Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

I was eagerly waiting for the day to start.

First off, sorry Mastin and Rancid if you are watching from the dead thread. My read on both of you guys was absolute crap. I know you probably hate me but I'll do the best to make it up to you and I want you to be able to chalk up another win. Mastin especially. You did everything you could. You left no stone unturned in trying to communicate with the town. More at endgame.

I have a few thoughts but I want answers to the following questions first:

AngryPidgeon, who did you investigate today and what were your results?

Penguin_Alien, we need to talk. It'll be awesome if you can provide your reads and catchup with the game. I want to hear your updated reads on everyone in the game, especially AP.

Tammy, why did you hammer AP so quickly when there were still a couple of days to deadline. It seems unlike you to vote before utilizing every second of the deadline clock. You waffled and waffled and waffled on Mastin and when he was brought to L-1, you checked with Breakfast, wanted the hammer, and hammered instantly. I want to see where you are coming from here.

It's nice to know my one and only certain town read is town, and not dead so thank iomedae for that!

So, you guys gonna come out of the neighborhood now and stop circle jerking about how right you are. I still feel like there's scum in that neighborhood.

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro
M my des/bro bloodthirst so it's up t you boys. Do something!

VOTE: carbon fiber

I'll answer you when I'm at my computer.

Also, I strongly suspect Nacho to be scum.

Pie and I talked a lot in the neighborhood. We discussed reads, commiserated about our horribad reads on Mastin and Rancid, bounced thoughts off of each other about all living players and made some progress on solving the game. I even told Pie it was like having a faux-hydra partner as long as FourTrouble had been checked out. Speaking of which, he says he will be back soon now that his finals are over.

I suspect that someone in the neighborhood knew this and wanted to eliminate Pie because he was so useful to the town. And that someone I strongly believe is Nacho.

I asked Nacho for his reads and he sort of ignored me while responding to other non game relevant stuff (me apologizing to him for bringing up Touhou as well as venting at him) but he didn't respond to my questions about reads.

Speaking of which, ffery, you were right about Rancid all along! I should have listened to you on them.

@Tammy

- this does look like a freakout on both of your parts. He makes statments and asks questions to three people.

You complain (AGAIN!) about their neighborhood existing and how they need to get out of it, while chewing my ass yesterday for THE EXACT SAME THING (me: "Hey Tammy, what's going on in that neighborhood of yours?" you:"SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!") and then think Carbon is scum for asking you a question?
And since the above was a question too, I expect another freak-out. Kind of mandatory at this point.
And, Carbon has been spewing neighborhood summaries right and left. So and so said this, I said that, they said that, they said nothing. And you are again (AGAIN!) pushing the "secret" neighborhood play of those within it.
You have yet to compare his summaries with Just Sheep Us or Nacho or Carbon or Yggrda's in-thread play to point out anything different.
This looks like scum paranoia on your part.

Here's why peregrine is full of shit, doesn't know how to read and is cheery picking his posts and arguments.

Our arguments about the neighborhood are like carrots and oranges. They're not even remotely similar. First off Peres original bs argument was that I hadn't said SNYTHING about the neighborhood when in fact, I had. I had talked about as much interaction as we had had in the neighborhood. The only information I hadn't divulged was our claims which is no one else's business. When I told him his accusation was ludicrous, he couldn't be fucked to act like a big boy and go my bad I missed that because I can't be fucked to actually read posts. No, he had to act all high and mighty about the things I did say.

The situations with the neighborhood weren't/aren't remotely similar. We were inactive in the neighborhood and thread. The claims were the only thing kept out of the thread. The dynamics couldn't be more different.

The argument that I'm making about the other neighborhood is that they, except falcon, are hiding out in the neighborhood. They were lock stepping everyone of their reads. I think there's scum in that neighborhood manipulating the neighborhood and using that to manipulate the game.

I've said this 50 fucking times. There is no way someone who is actually reading the game can be confused or misrep this fucking hard over the neighborhood issue.

If you want to get off your high horse and talk to me with a different tone, I will talk to you. But I have no literally no respect for players who play against their win con in now two recent games and then take the damn tone you are to me. I don't care how drunk with power you are because you're scum or a VIG. None. You can shoot me if you want but that would be playing against your wincon, and it was me playing against mine to encourage you while thinking its possible your town.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

orcinus said his character is ragou so Vesperia?

[PeregrineV]

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

Hmph. Ok. This result (and only this result) is consistent with my worldview.

Why did you start out with a fake report on CF?

-b

@PV: Why the hell wouldn't they? Maybe they actually just roleblocked me and plan to claim later that they thought I was scum and likely going to make the scum kill after I flip.

