Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm really really trying to see what you see in des/bro but all I see from there is manipulation.

I have really mixed thoughts about BRO. And I am still really REALLY concerned about his interactions with me. Its like good-cop, bad-cop. BROseidon shows up to remind me at regular intervals that he was the only one to townread me correctly and than I should sheep him. Desperado apparently thinks Im scummy and I dont really hear much of that directly, but Im still fucking baffled at their angle this game. Im deeply concerned that BRO is just trying to aggressively buddy me, although I have a reason for thinking he wouldnt quite go as far as he did at one point as scum, but fuck. I know I thought similar thoughts about Iecerint in mykonian's bastard cult game and he was actually just scum the whole time and doing something similar. So BRO to be scum would almost have to be cashing in all of his future trust and goodwill cards that he could possibly play. Like he'd be burning them. But I know I burned all my trust cards as scum since back in Legends of the Hidden Temple >.>, but Im not actually sane or rational like BRO tends to be.

So this looks lie ka waffle and it is. The tl;dr is Im not ruling out BRO scum, but I will be fairly stunned if it is. And I really want more activity from those two clownfucks so I can actually be sure about this read cause I get the crippling doubt that they are ablindspot in my reads.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

This is not making any sense to me.

Why would scum roles only work on one of adults/kids? And why not mention beasts? Annnd, you are using this as a justification for a massclaim of flavor. Why do you even care?

So you think the flavor info is irrelevant to game mechanics? Even though CF's ability is a flavor-based mechanic?

Ever since RG claimed he also was blocked last night, I've wondered if actions succeed or fail based on at least a partial match of flavor attributes. It could be something breakable in the design but I doubt it because lolcabdgame. I would expect it to harm town as much as help to put it all on the table just yet.

[AngryPidgeon]

I tend to doubt that roles would secretly fail on certain characters without it being made explicit in a role PM, but fuck if I know.

I don't understand your question. Obviously CF's ability is confirmed to be flavor based. I dont see why Magenta is on a crusade for flavor full claims when they are a claimed VT at this juncture. And on top of that she is spending her time justifying the massclaim by pointing out that scum may already have the info (or most of it) rather than justifying why she wants the claim in the first place.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP feels oddly detached. The soft push on the claimed vig isn't great, but if he actually wants to work with BRO that might be a decent sign. Street Racers was on and off in his willingness to work with BRO, so I'll be watching how that develops. I didn't have a good sense of him in 172, and he kept trying to steer me there. I don't trust him putting ffery in as a cop choice, and I also have to give some credence to mastin's read on him post-town flip. Waiting to be wowed.

How do I feel detached? Since when is not immediately trusting a vig claim scummy? PV said something that doesn't make sense "I didnt shoot cause I was waiting for RBD to flip" and I questioned him on it. Then he fullclaims on the spot today for no discernible reason. I'll give you that vig claims are generally town, but the janitor aspect of his role + him strongarming the mastin lynch while RBD was unflipped feels divey. There is no reason why PV can't clarify the sketchy part of his role (the Janitoring part) for me while in the meantime I dont try to break a game on claims and flavor like everyone else seems determined to do .

What exactly are you looking for with me/BRO? I generally work with whoever I want, and I know Ive upset/annoyed players before by explicitly NOT working with 'old favorites' cause I often do better when Im interacting with new people instead. Im not sure how me reaching out to BOR is alignment indicative at all this game. Why is ffery a bad investigate choice? Stalin was under pressure from DESPBRO, CF, Mastin, Cupcake, and others? yesterday and I was a little worried about them near the end. They were a perfectly valid investigate choice (although I do admit I feel sill in hindsight). How much of this game have you actually read?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

i'm not thinking anything. was curious about you

i'm still sitting at mastin scum, and i have another scumread i'm keeping my eyes on for now

clyton hasn't been on my mind at all

Who's the other scumread? And do you have any solid townreads?

if i thought that the best course of action would be to tell you the other scumread, don't you think that i wouldn't have bothered to hide it in my last post?

if tammy is scum this game i'll eat myself

fery's as town as i'll ever have her

i still like nacho and bork based off d1

nacho/Mastinssk/Pigey/Carbonfiber

scumteam 2014

What changed your mind about nacho between these two posts?

