Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

Then why the fuck are you not reading my posts where I explained to you why I asked that question?

I was on my phone. I missed a whole bunch of shit.

[CarbonFiber]

TAMMY: In the neighborhood last night, it was Desperado who was paranoid of you. F-16 had doubts in small bursts, but reread to reassure himself. That doesn't seem like he's "posturing against you", and I have no idea why he would posture against you in the first place as scum.

He literally said he knew I was scum and telling everyone in the neighborhood about it.

Okay, here's what actually happened in the neighborhood.

Desp said that you were scum setting us up. I kept insisting that you were town, that your play was town and that I would cry if you flipped scum.

But at some point, I realized that I had never played with scum-you and didn't know whether or not I'd be able to catch you because there's never been an instance of it in the past. So, I went and read Stacking the Deck of Power and saw your scumgame. I saw you and Tierce pushing mislynches and curbstomping your way to victory even after Nacho got Syryana lynched D1. It was at that point that the paranoia really intensified and I started to wonder if the scumteam were you, Nacho, PA, and AP. I jokingly said to Nacho "If you want to blow your cover today and go after my mislynch tomorrow, try it. And tell Tammy in the scum QT to do it as well." I wasn't actually serious but it was part of my imagination. And then, when you opened with a vote on me, I just fell apart completely.

I sort of fantasized about what a you/AP scumteam would do and figured that AP would push me and you would push BRO. It was still a part of my imagination.

[CarbonFiber]

Anyway, in case this bullshit goes somewhere

I'm milla maxwell a town determined warrior. I'm an anti-roleblocker. But I had to decide before the game started who I was going to attach myself to and I can't change it unless the person I chose first dies.

Guess who I chose? Guess you can't guess? Nacho is unroleblockable. That is why I started the game already paranoid about their slot and asked them to town themselves early. I thought that in a large there could be one of both and if I made scum unroleblockable I'd be screwing over town. The "I will stay with you" in my first post referred to that. I stay with the person and fight along their side.

If nacho dies, I can choose another person, and my action can't be roleblocked.

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And what the fucktin fuck. I didn't even see your meltdown until quite a bit later. I'm on my fucking phone and didn't read the million edits. You're screaming at me that I'm scum when you felt to me like you were setting me up. I do hope you're okay, and now that's going to sound insincere but when I read it I thought you were trying to imitate bro's meltdown. I'm sick as fuck and barely able to keep up with shit as it is.

Anyway, I don't care if people get mad at me claiming but whatever.

And falcon I said I would answer you when I got to a computer, which I didn't do because I'm still on my damn phone why wouldn't you just wait. Also if we are both town then we irrationally got it into our heads we'd push each other. And since I waffled on you like crazy in the neighborhood last night going from a I'd be surprised if you flipped scum to a maybe the scum team is nacho/falcon/pere/Orcinus to a yeah I'd be surprised if he flipped scum to a wait nacho might be town here's why to a hold on I think I do actually like my town tell for pere to a you know what the only thing I feel good about in this game is that ffery's town and if she dies I don't know what to do because it's the only thing I feel solid on. No I wasn't planning on pushing anyone but you put my back up with that question about the hammer and of anyone to try to make me look bad for that I didn't think it would be you and then I thought maybe penguin was right about her suspicions.

You are sort of describing how I felt in my neighborhood oscillating between telling Desp that I know your play well enough that this is very blatantly your towngame to thinking "could she actually be scum? I mean she's good at it and downplays it a lot and if she is, we're all fucked." I didn't "know" all along that you were scum, I just feared it and made connections that I shouldn't have made because I was thinking so much about this game and driving myself into a paranoid spiral I wasn't even thinking clearly.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Not really, no. The reason is largely selfish, but I've no doubt there are townspeople with age limitations to their PR's.

Also assuming all the scum have age limitations to their roles, they already have at most, 8 people in this game who they know are adult/child while those who are town have at most, two

Can you explain the bolded?

Assuming scum roles only work on one of kids/adults, the fact that they have fail/success during the past two nights would lead them to the conclusion of what age group their target belongs in. If each scum targeted different people (which is very likely) the past two nights, they would have age groups of 8 people (2X4=8) while townspeople with same limitation only have the age groups of those they targeted.