Maybe they really are a Mafia Ascetic and plan to just claim that at some point.

Because the time to sow suspicion would have been at that point. When it's fresh and relevant. Scum need only hint that your scum and they can come back to it later. I didn't see any of that.

I want to know why you weren't pressing the issue more at the time. When it's fresh and relevant. Especially if you had suspicion on Kagura at the time.

[PeregrineV]

Tales of Hearts:

AP, RG

???: Panda PV, Stalin, orcinus

You guys probably claimed some of this before, but what is everyone's game?

Tales of Vesperia

[PeregrineV]

Rancid flipped Battleseeker. I assume that aside from the miller part (and counterclaiming Carbon) that his other posting was correct/not lies. Which means two town-gladiator type roles, or one town (Rancid) and one scum (Orcinus).
Magenta has not towned it up for me, Orcinus was marginal, and roles seem to indicate that he is likely scum.

Have you missed all the talk about Vesperia and the fact that town had TWO roles with rolecop abilities in a mini?

Whatever part the role duplication plays in your read, you should probably discount that.

Also, have you so quickly forgotten the NORMAL game you've been referring to, with its TWO town joats, and two town roles with night killing abilities?

If your marginal read on Orcinus is your strongest scum read in the game then go on with you, I guess.

But you absolutely have no basis for dissing my pile of null/null-scum at the bottom of my reads lists.

There was also a game with 2 millers, 2 docs, etc.

But the majority of games have a town version and a not-town version, so I feel OK with assuming that to a higher degree of probablity.

As for further play, prior to his wagon day1, what were Orcinus' reads? Specifically, who did he think was scum?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Rancid flipped Battleseeker. I assume that aside from the miller part (and counterclaiming Carbon) that his other posting was correct/not lies. Which means two town-gladiator type roles, or one town (Rancid) and one scum (Orcinus).
Magenta has not towned it up for me, Orcinus was marginal, and roles seem to indicate that he is likely scum.

Have you missed all the talk about Vesperia and the fact that town had TWO roles with rolecop abilities in a mini?

Whatever part the role duplication plays in your read, you should probably discount that.

Also, have you so quickly forgotten the NORMAL game you've been referring to, with its TWO town joats, and two town roles with night killing abilities?

If your marginal read on Orcinus is your strongest scum read in the game then go on with you, I guess.

But you absolutely have no basis for dissing my pile of null/null-scum at the bottom of my reads lists.

There was also a game with 2 millers, 2 docs, etc.

But the majority of games have a town version and a not-town version, so I feel OK with assuming that to a higher degree of probablity.

As for further play, prior to his wagon day1, what were Orcinus' reads? Specifically, who did he think was scum?

Vesperia was a Cabd game. :/

IIRC he had one strong scum read, at least early on - elemental hawk/AP. He expressed town reads on Titan, Kagura and me. He had LB and you at null, I think.

[Titan]

Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

[PeregrineV]

Here's why peregrine is full of shit, doesn't know how to read and is cheery picking his posts and arguments.

Our arguments about the neighborhood are like carrots and oranges. They're not even remotely similar. First off Peres original bs argument was that I hadn't said SNYTHING about the neighborhood when in fact, I had. I had talked about as much interaction as we had had in the neighborhood. The only information I hadn't divulged was our claims which is no one else's business. When I told him his accusation was ludicrous, he couldn't be fucked to act like a big boy and go my bad I missed that because I can't be fucked to actually read posts. No, he had to act all high and mighty about the things I did say.

I regret to inform you that I am unable to read your posts and quote the things you said about the neighborhood without reading your posts. Since this is a forum mafia game where every word is a part of the historical record, quoting you is not acting high and mighty, it's part of the game and the way it's played.

The situations with the neighborhood weren't/aren't remotely similar. We were inactive in the neighborhood and thread. The claims were the only thing kept out of the thread. The dynamics couldn't be more different.

You are basing this off of Carbon's neighborhood description and your own knowledge of your own neighborhood I assume.

The argument that I'm making about the other neighborhood is that they, except falcon, are hiding out in the neighborhood. They were lock stepping everyone of their reads. I think there's scum in that neighborhood manipulating the neighborhood and using that to manipulate the game.

There were 4 players. One flipped scum. The other you are using as the source of what is happening in the neighborhood (Carbon), so by your own definition you can't think he is scum. Carbon feels Nacho is scum. You defend Nacho, so you must not think he is scum. That leaves JustSheepUs (Bro/Desp).
If you think they are scum, then I don't see the push on them I'd expect if you really thought that.
And I don't see where you have 3 other suspects who are also scum with him.