[PeregrineV]

Dang, I was hoping for a scumflip.

I am Yuri Lowell, Town Lone Wolf (modified vig), Tales of Vesperia (you can guess the modification). I didn't shoot last night because I wanted to see Rancid's flip. I shot him night1 because he was total scum (even if he flipped green).

Going home, but want that out there for discussion. I'll try to check in tonight.

Were you not on the site sometime after the RBD flip happened but before deadline? Or did Cabd tell you you couldn't wait for it and still submit a shot?

I saw the flip about 30 minutes after 5104 went up.
I didn't expect the flip until daystart, so my ideas for targets are only half-formed as of right now.

Elaborate on what you knew/know about the Janitoring aspect of your role. You are claiming that you were responsible for the janitoring, right?

That's my modification. Target flips the next night (apparently at the end of the night, not the beginning). Janitored flip does not change the actual flip in terms of numbers, etc.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Sample Role PMs:

Welcome, Yulia Jue, to Tales of You

You are a Town-Aligned Mod.

By Lorelei!

Your power to communicate with the 7th fonon itself gives you immense powers. As such, you know everything and can see everything. I suppose you ought to help the others out by guiding them down the path of fate, hmm?

Adult

For all abilities dependent upon Age, you are classified as an adult.

Female

For all abilities dependent upon Gender, you are classified as a female.

From Abyss

As a character from Tales of the Abyss, for all abilities that are dependent upon Game, you are classified as a citizen of Auldrant

Welcome, Yulia Jue, to Tales of You

You are a Mafia-Aligned Mod.

By Lorelei!

Your power to communicate with the 7th fonon itself gives you immense powers. As such, you know everything and can see everything. I suppose you ought to help the others out by guiding them down the path of fate, hmm?

Replica

As a replica, you are aligned with the mafia team, consisting of: X Y Z A and may speak with your team at any time in this QT: NOPENOLINKFORYOU Additional information is contained in the first post, please be sure to read it carefully.

Adult

For all abilities dependent upon Age, you are classified as an adult.

Female

For all abilities dependent upon Gender, you are classified as a female.

From Abyss

As a character from Tales of the Abyss, for all abilities that are dependent upon Game, you are classified as a citizen of Auldrant

@AP How do you interpret the sample role PM then?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Magenta- Orcinus

[AngryPidgeon]

Your over the top push on Tammy comes from nothing reasonable I can see. And I did what you asked overnight and read through your ISO. Part of what I discussed with Tammy was that I wasn't seeing strong town-you in it, so while I can maybe see that my read on you comes out of thin air, rest assured that it's been building for the last couple of days.

I remember your tragic penguin pics (my soul hasn't recovered, TYVM) but even there you had an agenda with being OTT, like you did in Resistance. Trouble is I don't see the town agenda here for flipping out on Tammy. I'd say it's emotional, except let's face it, neither of your past OTT responses have been anything other than strategic, either trying to paint me as scum or figure out if I'm scum.

What are these penguin pics?

What do you feel about CF dropping his tammy suspicion at the drop of a hat and what do you look for in Town CF that isn't here? I am serious about hoping to do a peaceful reread of this mess, but I like your CF pressure.

I hope I am wrong and that you are town too. It's what I would like. Clyton's post where he claimed watcher was a trigger that almost confirmed to me that the slot was scum after seeing Mastin flip town. I don't know why he claim it but in light of you saying it was fake, I'll think about it.

WTF. Why would a watcher claim make Clyton scummy to you. And why would an un-claim make you like the slot more. Its like when RBD unclaimed miller and they were clearly scum for that...except not this time.

This whole Day feels like I'm playing Mafia in Bizzaro Universe. On hallucinogenic drugs.

I'll drink to that; 'til I get fat. (and until this game starts making sense).

Talk to me about Penguin though. I have much stronger opinions there.

Since when? I thought I was your #1 undesirable still?

Scum (Strongest->Weakest):

10 AngryPidgeon
11 Penguin_alien

Did you follow NY 172?

