Tales of You (Endgame)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Stalin is Stallin' which is pretty par for the course.

heh.

you want us to vote cupcake. we're probably going vote cupcake once we've discussed shit and put some reads down.

I don't understand why you're in such a hurry to end the game day. As far as neighborhoods go, I think we're probably a singleton game character, so figuring out a neighborhood to activate night 3 isn't my problem.

[penguin_alien]

Yes, F-16, I claimed my real role in the neighborhood. No, I'm not claiming it to you.

I was confident on mastin being scum. I'd just come off a game where I found scum-mastin and hedged too much. I took a lot of shit for it on both sides, both having my read undermined during the day phase and then being told that I wasn't firm enough about it after the scum flip. So yeah, I came in here determined not to make the same mistake. Ended up making a different mistake in the process, and I'll eat crow for it in post-game.

Do you seriously want me to do a PBPA of you? Because quite frankly that sounds like hell on earth. And I don't get to touch anything you've said on D3 because you weren't logical? The hell?

AP, I'll answer your post later tonight. But I did answer how much of the game I've read. Seeing as my ISO isn't hundreds of posts, I think you should be able to find it.

[magenta_thegreat]

VOTE: AP

[CupcakePanda]

The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

[Titan]

Falcon - Penguin's not hedging on her town read of Bro though. She pretty much keeps reemphasizing reasons why he's town including his reaction to her town reading him. She thinks scum him would have capitalized on it while his kind of paranoid reaction leans town.

Okay, just to be clear, Clyton claimed something other than watcher in the neighborhood, right?

Because that was part of the reason I got it into my head that Penguin is for sure scum because Nacho's commuter role, Mastin's bulletproof, Penguin's watcher role, and Mac's bodyguard felt like way too many townies the scum can't kill. But I was thinking about Stalin saying that they may not work on everyone which negates a lot of their power.

I am still not sure how the game makes any sense if Penguin is town. Assuming AP and BRO-Desp are also town, and Cupcake is scum. PV is confirmed as vig, and if he shoots again, that's pretty much a town confirmation as I doubt scum would have more than one extra kill. In any case, the janitoring seems like a good way to nerf the vig and his target made sense from a town POV. Also, I am assuming Breakfast is town. That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

How would penguin being a watcher be someone scum can't kill?

Yes, she claimed her role to me, and part of it is confirmed to me.

I don't really want to talk about it anymore than that right now.

[Titan]

The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

What do you think about bro claiming to have tracked ap to ffery?

[CarbonFiber]

Yes, F-16, I claimed my real role in the neighborhood. No, I'm not claiming it to you.

I was confident on mastin being scum. I'd just come off a game where I found scum-mastin and hedged too much. I took a lot of shit for it on both sides, both having my read undermined during the day phase and then being told that I wasn't firm enough about it after the scum flip. So yeah, I came in here determined not to make the same mistake. Ended up making a different mistake in the process, and I'll eat crow for it in post-game.

Do you seriously want me to do a PBPA of you? Because quite frankly that sounds like hell on earth. And I don't get to touch anything you've said on D3 because you weren't logical? The hell?

That's not what I was saying at all. I don't expect a post by post analysis of my ISO. I expected some sort of accusation based on why my body of work pointed to scum as opposed to "

the back and forth you had with Tammy looks scummy and here's why you've been illogical.

"

I've done a whole bunch of things I wouldn't be able to fake:

1) Counterclaim miller on the most notoriously difficult to lynch player on the site and push a wagon on them. Why the heck would I do that? And how would I know that they are not actually a miller? If I did that as scum, I would expect to be vigged immediately upon their miller flip because I would expect them to be telling the truth about their role.

2) Spend a ton of my effort pushing Mastin when as scum, I usually go with the flow and don't overextend myself - you've seen this in Wicked. Mostly, I let town dictate who they want to lynch and take the fall for it.

3) Most of my D1 analysis is nothing like my analysis as scum either and above the level I can convincingly fake as scum.