I've said this 50 fucking times. There is no way someone who is actually reading the game can be confused or misrep this fucking hard over the neighborhood issue.

That's your opinion.
There is no confusion. There is me pointing out that your reaction did not set well with me, and here is you still mad that I have no let it go.

If you want to get off your high horse and talk to me with a different tone, I will talk to you. But I have no literally no respect for players who play against their win con in now two recent games and then take the damn tone you are to me. I don't care how drunk with power you are because you're scum or a VIG. None. You can shoot me if you want but that would be playing against your wincon, and it was me playing against mine to encourage you while thinking its possible your town.

Since I don't have a tone, it's probably in how you are reading it.
And if you are reading it as an attack on you, why would you do that?
Like 5110 was not an attack, yet you reacted like it was one.

I have never played against my wincon, so there is that.

I can't be drunk with power, since I only win if town does.

You claimed to be a strongman maker who is permanently making Nacho a strongman (Hey AP, incorporate 5197 in your determination of Nacho). Rolewise, what will the town be losing if I vig you?

[PeregrineV]

Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Titan]

Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

This. Is. Not. Town.

[PeregrineV]

Rancid flipped Battleseeker. I assume that aside from the miller part (and counterclaiming Carbon) that his other posting was correct/not lies. Which means two town-gladiator type roles, or one town (Rancid) and one scum (Orcinus).
Magenta has not towned it up for me, Orcinus was marginal, and roles seem to indicate that he is likely scum.

Have you missed all the talk about Vesperia and the fact that town had TWO roles with rolecop abilities in a mini?

Whatever part the role duplication plays in your read, you should probably discount that.

Also, have you so quickly forgotten the NORMAL game you've been referring to, with its TWO town joats, and two town roles with night killing abilities?

If your marginal read on Orcinus is your strongest scum read in the game then go on with you, I guess.

But you absolutely have no basis for dissing my pile of null/null-scum at the bottom of my reads lists.

There was also a game with 2 millers, 2 docs, etc.

But the majority of games have a town version and a not-town version, so I feel OK with assuming that to a higher degree of probablity.

As for further play, prior to his wagon day1, what were Orcinus' reads? Specifically, who did he think was scum?

Vesperia was a Cabd game. :/

IIRC he had one strong scum read, at least early on - elemental hawk/AP. He expressed town reads on Titan, Kagura and me. He had LB and you at null, I think.

So, at deadline day1, Orcinus votes himself to ensure a lynch, governs it, and then places a nullread and a townread to die instead of scumreads or scum/null?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

There were 4 players.

One flipped scum.

The other you are using as the source of what is happening in the neighborhood (Carbon), so by your own definition you can't think he is scum. Carbon feels Nacho is scum. You defend Nacho, so you must not think he is scum. That leaves JustSheepUs (Bro/Desp).
If you think they are scum, then I don't see the push on them I'd expect if you really thought that.
And I don't see where you have 3 other suspects who are also scum with him.

wat?

[Titan]

You played against your win Von and you plated against your wincon in left4dead.

I'm not going to interact with you anymore.

You are scum.

[PeregrineV]

Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

This. Is. Not. Town.

If. You, Can't. Handle. Being. Asked. Questions. Maybe. Mafia. Is. Not. The. Game. For. You.

You've. Been. Playing. Two. Years.

You. Can. Play.

Seems. Like. Maybe. Being. Scum. Is. What's. Bothering. You.

[Titan]

*inboard games

[PeregrineV]

There were 4 players.

One flipped scum.

The other you are using as the source of what is happening in the neighborhood (Carbon), so by your own definition you can't think he is scum. Carbon feels Nacho is scum. You defend Nacho, so you must not think he is scum. That leaves JustSheepUs (Bro/Desp).
If you think they are scum, then I don't see the push on them I'd expect if you really thought that.
And I don't see where you have 3 other suspects who are also scum with him.

wat?

Yggard flipped town. Skip the typo and read the rest.

[PeregrineV]

You played against your win Von and you plated against your wincon in left4dead.

I'm not going to interact with you anymore.

You are scum.

Actually, those games are over and I played to win in both. I did in one, and did not in the other. But that's not relevant to this conversation, which it seems like you keep trying to derail.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Rancid flipped Battleseeker. I assume that aside from the miller part (and counterclaiming Carbon) that his other posting was correct/not lies. Which means two town-gladiator type roles, or one town (Rancid) and one scum (Orcinus).
Magenta has not towned it up for me, Orcinus was marginal, and roles seem to indicate that he is likely scum.

