Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

He's saying he's scum for the thought process, but a very town mollie wanted to lynch UT after I weak neighbored him while at the same time thinking I was probably town. It's not unheard of that people make weird moves.

And in this situation, he has a role that says AP didn't do something he said he did. It's just not as clear cut here.

Do you really want to see the fallout if all three involved in this are town? I sure as hell don't. And I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this play coming from katsuki!scum right now.

PANDA IS SCUM BECAUSE THEY ARE LYING ABOUT MY ROLE.

BUT.

I DONT EXPECT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO ASK CABD TO CONFIRM/DENY WHETHER OR NOT I GOT A PM ABOUT STALIN IN MY INBOX.

SO YES. IM MAKINGA GODDAMN CASE ON KATSUKI.

WHO IS LYINGABOUT MY ROLE

[CarbonFiber]

You could be scum that actually visited Stalin with BRO-Desp tracking you there. BRO-Desp's role is OP. There could potentially be some kind of GF-type role to counter it with yours being it. Like I appear guilty to all cops, perhaps scum have a role that appears innocent to all cops? As for Katsuki's actions on you, perhaps you or one of your buddies is immune from being delayed or scum have a counterpart to Tammy's rolestopper role and used it on before game start? That's a lot of speculation but I can't see a clear scum motive for Katsuki to up and claim "AP didn't visit Stalin" for no reason at all either. He's a good scum player as you know from Anything Goes. He'd expect to survive and win the game.

Vote: Cupcake

Explain why scum Katsuki pulls this off? Game mechanics-wise, he looks like the guilty one but I can't see why he would do it.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

ALSO NO WE ARE NOT FINISHING UP THIS FLAVOR CLAIM UNTIL TOMORROW

What is your character name?

I want an answer to this right now. I'm going to consider a failure to answer to be a scum claim.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because he was bored?

Because he got up this morning and he poured himself some Apple Jacks to eat but there was no milk in the refridgerator so he thought "fuck it Im claiming a guilty on AP"

Maybe Ive been unkillable at night cause Im getting protected?

I dont know. Occams razor. Consult Occams razor.

[Titan]

Tammy are you DENSE?

I got an innocent result on Stalin.

Panda is claiming that is impossible.

Unless you want to argue that they actually WERE roleblocked (in addition to the alreadyclaimed RG and Stalin blocks?) what the fuck?

I am 100% certain that Panda was either blocked or is lying and the former seems EXTREMELY unlikely

No, I'm not dense. Paranoid of you and JSU, yes.

If you've been reading what I have been saying, I'm finding it difficult to believe that both of the players last night were role blocked in the first place.

I'm just also trying to make sure that everything is thought through. If katsuki comes back town, how likely do you think it is that one of you escape being lynched tomorrow? And if you're town? We're fucked.

The lynch is going on cupcake and I'm not going to put up a fight about it, but don't fault me for trying to be careful and look at every angle. I don't take claims lightly and just easily lynch like that because it sometimes fucks over towns.

[Titan]

I can't find any delayer on the wiki, so that's no help.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm just also trying to make sure that everything is thought through. If katsuki comes back town, how likely do you think it is that one of you escape being lynched tomorrow? And if you're town? We're fucked.

Ok maybe Im biased because of ~reasons~, but this is one of those times that people are just goingto 2nd guess thmeselves on.

Maybe because this town has just no motivation after the RBD and mastin flips. Maybe because everybody wants to break the setup.

Maybe because everybody has their head so far up their own ass that they cant be fucked to reevaluate things to get their internal worldview in tune with reality (CF if he is actually town here).

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Propose a scenario for me that makes sense for Panda town then, assuming Stalin and I are both town.

Scum roleblocked Stalin. RG is lying about being roleblocked maybe?? Katsuki was redirected?

IF ANYBODY BLOCKED OR REDIRECTED CUPCAKE LAST NIGHT, CLAIM IT IN YOUR NEXT POST

[CarbonFiber]

AP, there are plenty of days left and there is no need to rush. I just want us to think things through and think about all the possibilities before we proceed with a lynch.

Mastin was very certain you were scum and it is part of my hesitation in believing you. You both know each other really well and I doubt Mastin would misread you in that way - scumreading you as soon as you entered the game and saying that you were scum right up until the lynch with you as a top suspect.

I am getting paranoid as hell about Nacho as well. Just jumping in and voting Cupcake doesn't feel right.

[PeregrineV]

Because he was bored?

Because he got up this morning and he poured himself some Apple Jacks to eat but there was no milk in the refridgerator so he thought "fuck it Im claiming a guilty on AP"

Maybe Ive been unkillable at night cause Im getting protected?

I dont know. Occams razor. Consult Occams razor.

You can earn my vote for Cupcake by linking 3 other players to him.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Trouble is I don't see the town agenda here for flipping out on Tammy. I'd say it's emotional, except let's face it, neither of your past OTT responses have been anything other than strategic, either trying to paint me as scum or figure out if I'm scum.