Im pretty concerned that neither you nor DV bothered to listen to my point about mastin's play in that game compared to here. I'd probably say its scummy of you 2, but I know you are confirmed so whatever I guess. Still extremely annoyed that no one gave a shit about me waiting to out this.

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response to DV separate if I have one, I see they posted a wall.

[AngryPidgeon]

@AP How do you interpret the sample role PM then?

No I fully understand that there are classifications of flavor and that people have explicitly claimed role interactions dependent on it.

RBD said their gladiate worked differently depending on age. CF's ability works off of game flavor. Im saying I expect people to be AWARE of oddities with their role in their ROLE PM like RBD evidently was.

My role does not say anything about age mattering so I'd find it to be a little bastard if my role failed on certain people for no real reason.

[PeregrineV]

I was eagerly waiting for the day to start.

First off, sorry Mastin and Rancid if you are watching from the dead thread. My read on both of you guys was absolute crap. I know you probably hate me but I'll do the best to make it up to you and I want you to be able to chalk up another win. Mastin especially. You did everything you could. You left no stone unturned in trying to communicate with the town. More at endgame.

I have a few thoughts but I want answers to the following questions first:

AngryPidgeon, who did you investigate today and what were your results?

Penguin_Alien, we need to talk. It'll be awesome if you can provide your reads and catchup with the game. I want to hear your updated reads on everyone in the game, especially AP.

Tammy, why did you hammer AP so quickly when there were still a couple of days to deadline. It seems unlike you to vote before utilizing every second of the deadline clock. You waffled and waffled and waffled on Mastin and when he was brought to L-1, you checked with Breakfast, wanted the hammer, and hammered instantly. I want to see where you are coming from here.

It's nice to know my one and only certain town read is town, and not dead so thank iomedae for that!

So, you guys gonna come out of the neighborhood now and stop circle jerking about how right you are. I still feel like there's scum in that neighborhood.

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro
M my des/bro bloodthirst so it's up t you boys. Do something!

VOTE: carbon fiber

I'll answer you when I'm at my computer.

Also, I strongly suspect Nacho to be scum.

Pie and I talked a lot in the neighborhood. We discussed reads, commiserated about our horribad reads on Mastin and Rancid, bounced thoughts off of each other about all living players and made some progress on solving the game. I even told Pie it was like having a faux-hydra partner as long as FourTrouble had been checked out. Speaking of which, he says he will be back soon now that his finals are over.

I suspect that someone in the neighborhood knew this and wanted to eliminate Pie because he was so useful to the town. And that someone I strongly believe is Nacho.

I asked Nacho for his reads and he sort of ignored me while responding to other non game relevant stuff (me apologizing to him for bringing up Touhou as well as venting at him) but he didn't respond to my questions about reads.

Speaking of which, ffery, you were right about Rancid all along! I should have listened to you on them.

@Tammy

- this does look like a freakout on both of your parts. He makes statments and asks questions to three people.

You complain (AGAIN!) about their neighborhood existing and how they need to get out of it, while chewing my ass yesterday for THE EXACT SAME THING (me: "Hey Tammy, what's going on in that neighborhood of yours?" you:"SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!") and then think Carbon is scum for asking you a question?
And since the above was a question too, I expect another freak-out. Kind of mandatory at this point.
And, Carbon has been spewing neighborhood summaries right and left. So and so said this, I said that, they said that, they said nothing. And you are again (AGAIN!) pushing the "secret" neighborhood play of those within it.
You have yet to compare his summaries with Just Sheep Us or Nacho or Carbon or Yggrda's in-thread play to point out anything different.
This looks like scum paranoia on your part.

[PeregrineV]

@Angry-

You just finished 172 as scum with ThAd the scum ascetic. Why are you acting so clueless yesterday when Kagura/Nacho said that "no result" matches his information?
And now that game is over, have you mentioned it all as the possible reason for your result? Or at all?

[Titan]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

[PeregrineV]

@Breakfast-

As noted above, 172 just finished.

Check out this ISO of one of your heads.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41158

Now, using as many words as possible, explain how you were unable to secure any reads day1 and day2.

[PeregrineV]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

Yes, I am astounding.

You may answer the question.