Have you missed all the talk about Vesperia and the fact that town had TWO roles with rolecop abilities in a mini?

Whatever part the role duplication plays in your read, you should probably discount that.

Also, have you so quickly forgotten the NORMAL game you've been referring to, with its TWO town joats, and two town roles with night killing abilities?

If your marginal read on Orcinus is your strongest scum read in the game then go on with you, I guess.

But you absolutely have no basis for dissing my pile of null/null-scum at the bottom of my reads lists.

There was also a game with 2 millers, 2 docs, etc.

But the majority of games have a town version and a not-town version, so I feel OK with assuming that to a higher degree of probablity.

As for further play, prior to his wagon day1, what were Orcinus' reads? Specifically, who did he think was scum?

Vesperia was a Cabd game. :/

IIRC he had one strong scum read, at least early on - elemental hawk/AP. He expressed town reads on Titan, Kagura and me. He had LB and you at null, I think.

So, at deadline day1, Orcinus votes himself to ensure a lynch, governs it, and then places a nullread and a townread to die instead of scumreads or scum/null?

Who did he have as scum at that point? Should he have gladiated the claimed cop on day 1?

At that point in the game, my strongest scum read was off limits until at least day 2. Orcinus' choices made sense to me.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

You played against your win Von and you plated against your wincon in left4dead.

I'm not going to interact with you anymore.

You are scum.

Actually, those games are over and I played to win in both. I did in one, and did not in the other. But that's not relevant to this conversation, which it seems like you keep trying to derail.

I can't say anything nice here, but if that's your idea of playing to win it explains a metric fuckton of terrible play.

[Titan]

Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

This. Is. Not. Town.

If. You, Can't. Handle. Being. Asked. Questions. Maybe. Mafia. Is. Not. The. Game. For. You.

You've. Been. Playing. Two. Years.

You. Can. Play.

Seems. Like. Maybe. Being. Scum. Is. What's. Bothering. You.

You know what? You're not worth the time for my response.

[PeregrineV]

Rancid flipped Battleseeker. I assume that aside from the miller part (and counterclaiming Carbon) that his other posting was correct/not lies. Which means two town-gladiator type roles, or one town (Rancid) and one scum (Orcinus).
Magenta has not towned it up for me, Orcinus was marginal, and roles seem to indicate that he is likely scum.

Have you missed all the talk about Vesperia and the fact that town had TWO roles with rolecop abilities in a mini?

Whatever part the role duplication plays in your read, you should probably discount that.

Also, have you so quickly forgotten the NORMAL game you've been referring to, with its TWO town joats, and two town roles with night killing abilities?

If your marginal read on Orcinus is your strongest scum read in the game then go on with you, I guess.

But you absolutely have no basis for dissing my pile of null/null-scum at the bottom of my reads lists.

There was also a game with 2 millers, 2 docs, etc.

But the majority of games have a town version and a not-town version, so I feel OK with assuming that to a higher degree of probablity.

As for further play, prior to his wagon day1, what were Orcinus' reads? Specifically, who did he think was scum?

Vesperia was a Cabd game. :/

IIRC he had one strong scum read, at least early on - elemental hawk/AP. He expressed town reads on Titan, Kagura and me. He had LB and you at null, I think.

So, at deadline day1, Orcinus votes himself to ensure a lynch, governs it, and then places a nullread and a townread to die instead of scumreads or scum/null?

Who did he have as scum at that point? Should he have gladiated the claimed cop on day 1?

At that point in the game, my strongest scum read was off limits until at least day 2. Orcinus' choices made sense to me.

OK. Then don't vote him. Still need to catch 4 scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Tales of Abyss?

: CF, JSU, Nacho

Tales of ???:

PA, Tammy
------

Tales of Hearts:

AP, RG

Tales Of Rebirth

: Stalin

Tales of Vesperia:

PV
???: Panda, orcinus, FoxHound

You guys probably claimed some of this before, but what is everyone's game?

updated. forgot Foxhound before.

[PeregrineV]

You played against your win Von and you plated against your wincon in left4dead.

I'm not going to interact with you anymore.

You are scum.

Actually, those games are over and I played to win in both. I did in one, and did not in the other. But that's not relevant to this conversation, which it seems like you keep trying to derail.

I can't say anything nice here, but if that's your idea of playing to win it explains a metric fuckton of terrible play.

Yes, I can play well, and I can play terrible. I can do both in the same game.

Since this is fairly standard and fairly common knowledge, not sure of the point here.

[Titan]

Pa and I are tales of xillia

[Cabd]

mine~