The phrase "town agenda" pretty much reads like an oxymoron to me. That's kinda why emotional reactions often get townreads, they DON'T have an agenda.

I hope I am wrong and that you are town too. It's what I would like. Clyton's post where he claimed watcher was a trigger that almost confirmed to me that the slot was scum after seeing Mastin flip town. I don't know why he claim it but in light of you saying it was fake, I'll think about it.

Explain, please?

CF, We're Symphonia and I would love a neighbourhood. Not sure about Ceph, but I don't see why he wouldn't be up for it and mentioned to me that he was surprised we weren't in one yet (I think he expected that we'd be in one starting from Day 2). Obviously if there's a different game that makes more sense to neighbourize then that's totally fine though.

Yeah, if there is a neighborhood for us to get I would also really like one, I think that would help us engage here.

You complain (AGAIN!) about their neighborhood existing and how they need to get out of it, while chewing my ass yesterday for THE EXACT SAME THING (me: "Hey Tammy, what's going on in that neighborhood of yours?" you:"SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!") and then think Carbon is scum for asking you a question?
And since the above was a question too, I expect another freak-out. Kind of mandatory at this point.
And, Carbon has been spewing neighborhood summaries right and left. So and so said this, I said that, they said that, they said nothing. And you are again (AGAIN!) pushing the "secret" neighborhood play of those within it.
You have yet to compare his summaries with Just Sheep Us or Nacho or Carbon or Yggrda's in-thread play to point out anything different.
This looks like scum paranoia on your part.

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[Breakfast With Sandy]

Maybe Ive been unkillable at night cause Im getting protected?

How would this work?

[CarbonFiber]

Explain, please?

I thought it unlikely for there to be a bulletproof, a bodyguard, and a watcher all in the same game. That's a lot of restrictions on scum nightkill choices.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Explain, please?

I thought it unlikely for there to be a bulletproof, a bodyguard, and a watcher all in the same game. That's a lot of restrictions on scum nightkill choices.

IF they all work on any player.

[AngryPidgeon]

Maybe Ive been unkillable at night cause Im getting protected?

How would this work?

I dont know and I dont care. People are asking me why Panda would do this as scum and I really dont care.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Rancid flipped Battleseeker. I assume that aside from the miller part (and counterclaiming Carbon) that his other posting was correct/not lies. Which means two town-gladiator type roles, or one town (Rancid) and one scum (Orcinus).
Magenta has not towned it up for me, Orcinus was marginal, and roles seem to indicate that he is likely scum.

Have you missed all the talk about Vesperia and the fact that town had TWO roles with rolecop abilities in a mini?

Whatever part the role duplication plays in your read, you should probably discount that.

Also, have you so quickly forgotten the NORMAL game you've been referring to, with its TWO town joats, and two town roles with night killing abilities?

If your marginal read on Orcinus is your strongest scum read in the game then go on with you, I guess.

But you absolutely have no basis for dissing my pile of null/null-scum at the bottom of my reads lists.

There was also a game with 2 millers, 2 docs, etc.

But the majority of games have a town version and a not-town version, so I feel OK with assuming that to a higher degree of probablity.

As for further play, prior to his wagon day1, what were Orcinus' reads? Specifically, who did he think was scum?

Are you for real right now?

I guess this'll look different when you actually show up but this post is way colder than I feel like it should be. Still, a vig claim is a vig claim.

????

You mentioned something about not having long, I thought maybe it was more brief/emptyfeeling because of a lack of time and I figured you'd talk more about it later, though that didn't really happen.

Nothing changed, they've been scum this whole time. By the way are they calling me scum yet? If they aren't Mara hasn't read the thread

Care to explain this?

Also I want Cupcake Panda dead today. I dont care if this is Katsuki a la Fate Mafia 2 or just scum, but Im not putting up with this shit.

I know for a 100% fact that my role succeeded on Stalin and there is zero way Panda can have any belief of the contrary.

Mara always scumreads me (Ceph). Even when she's scum.

I'm assuming this Cupcake shit will become more clear within a couple pages (on 218 I think?), at this point I'm still waiting for them to actually claim.

[CarbonFiber]

Mac, who was Ricardo Soldato, Town Paranoid Bodyguard*, was Killed Night 1
*A Paranoid Bodyguard also acts as a modified rolestop

@ Tammy, is this similar to your role? The modified rolestop part?

Here's the wiki link for rolestopper: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

@ Stalin, yeah if they all work. I guess we don't have the full picture yet.

[AngryPidgeon]

You can earn my vote for Cupcake by linking 3 other players to him.

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Ok but I do really need to get some work things done here. This is a request that actually requires thinking on my end rather than cheerleading a wagon on confscum. So I will later on tonight.

[Titan]

I'm just also trying to make sure that everything is thought through. If katsuki comes back town, how likely do you think it is that one of you escape being lynched tomorrow? And if you're town? We're fucked.

Ok maybe Im biased because of ~reasons~, but this is one of those times that people are just goingto 2nd guess thmeselves on.

Maybe because this town has just no motivation after the RBD and mastin flips. Maybe because everybody wants to break the setup.