Your reaction to me was much different from your reaction in Cowardly Hider though where you immediately tried to placate me and get me change my mind and I'm not seeing that here at all which points to you being town. But I can't for the life of me figure out why you are shutting down all of my questions the way you are doing ("do you want me to do a PBPA?" "I can't bring up D3 because you weren't logical?" etc) because that's not what I meant at all.

[Titan]

Ok so this is whats bothering me.

CF is claiming shit that I have no idea is fake or true about my N1 actions. Tammy is going "oooh shiny I wonder if this means something" when it really does not.
CF is creating a sideshow about Penguin_Alien who looks REALLY PRETTY TOWN and he is not really working towards the multiple claims that just came pouring out that need to be resolved Today. Instead I get some hedgy "Well there COULD be some godlike bullshit in the game that AP might be and might have played 100% perfectly to match with everyone's role results, including my own"

Magenta apparently hasn't read a singular post from Today.

Stalin is Stallin' which is pretty par for the course.

REMINDER: KATSUKI CLAIMED I LIED ABOUT MY ROLE. THAT IS A GUILTY.
I AM CONFIRMED TOWN AND BOTH OF MY NIGHT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

..but but I like shiny things

[CarbonFiber]

The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

If it wasn't for BRO-Desp, I'd be pushing pretty hard for an AP lynch right now. How do you explain their result on AP?

[CarbonFiber]

How would penguin being a watcher be someone scum can't kill?

Yes, she claimed her role to me, and part of it is confirmed to me.

I don't really want to talk about it anymore than that right now.

No, I mean whoever she watches is a player that scum can't kill (analogous to a doc).

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Beli and I have decided to full-claim our night action.

We're an amnesiac follower. We pick a target and a player to receive the results.

Night 1 we targeted AP and picked CF to get the results. Night 2 as I've said, we targeted Cupcake and chose one of our bet the farm town reads to get the result, but our role failed.

[magenta_thegreat]

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

[magenta_thegreat]

That being said, being able to tell the truth, without giving your role away is a crucial ability as scum as it gives you the feeling of being honest (because you are) and reduces any possible back-firing made from town investigative roles

[CarbonFiber]

YOUR ACTION EITHER FAILED OR YOU'RE LYING BUDDY #1

CHELSEA TORN
TOWN DELAYER

N1 MASTIN
N2 AP

Explain what delayer means?

ACTION DELAYED BY ONE DAY/NIGHT CYCLE

AKA, THERE IS NO WAY AP COULD HAVE POSSIBLY GOTTEN A RESULT LAST NIGHT. HIS ACTION LAST NIGHT SHOULD NOT HAVE RESOLVED UNTIL N3.

I'm not sure if this means the actual visiting action or the entire action results included.

Either way, I am not seeing why AP would fake a result on Stalin if he never got any results back even as scum because that would be an unnecessary lie.

[Titan]

How would penguin being a watcher be someone scum can't kill?

Yes, she claimed her role to me, and part of it is confirmed to me.

I don't really want to talk about it anymore than that right now.

No, I mean whoever she watches is a player that scum can't kill (analogous to a doc).

Oh then yeeeaaahhh she's a watcher who watches all of xillia every night, so scum can't kill us now!

But seriously, no. She's not a *watcher*

But it's her role and her place to talk about what she will.

[Titan]

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

He's saying he's a tracker who gets no result on replicas though and is confirming ap as town.

[CarbonFiber]

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

He's saying he's a tracker who gets no result on replicas though and is confirming ap as town.

But it is still possible he is a GF type role that appears as "not a replica" to all cops just like I as a miller appear as a replica to all cops. And then if tracked, he chooses who he supposedly visited.

[Titan]

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

He's saying he's a tracker who gets no result on replicas though and is confirming ap as town.

But it is still possible he is a GF type role that appears as "not a replica" to all cops just like I as a miller appear as a replica to all cops. And then if tracked, he chooses who he supposedly visited.

But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

He's saying he's a tracker who gets no result on replicas though and is confirming ap as town.