So you think all scum have targeting abilities?

[magenta_thegreat]

I want everyone to claim child/adult

Geriatrics have pretty fragile bones.

initial scumreads

AP, Mastin, Clayton, DV/Ceph

with mastin gone, I am unsure who teammember 4 would be, thoughts?

I had AP as scum earlier based on prohawk's posting, but then he claimed that weird cop role so IDK.

Arthur had DV/Ceph as scum on day one due to his buddying of me. They're someone I wanted to reread as day one when I started to think that rancid and mastin were town, I thought that scum were town reading me. DV usually scum reads me when he's scum or throws up fake paranoia, but they seem a little too sure that I'm town.

I'm paranoid of Penguin, but know part of her role is true because it's been confirmed. I don't want to go into that. That part makes me lean town. I don't know if Penguin!scum comes in so strong against Mastin upon replacement. Her reaction to her flip seemed a bit genuine.

I don't even know if I buy Falcon as scum. I just don't want to believe as scum he'd basically tell me knowing that I'm town that I've sucked this game, am deluded and can do better. I just don't think he'd go there. I just think that if he was scum, he'd know that when I say I'm lost I really mean that, and that he'd try to manipulate me in another way.

I don't know. I tossed around you guys being scum but I still liked Orci's interaction with me day one, so it's not something I feel good about. I worry about nacho but Bork's posting around and about Mastin looked town so I keep going back and forth. I worried about Pere but I do like my potential town tell for the quicktopic thing.

I just don't know. I'm hoping this weekend to see if I can make some sense out of things now that the question of Mastin is gone.

So, paranoia on our slot is based on our entrance, or?

thoughts on ffery/beli and Brian/ns? I think the latter has a chance of being scum

Pedit: I think it's possible with the amount of targeting abilities town seems to have, yes.

[CarbonFiber]

Make your full case on Tammy. Post it if you still believe in it by the time that it's over.

I don't. I am actually much more sure now. Sure enough that I've gotten rid of all the paranoia like a disease. At least now I feel good about my reads on Tammy, BRO-Desp, and Cupcake. I am not convinced that you are town though.

[Titan]

Not really, no. The reason is largely selfish, but I've no doubt there are townspeople with age limitations to their PR's. Also assuming all the scum have age limitations to their roles, they already have at most, 8 people in this game who they know are adult/child while those who are town have at most, two

I don't understand this.

I don't have any age limitations though.

I'm a female adult though. I've already claimed so I don't think it matters that I claim that too.

pedit: paranoia on your slot is concern that nacho was "bussing" at the end of day one by suddenly pushing the lynch onto you knowing that you could self-govern and would look town from it.

ffery's been my only one town read I've felt really good about.

Brian/ns - don't know. I don't know how to read Brian really. I've seen him look pretty town before but he makes those long quote wall posts and it's hard to get a read on him from that. I really don't remember anything he's said this game. I thought that notscience had a good start though. I wish he'd come back as I think I'd be able to read that slot better with him in it.

[CarbonFiber]

I -promised- myself Id do work and not look at this game, ugh.

Your hammer looked scummy.

Why did the hammer look scummy? You literally just pointed out to me that there were plenty of people off the wagon who would have done it when I asked about you. And you had lterally all Day to vote mastin who was reportedly your top suspect.

Also, someone is being ridiculously dead-pan about events in the thread and I think they are skyrocketing to my favorite lynch rather quickly.

I explained why I thought it was although I changed my mind now. As for voting, I'm just generally slow to vote. You'll have to deal with that.

Who are you referring to as "deadpan" about the events in thread?

[CarbonFiber]

I didn't ignore it. I read it. I worried you were being manipulated but didn't want to push it. I also worried you were scum doing the same thing for Bro as you did for Penguin in Wicked. I chose to try not to get overly paranoid about it. You have no understanding of my scum game if you think I, as scum, would ignore something like that. I, as town, get paranoid. I, as town, set things aside until I can make sense of them. I, as town, don't always address everything in thread.

PV's use of old meta when he had a perfectly good recent game to look at was and is bullshit. I didn't keep pushing PV, in fact, I even pointed out a reason I thought he was town. Did you ignore that?