Maybe because everybody has their head so far up their own ass that they cant be fucked to reevaluate things to get their internal worldview in tune with reality (CF if he is actually town here).

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Propose a scenario for me that makes sense for Panda town then, assuming Stalin and I are both town.

Scum roleblocked Stalin. RG is lying about being roleblocked maybe?? Katsuki was redirected?

IF ANYBODY BLOCKED OR REDIRECTED CUPCAKE LAST NIGHT, CLAIM IT IN YOUR NEXT POST

I'm probably one of the easiest reevaluating players on this site. Probably a product of being the leader of waffleville!

I am also annoyingly cautious about claims. Town fake claim, scum fake claim, there's interference, people make mistakes with assumptions, etc. I will work through in my head all the possibilities first.

I remember Bro saying that if you and he are on a team together that you're practically unstoppable. It's no secret I've been suspicious of both of you on and off during this game. Bro's entrance into today did seem like he got a result on you; he laid it rather low and it was kinda subtle but you picked up on that maybe they were buddying you. I can see you guys planning something like that but I'm not so sure how much I buy it. However, in a recent game scum "enhanced" their role by saying that it also had a cop element, so that part makes me wary. However, if they're scum enhancing their role then you're still town and telling the truth.

You guys could be a team. You guys could both be town. Maybe this is katsuki scum fake claiming but it goes against what I've experienced with katsuki as scum. I suppose he could be making an egregious misstep by thinking a player was more lynchable than he is, but I'm not certain I buy that.

I could go on with the various angles that I've been running through since this started but nobody probably actually wants insight into how much mental whiplash I give myself while trying to figure these things out. What it boils down to is that I'm stupidly cautious about claims.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Maybe Ive been unkillable at night cause Im getting protected?

How would this work?

I dont know and I dont care. People are asking me why Panda would do this as scum and I really dont care.

The only way I can see this working is if you think Pere lied about not trying to vig someone last night.

[AngryPidgeon]

Im just ridiculously startled that Katsuki is claiming that I lied about my role (Im not) and when someone steps in and confirms my action and my alignment in the same swoop, everyone starts circlejerking instead of wagoning Panda.

Really guys? I dont even have words to describe the level of bad townplay in this game has reached.

[AngryPidgeon]

Like people have been townreading Panda for doing FUCKALL all game. Seriously its "meta" because Panda is being way oo goddamn useless to be scum apparently (fuck that logic) and is chronically lurking. And when claiming a guilty on me which is now known to be untrue, people continue to WK panda and beat around the bush wrt setup to justify them being town?

Delusional is the word Im looking for.

[PeregrineV]

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Are you for real right now?

Which part seems unreal?

You mentioned something about not having long, I thought maybe it was more brief/emptyfeeling because of a lack of time and I figured you'd talk more about it later, though that didn't really happen.

Yes. Day just started, but I had to leave work.

Wasn't discussed much overnight or today at all, but I wanted no janitor spec considering I knew the source of the janitoring.

But, we can talk about it. What do you want to hear more about?

[Titan]

Mac, who was Ricardo Soldato, Town Paranoid Bodyguard*, was Killed Night 1
*A Paranoid Bodyguard also acts as a modified rolestop

@ Tammy, is this similar to your role? The modified rolestop part?

Here's the wiki link for rolestopper: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

@ Stalin, yeah if they all work. I guess we don't have the full picture yet.

No the target I choose can't be role blocked. So, if Nacho were to take an action and someone tried to role block him, the role block would fail and he'd still be able to action.

[AngryPidgeon]

I remember Bro saying that if you and he are on a team together that you're practically unstoppable. It's no secret I've been suspicious of both of you on and off during this game. Bro's entrance into today did seem like he got a result on you; he laid it rather low and it was kinda subtle but you picked up on that maybe they were buddying you. I can see you guys planning something like that but I'm not so sure how much I buy it. However, in a recent game scum "enhanced" their role by saying that it also had a cop element, so that part makes me wary. However, if they're scum enhancing their role then you're still town and telling the truth.

Occam's razor. Do you honestly think BROseidon-scum decided off the cuff INSTANTANEOUSLY to go for broke and defend me from a guilty claim?

So panda gets lynched today and flips town. And BROseidon and I just got ourselves chain-lynched because he couldnt keep it in his pants?

I dont get how you think that is remotely possible.

Dont get me wrong, BRO could be a Mafia Tracker or something like that. Not saying its likely or probable and dont particuarly care to figure it out right now. But Katsuki is scum.

The only way I can see Katsuki being town is if the scumteam is RG is lying about being blocked and maybe JSU is also scum just bussing, i really dont know.

[CarbonFiber]

Dang, I was hoping for a scumflip.

I am Yuri Lowell, Town Lone Wolf (modified vig), Tales of Vesperia (you can guess the modification).

I didn't shoot last night because I wanted to see Rancid's flip.

I shot him night1 because he was total scum (even if he flipped green).

Going home, but want that out there for discussion. I'll try to check in tonight.

How did you know Rancid was going to flip?