My investigations this game are lethal (and delayed), but you are definitely on the short list.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Im pretty concerned that neither you nor DV bothered to listen to my point about mastin's play in that game compared to here. I'd probably say its scummy of you 2, but I know you are confirmed so whatever I guess. Still extremely annoyed that no one gave a shit about me waiting to out this.

I don't claim to be able to read Mastin accurately, and my Mastin read was if anything more based on our interactions in L4D than NY 172. This game was the 2nd where Mastin grossly misread me. And the first time it was a fabricated read. And just like in L4D it felt like she was making sweeping and totally incorrect statements about my play and my meta. I was on pins and needles for L4D to end so I could refer to it in this game. And I would have liked to have talked to you about the parallels and differences I saw in her attack on me in that game.

I brought 172 up because of Penguin's play in that game.

[Titan]

Yes, that is me dismissing you because quite frankly what little toleration I had left after board games was burnt to toast after seeing you plummet to the deths of fake claiming a fucking guilty as town in a game.

VIG ME FOR IT.

[Just Sheep Us]

we are also aware of which situations our role will fail in

mastin was scummy in house party and then she pushed the coug wagon through because he couldn't produce the right flavor quick enough. i don't even come close to regretting that and i don't understand why that game should automatically prevent me from pushing her in this game.

bro thinks this f-16 push sucks because f-16 scum would have had to have known that rbd wasn't actually a miller.

vote: magenta_thegreat

[Titan]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

Yes, I am astounding.

You may answer the question.

My investigations this game are lethal (and delayed), but you are definitely on the short list.

Nope I'm not going to answe your questions.

VIG ME.

[PeregrineV]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

Yes, I am astounding.

You may answer the question.

My investigations this game are lethal (and delayed), but you are definitely on the short list.

Nope I'm not going to answe your questions.

VIG ME.

OK.

[PeregrineV]

we are also aware of which situations our role will fail in

mastin was scummy in house party and then she pushed the coug wagon through because he couldn't produce the right flavor quick enough. i don't even come close to regretting that and i don't understand why that game should automatically prevent me from pushing her in this game.

bro thinks this f-16 push sucks because f-16 scum would have had to have known that rbd wasn't actually a miller.

vote: magenta_thegreat

You are also being pushed 3 ways from Sunday. Why is that?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

@Breakfast-

As noted above, 172 just finished.

Check out this ISO of one of your heads.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41158

Now, using as many words as possible, explain how you were unable to secure any reads day1 and day2.

Nope. Not going to indulge you. Replacing into a 120 page game is nothing like living a game from the start of day 1. My objectivity as a replacement is one of the strong points in my replacement games. I lack that in from-the-start games.

The way I catch up varies from replace-in to replace-in, and as I said at the end of that game I had initially planned to do a Magua style not-reading-shit replacement, but the compulsive vig role precluded that.

[Titan]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

Yes, I am astounding.

You may answer the question.

My investigations this game are lethal (and delayed), but you are definitely on the short list.

Nope I'm not going to answe your questions.

VIG ME.

OK.

thank you!

[AngryPidgeon]

@Angry-

You just finished 172 as scum with ThAd the scum ascetic. Why are you acting so clueless yesterday when Kagura/Nacho said that "no result" matches his information?
And now that game is over, have you mentioned it all as the possible reason for your result? Or at all?

Lolz. I actually was worried about Nacho being an ascetic/commuter of some sort and said as much at some point on Day 2. I could fish up the quote, but I really dont want to dive through the depths of my ISO right now. I had a working theory that I was allowed to investigate Nacho cause scum no my role would bounce off of him or something. Of course its possible that I really was blocked. Apparently there are potentially multiple roleblocks going around and nobody else was claiming to have had their role behave oddly yesterday so its totally possible I was just blocked and Nacho is a red herring. I tried to clarify with him at the end of Yesterday about some of the shit Bork said, but Nacho was being evasive. Made me wonder if he was actually a hider or something (oops did I just say that) but fuck if I know. I could waffle about spec about my role forever so Id rather just read him off play which Im still digesting. His and PA's push on mastin felt more genuine than some of the others to me.

[Just Sheep Us]

You are also being pushed 3 ways from Sunday. Why is that?

because scum have mislynches to secure??