Part of my read on Penguin comes from ffery declaring her town when she replaced in. I'm paranoid of Penguin and she knows I am. She's not a watcher though. What makes you think I'd recognize scum!Penguin anyway?

I ignored who? I don't know what to think about AP. Do you know how to get a clear read on AP? I don't. I didn't tunnel PV. I haven't tunneled anyone this damn game because I've been so freaking lost I don't know what's going on. I have one read I feel good about ONE. And that ONE just got confirmed so yay me the one thing I felt good about was right. I'm AWESOME!

But thank you very much for trashing my town game. I may not be on point this game but I couldn't be more town. I am trying to figure you out but it's kinda difficult when you're declaring a very town me is SCUMOHIKNEWITKNEWITKNEWITKNEWIT WHEN I'M FUCKING NOT.

Okay, a few things:

1) I disagree with Ffery's declaration of Penguin town for a couple of reasons: Penguin told me that she was trying to improve her scumgame and that the wall I wrote in Wicked gave her a lot of information about how she appears to an outside perspective. For instance, I point out that she pushes lynches harder and with more conviction as town. Most of what I wrote about her was genuine. That's why I felt that her push on Mastin was playing specifically to subvert that meta because it was overdone and it was too much. It felt unnatural. Her response to me about BRO was also hedgy and exactly the sort of things I look for in scum-Penguin.

2) I have AP as a clear scumread. For whatever reason, it became more clearer after Mastin and Rancid flipping town. They wanted AP's blood pretty badly and I think Mastin was right about him.

3) Worrying about me manipulating BRO was fair enough since it is analogous to my wall on Penguin. What I hoped for was you to work with me on a read that I was very, very certain about.

[CarbonFiber]

I KNEW IT. YOU WERE SETTING ME UP WITH MASTIN BEIONG TIWN OI CANT PTYUEPOE ATGF AT FTYPE PROPERLYT

How was I setting you up for Mastin being town again?

Also are you really calling me scum because I didn't rush in here and ask if you're all right? Didn't Pie use this accusation against Mastin already. He didn't appropriately respond to Bro's meltdown and therefore was scum.

Also, in the next post you repeatedly say "fuck you". You should go read the Reckoning and see how well I respond to people going fuck you when I haven't even done anything. I'm pretty sure that when mollie said she needed a break because of something, I told her fat chance for the way she'd talked to me, so yeah.

I did follow the Reckoning and I am sorry for saying "fuck you." I was stressed in real life and I had exams coming up and I was mostly unprepared for them and the pressure was building up. It just happened at a really bad time.

Nothing that happened earlier is your fault. All you did was vote for me which is to be expected in any mafia game. I am sorry I freaked out like I did. I don't even know at this point if it was based purely on in game events or if I was just so stressed, I completely freaked upon seeing a vote on me. I should not have taken it out on you. I am also sorry about trashing your pushes. My play here was if anything even worse. I don't think I've ever played a game this badly before and I most certainly shouldn't have said that you voting me was the cause of it because I imagined all this crap about how you and Nacho would unleash hell today and then I look back and see what you did, and it was, was a simple vote!

[Titan]

TAMMY: In the neighborhood last night, it was Desperado who was paranoid of you. F-16 had doubts in small bursts, but reread to reassure himself. That doesn't seem like he's "posturing against you", and I have no idea why he would posture against you in the first place as scum.

He literally said he knew I was scum and telling everyone in the neighborhood about it.

Okay, here's what actually happened in the neighborhood.

Desp said that you were scum setting us up. I kept insisting that you were town, that your play was town and that I would cry if you flipped scum.

But at some point, I realized that I had never played with scum-you and didn't know whether or not I'd be able to catch you because there's never been an instance of it in the past. So, I went and read Stacking the Deck of Power and saw your scumgame. I saw you and Tierce pushing mislynches and curbstomping your way to victory even after Nacho got Syryana lynched D1. It was at that point that the paranoia really intensified and I started to wonder if the scumteam were you, Nacho, PA, and AP. I jokingly said to Nacho "If you want to blow your cover today and go after my mislynch tomorrow, try it. And tell Tammy in the scum QT to do it as well." I wasn't actually serious but it was part of my imagination. And then, when you opened with a vote on me, I just fell apart completely.

