In post 5342, CarbonFiber wrote: In post 5292, Titan wrote:I'm pretty damn town though and was from the start? You say you KNEW I was scum all along but then in an earlier post you say that us misreading each other is a scum claim.
Are you sure you want to stand by me being scum?
Thank you for the compliment on my scum game. I don't think it's spectacular at all, but I appreciate it. But, if you have paid attention to my scum game, you should see that when I'm at my best I'm actually trying to get town cred. A scum me would have loved to keep Mastin around. A scum me would have had a solid read on that. You only have to look at Red Wedding to see how a scum me championed Metal Sonic against my partner Generic. The noise was delicious, I took a side, and tried to get my partner lynched in the process because I would have had metal sonic on my side and would have looked good while doing it. That's how I treat noise and a volatile situation as scum. Maybe I wouldn't always bus my partner, but it would be easy to take a stand instead of waffle about the player for 200 fucking pages. And since town reads are what typically come easiest to me it wouldn't even be out of the ordinary for me to town read him. And I mean geeze how you can't see I was conflicted about his and rancid's alignment is just astounding.
I guess my issue was that we weren't on the same page. You were waffling on Mastin while I was certain. I think based on past experience, I expected you to have similar reads to me. Like in NY169, we were both scumreading MC Maraca even while we were wrong. In PYP, we were both scumreading KK, Iam, and GM, while townreading nearly everyone else. Some of the slight twinges of paranoia came from the fact that I thought we'd see the game similarly.
I mentioned before in this game how we weren't seeing it identically. So far, the only explanation I have for us not having similar reads is that my perspective is different. I formed townreads on my two neighborhood buddies and extrapolated from there. I pushed Mastin with complete confidence because Pie was also pushing him and everything he said struck me at a very relatable level. I pushed Mastin and RBD as hard as I did because I never once questioned BRO's alignment. When BRO pushed them, I took his word as the word of confirmed town. You didn't, and you questioned his alignment making you far more unsure of the pushes that BRO and Pie were making. That's part of the reason I didn't have absolute certainty that you were town like I did in PYP, NY169, and Z-mafia and also in the older games we played. I had different touchstones. You had Ffery. I had Pie, Desp, and BRO.
And yeah, I can see now why you would fluctuate on Mastin and Rancid. Rancid for whatever reason did not make it easy to townread them by being overly aggressive and hostile. Mastin, I just misread because his posts came across as manipulative which kinda sucks.
I don't know that two people can always see the game similarly. And in this game we're coming at the game from two different viewpoints. You're in a neighborhood getting reads on people in a way I can't see. That will influence how you view the game, and considering I've had suspicion on people in the neighborhood, I can't see where you're coming from sometimes. (As an aside, this feels so similar to Wingate Mansion, I couldn't even come close to getting on the same page with empire there either.)
I wasn't sure about Mastin or RBD. The only thing that really rubbed me the wrong way with RBD was Nati's interaction with me. Like I told muffin, I would have totally understood if Nati would have been using Red Wine as a game of reference for similarity for me, but he used Too Many Heads and I was confused. Also the bit about me flailing over a week after any frustration had died down just felt off. I did waffle about Mastin, but as I said I went back and reread Anything Goes where he was my partner, and I also read his game in NY172, and reread hpaptl as a lot of his game felt really similar to hpaptl. So, yeah, I wasn't sure. I did think that if Mastin was scum then RBD was too because I do believe about their ability to read her. One of my biggest issues in mafia though is if someone else, or several someone else's, seem very very sure about their read, I tend to doubt mine unless I have really strong reasons or feelings to believe it, and I know that Mastin can be convincing as scum when he wants to be. In the end, I just thought the end to the noise and getting that question answered was the best thing for town.
I'm not sure that we always see the game so similarly though. In z-mafia, you were strongly scum reading CTD while I was town reading him. I remember you saying that you would back off of CTD if I believed in him strongly as town. I, for instance, suspected red coyote and I should have been more vocal about that but Nacho had a meta town read there I wanted to believe in. I suspected Jason and that other guy bald eagle? but you didn't. And you weren't really completely certain of me being town that game either if I recall correctly. You had me as town but with some reservations.
Half troll/Half wall.
I'm (Arthur) the wall. Don't let Tammy fool you. She trolls you w/o you even knowing! It's like you're in a constant state on mindfuck. RUN WHILE YOU CAN.