I sort of fantasized about what a you/AP scumteam would do and figured that AP would push me and you would push BRO. It was still a part of my imagination.

See this is where I just can't see a town des. Why was he, at the same time that he was so damn convinced that Mastin was scum that he wouldn't do anything else, also saying I was setting him up in the case of a town flip. Like I never said anything of the sort. I've been paranoid of that slot the entire game. He also said ffery was setting him up while ffery was calling him a bet the farm town read. That makes no sense to me. I just don't see how anyone looks at my play and goes oh setting someone up in case of that person flipping town. I'm trying to even think of a time when I "set someone up" as scum considering my scum game contains little to no planning at all. I just don't think that way as scum. I don't plan ahead for how I'm going to do things. I think the only time I can even think of a time that comes close is maybe when I preemptively tried to draw a link to syryana and someone else for avoiding a lynch on scum but I'd have to even go back to that game and see if I did that. I mean even in Stacking the Deck I didn't plan on busing syryana. I literally could have saved him after he claimed, but decided nah let's bus because in that moment it felt like the right thing to do. I still don't know if it was, but we won anyway so whatever.

I'm really really trying to see what you see in des/bro but all I see from there is manipulation.

[Titan]

You are sort of describing how I felt in my neighborhood oscillating between telling Desp that I know your play well enough that this is very blatantly your towngame to thinking "could she actually be scum? I mean she's good at it and downplays it a lot and if she is, we're all fucked." I didn't "know" all along that you were scum, I just feared it and made connections that I shouldn't have made because I was thinking so much about this game and driving myself into a paranoid spiral I wasn't even thinking clearly.

That's definitely how I've been thinking about you this game. I don't know what you see in my scum game though that makes you think it's good, but thank you.

[CarbonFiber]

You are literally going from Tammy is my A+ town read will throw my laptop out the window if I'm wrong to I'm scum over night and you can't for one second understand that I might be paranoid about you when I've been talking about me being paranoid about you. You even responded to ffery yesterday that I had reason to not call you 100% town, so I really don't get this at all.

You think that Nacho told me to attack you in our scum qt and I did. Are you serious?

Like this doesn't even make sense and doesn't even flow with how I play scum. If you're mind is a blank on why i'm scum it's probably because I'm not.

I think the part you missed was me defending you in the neighborhood and then going full on paranoia mode.

What I last said in the neighborhood and what I was thinking to myself (I am paraphrasing): AP and Penguin are very likely scum. I don't see Tammy as scum. I don't understand the hammer but I am just going to talk to her about it and she'll have a good explanation for it and it'll work out fine because we can communicate with each other well.

What I said just before the day ended: "Go on Nacho, scumclaim to me by pushing me and tell Tammy to do is as well! I'll bring out my sword and shield and die fighting you." This last part was partly in jest obviously but I hope that explains why I reacted to your vote the way I did. It is not your fault and it is on me and you didn't have to ask if I was okay while I was being rude to you, but it was in the heat of the moment and other stuff going on with me. But this is on me.

[CarbonFiber]

I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

This is fucking bullshit by the way.

And I do believe you'd set me up. I watched what you did to Mina in wicked. a REMEMBER?

You also watched him experiencing a ton of trepidation and me being like "it's okay, she's not actually that town"? Why do you think all of his meta cases landed on him not being sure about her alignment?

But he pushed her, mocked her and attacked her playstyle.

I didn't mock her. I called her "waffles" because she named that as her hydra name and I didn't think it would offend her. I said this in game as well and when I realized she didn't like it, I dropped it. My attacks on her playstyle were lies. I actually liked her playstyle a lot.

[Titan]

I didn't ignore it. I read it. I worried you were being manipulated but didn't want to push it. I also worried you were scum doing the same thing for Bro as you did for Penguin in Wicked. I chose to try not to get overly paranoid about it. You have no understanding of my scum game if you think I, as scum, would ignore something like that. I, as town, get paranoid. I, as town, set things aside until I can make sense of them. I, as town, don't always address everything in thread.

PV's use of old meta when he had a perfectly good recent game to look at was and is bullshit. I didn't keep pushing PV, in fact, I even pointed out a reason I thought he was town. Did you ignore that?

Part of my read on Penguin comes from ffery declaring her town when she replaced in. I'm paranoid of Penguin and she knows I am. She's not a watcher though. What makes you think I'd recognize scum!Penguin anyway?

I ignored who? I don't know what to think about AP. Do you know how to get a clear read on AP? I don't. I didn't tunnel PV. I haven't tunneled anyone this damn game because I've been so freaking lost I don't know what's going on. I have one read I feel good about ONE. And that ONE just got confirmed so yay me the one thing I felt good about was right. I'm AWESOME!

But thank you very much for trashing my town game. I may not be on point this game but I couldn't be more town. I am trying to figure you out but it's kinda difficult when you're declaring a very town me is SCUMOHIKNEWITKNEWITKNEWITKNEWIT WHEN I'M FUCKING NOT.

Okay, a few things:

1) I disagree with Ffery's declaration of Penguin town for a couple of reasons: Penguin told me that she was trying to improve her scumgame and that the wall I wrote in Wicked gave her a lot of information about how she appears to an outside perspective. For instance, I point out that she pushes lynches harder and with more conviction as town. Most of what I wrote about her was genuine. That's why I felt that her push on Mastin was playing specifically to subvert that meta because it was overdone and it was too much. It felt unnatural. Her response to me about BRO was also hedgy and exactly the sort of things I look for in scum-Penguin.

2) I have AP as a clear scumread. For whatever reason, it became more clearer after Mastin and Rancid flipping town. They wanted AP's blood pretty badly and I think Mastin was right about him.

3) Worrying about me manipulating BRO was fair enough since it is analogous to my wall on Penguin. What I hoped for was you to work with me on a read that I was very, very certain about.

1.) We'll have to talk about Penguin later. My head is pounding and my medicine will be kicking in soon and then I'll be out. And I still want to chat in the neighborhood before I do.

2.) Well I still don't know about AP but it's possible we won't have to wait much longer if Katsuki has role results on him? It would be awesome if he was scum as that would mean that at least one of my day one scum reads was right.

3.) I just don't know that I can give that to you. I don't see what you see. I'm not in the neighborhood and their play just doesn't seem genuine to me.

[Titan]

We named our hydra that because we waffled on our hydra name for something like two weeks. Everyone was giving us playstyle quirk names for our hydra and we almost named ourselves treestump because of how slow we are to vote. We ended up naming our hydra waffles because that's the name sleepykrew gave to my cat after I went for a month or so deciding what to name him. It's why our avatar is my cat.

[Titan]

I KNEW IT. YOU WERE SETTING ME UP WITH MASTIN BEIONG TIWN OI CANT PTYUEPOE ATGF AT FTYPE PROPERLYT

How was I setting you up for Mastin being town again?

Also are you really calling me scum because I didn't rush in here and ask if you're all right? Didn't Pie use this accusation against Mastin already. He didn't appropriately respond to Bro's meltdown and therefore was scum.

Also, in the next post you repeatedly say "fuck you". You should go read the Reckoning and see how well I respond to people going fuck you when I haven't even done anything. I'm pretty sure that when mollie said she needed a break because of something, I told her fat chance for the way she'd talked to me, so yeah.

I did follow the Reckoning and I am sorry for saying "fuck you." I was stressed in real life and I had exams coming up and I was mostly unprepared for them and the pressure was building up. It just happened at a really bad time.

Nothing that happened earlier is your fault. All you did was vote for me which is to be expected in any mafia game. I am sorry I freaked out like I did. I don't even know at this point if it was based purely on in game events or if I was just so stressed, I completely freaked upon seeing a vote on me. I should not have taken it out on you. I am also sorry about trashing your pushes. My play here was if anything even worse. I don't think I've ever played a game this badly before and I most certainly shouldn't have said that you voting me was the cause of it because I imagined all this crap about how you and Nacho would unleash hell today and then I look back and see what you did, and it was, was a simple vote!

I'm sorry for flicking you off!

I hope your finals go well.

[CarbonFiber]

I'm pretty damn town though and was from the start? You say you KNEW I was scum all along but then in an earlier post you say that us misreading each other is a scum claim.

Are you sure you want to stand by me being scum?

Thank you for the compliment on my scum game. I don't think it's spectacular at all, but I appreciate it. But, if you have paid attention to my scum game, you should see that when I'm at my best I'm actually trying to get town cred. A scum me would have loved to keep Mastin around. A scum me would have had a solid read on that. You only have to look at Red Wedding to see how a scum me championed Metal Sonic against my partner Generic. The noise was delicious, I took a side, and tried to get my partner lynched in the process because I would have had metal sonic on my side and would have looked good while doing it. That's how I treat noise and a volatile situation as scum. Maybe I wouldn't always bus my partner, but it would be easy to take a stand instead of waffle about the player for 200 fucking pages. And since town reads are what typically come easiest to me it wouldn't even be out of the ordinary for me to town read him. And I mean geeze how you can't see I was conflicted about his and rancid's alignment is just astounding.

I guess my issue was that we weren't on the same page. You were waffling on Mastin while I was certain. I think based on past experience, I expected you to have similar reads to me. Like in NY169, we were both scumreading MC Maraca even while we were wrong. In PYP, we were both scumreading KK, Iam, and GM, while townreading nearly everyone else. Some of the slight twinges of paranoia came from the fact that I thought we'd see the game similarly.

I mentioned before in this game how we weren't seeing it identically. So far, the only explanation I have for us not having similar reads is that my perspective is different. I formed townreads on my two neighborhood buddies and extrapolated from there. I pushed Mastin with complete confidence because Pie was also pushing him and everything he said struck me at a very relatable level. I pushed Mastin and RBD as hard as I did because I never once questioned BRO's alignment. When BRO pushed them, I took his word as the word of confirmed town. You didn't, and you questioned his alignment making you far more unsure of the pushes that BRO and Pie were making. That's part of the reason I didn't have absolute certainty that you were town like I did in PYP, NY169, and Z-mafia and also in the older games we played. I had different touchstones. You had Ffery. I had Pie, Desp, and BRO.

And yeah, I can see now why you would fluctuate on Mastin and Rancid. Rancid for whatever reason did not make it easy to townread them by being overly aggressive and hostile. Mastin, I just misread because his posts came across as manipulative which kinda sucks.

[CarbonFiber]

Quite frankly when you unvoted Mastin at the end of the day, it looked suspicious to me after Mastin flipped town. I thought you were trying to demonstrate fake uncertainty on the lynch you'd been pushing the entire time and that you decided that actually the noise would be more beneficial to have around than lose.

I never voted or unvoted Mastin actually. If you are referring to my saying that we should lynch AP, then yeah that was me wondering if Mastin was genuinely town that caught AP.

[CarbonFiber]

I want everyone to claim child/adult

Geriatrics have pretty fragile bones.

initial scumreads

AP, Mastin, Clayton, DV/Ceph

with mastin gone, I am unsure who teammember 4 would be, thoughts?

Weren't you saying I was scum just a few pages ago towards the end of D1?

Also, with your massclaim idea, I don't know. If you really think it will help, then sure I'll claim.

[Titan]

Quite frankly when you unvoted Mastin at the end of the day, it looked suspicious to me after Mastin flipped town. I thought you were trying to demonstrate fake uncertainty on the lynch you'd been pushing the entire time and that you decided that actually the noise would be more beneficial to have around than lose.

I never voted or unvoted Mastin actually. If you are referring to my saying that we should lynch AP, then yeah that was me wondering if Mastin was genuinely town that caught AP.

I thought you were on the wagon and unvoted.

I'll respond to the other post about how were viewing the game tomorrow. My head feels likes it's going to explode and in about five minutes I'm going to be babbling nonsense. Hopefully it knocks me out.

[magenta_thegreat]

yeah, you were but you don't make a whole lot of sense with Clayton/AP.

[CarbonFiber]

I'm sorry for flicking you off!

I hope your finals go well.

Thanks. I'll find a few minutes here and there to study in between mafia

[penguin_alien]

Damn it, I've probably entirely lost people's willingness to listen to me after my botched mastin read, but please hear me out anyways.

This is F-16 scum. I was debating it overnight with Tammy, but him coming in here and going way over the top freaking out when she accused him of being scum is so very evocative of scum-F-16 from Micro 264: Resistance Mafia. I thought he was scummy and he went way overboard on calling me scum. Like, citing ridiculous things, pushing me past all rationality.

Reading through today's posts, I also really hate that he's basically repeating the same events we've already seen. Have a 'meltdown' on a necessarily accelerated timetable, claim that only scum wouldn't react sympathetically. Heaven forbid I accuse anyone of a lack of sincerity, but there's a difference between BRO being under pressure for days and cracking and F-16 being voted by one player who he supposedly didn't read as 100% town anyways and becoming incapable of typing.

Also, LMAO that I'm scum for pushing the mastin lynch. That he spent the whole fucking game pushing. Without voting. I have no words. Not polite ones at any rate. And amused as hell that he thinks I'm scum for being too towny. The contortions there, they amaze.

BRO, I know I don't read you well. That doesn't mean I'm not going to try, especially when my almost certainly town neighbor is requesting that I do so. I realize I misread you in Wicked, but as far as I can tell you're not trying to draw the scum read here, thank heaven, so that part's out. I could be wrong. This could be more of me having trouble thinking badly of people when there's some type of history there or a feeling that they don't think I'm an idiot. But I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and try not to let paranoia take over. I really really really like that you talked about doing VCA today, given that your VCA in Street Racers hit the overwhelming majority of the scum team. I also think that scum-you would have had your bad period, seen that people were backing off, and taken advantage of that somehow. I can see town-you just washing your hands of the whole thing for a bit. I've told Tammy what I'll be looking for going forward, so we'll see what happens.

Tammy-wise, I can confirm that that's what she claimed to me. I've also now effectively fullclaimed to her, and no, I'm not a Watcher. Clyton made some interesting moves, but unfortunately I'm disinclined to continue deceiving town even for their own good. I will not be claiming in-thread. If Tammy wants to out my role, that's her prerogative.

Other reads so far: magenta coming in and trying to sidetrack the discussion into the adult-child question was bad. Role-wise I don't know how a governor --> cagefight maker works for scum, but the nonchalance pinged.

AP feels oddly detached. The soft push on the claimed vig isn't great, but if he actually wants to work with BRO that might be a decent sign. Street Racers was on and off in his willingness to work with BRO, so I'll be watching how that develops. I didn't have a good sense of him in 172, and he kept trying to steer me there. I don't trust him putting ffery in as a cop choice, and I also have to give some credence to mastin's read on him post-town flip. Waiting to be wowed.

I want to see Nacho do more than play wise mediator for Tammy-CF. I'm particularly interested to see what he does with me (yes, self-centered, deal with it) given how he played me in Wicked. I also can't remember my last game with town-Nacho (NY 164?), but I know that scum-Nacho always takes me a while to find and then I doubt myself horribly (HP: CoS, X-Men)

I remember nothing from RG or F&H. That can change any time, please and thank you.

Current reads:

Town: BWS, Tammy, PV (for claim; I'm assuming we'll get an explanation for the lack of shot timing issue)
Lean town: JSU, Cupcake (pending where he's going with all this capsrage)
Null: RG, F&H
Lean scum: magenta, AP, Nacho
Scum: CF

Y'all apparently wiped out Tammy for the night, and I want to talk to her more about stuff before deciding where to vote.

[CarbonFiber]

Penguin, I explained why I reacted the way I did. My push on you in ETL's resistance didn't make any sort of sense whatsoever and I said that part of the reason for the push was to confuse people and create chaos.

I make "over-the-top" pushes as town too. Did you already forget the "tragic penguin pictures" from Cowardly Hider?

I explained why I freaked out over one vote because I was paranoid that it was part of a larger scum plan. I legitimately have finals and am really, really behind and that's making me irritable and prickly overall because I'm playing this game as I watch more time fly by instead of studying.

It feels like you suddenly reacted to me accusing you by pushing back on me. What scum motivation is there to accuse you when I learned from ETL's Resistance that you would prevail? I respect your abilities and if you are town in a game where I am scum, I target my game towards you and try my best to fool you because that's what works. Going after you never did and I wouldn't expect it to. I am not Mastin and the way I view you when I am scum couldn't be more different.