But it is still possible he is a GF type role that appears as "not a replica" to all cops just like I as a miller appear as a replica to all cops. And then if tracked, he chooses who he supposedly visited.

But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.

Or someone else on the scum team targeted nacho and their action (whatever it may have been) failed.

Betting scum have a rolecop in this setup.

[penguin_alien]

Yes, F-16, I claimed my real role in the neighborhood. No, I'm not claiming it to you.

I was confident on mastin being scum. I'd just come off a game where I found scum-mastin and hedged too much. I took a lot of shit for it on both sides, both having my read undermined during the day phase and then being told that I wasn't firm enough about it after the scum flip. So yeah, I came in here determined not to make the same mistake. Ended up making a different mistake in the process, and I'll eat crow for it in post-game.

Do you seriously want me to do a PBPA of you? Because quite frankly that sounds like hell on earth. And I don't get to touch anything you've said on D3 because you weren't logical? The hell?

That's not what I was saying at all. I don't expect a post by post analysis of my ISO. I expected some sort of accusation based on why my body of work pointed to scum as opposed to "

the back and forth you had with Tammy looks scummy and here's why you've been illogical.

"

I've done a whole bunch of things I wouldn't be able to fake:

1) Counterclaim miller on the most notoriously difficult to lynch player on the site and push a wagon on them. Why the heck would I do that? And how would I know that they are not actually a miller? If I did that as scum, I would expect to be vigged immediately upon their miller flip because I would expect them to be telling the truth about their role.

2) Spend a ton of my effort pushing Mastin when as scum, I usually go with the flow and don't overextend myself - you've seen this in Wicked. Mostly, I let town dictate who they want to lynch and take the fall for it.

3) Most of my D1 analysis is nothing like my analysis as scum either and above the level I can convincingly fake as scum.

Your reaction to me was much different from your reaction in Cowardly Hider though where you immediately tried to placate me and get me change my mind and I'm not seeing that here at all which points to you being town. But I can't for the life of me figure out why you are shutting down all of my questions the way you are doing ("do you want me to do a PBPA?" "I can't bring up D3 because you weren't logical?" etc) because that's not what I meant at all.

On tablet, sorry for massive quote.

I don't know about the miller part. You're right that that is pretty odd. I can think of scenarios that explain it without you being honest either. But I want to step back and think about them first.

Your analysis...I think we saw how well you fake analysis as scum, or don't fake it, as the case may be.

Frankly your not being on the mastin lynch looks exactly like you not overextending yourself.

I need to take a deep breath, calm down, and think things through.

[AngryPidgeon]

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

despbro is also confirming me as town.

[Titan]

Good point.

Pedit to ffery/beli sorry keep leaving you out.

[CarbonFiber]

But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.

He probably is but putting that aside for the sake of hypotheticals: Maybe he also has a visiting role and he figured out that they are a commuter? Or one of his scumbuddies did? It actually makes sense that he would want to give a no result because it lessens the number of "confirmations" that he has to do.

Could he actually be town though? He spent the entire game trying to find new and interesting ways to paint me as scum and ignoring what's incredibly obvious. That, and Mastin was near 100% sure about it.

[CarbonFiber]

On tablet, sorry for massive quote.

I don't know about the miller part. You're right that that is pretty odd. I can think of scenarios that explain it without you being honest either. But I want to step back and think about them first.

Your analysis...I think we saw how well you fake analysis as scum, or don't fake it, as the case may be.

Frankly your not being on the mastin lynch looks exactly like you not overextending yourself.

I need to take a deep breath, calm down, and think things through.

The "not being on the Mastin lynch" part doesn't mean anything. I am often incredibly slow to vote and vote a lot close to deadline on a wagon I think will lead to a lynch. I don't generally vote for "pressure" or vote early. There are exceptions of course but me not voting someone I eventually want lynched is fairly routine for town-me.

[Katsuki]

The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

What do you think about bro claiming to have tracked ap to ffery?

Well, that's what tripped me up at first.

However, considering we already have players claiming to be roleblocked, the likelihood of me being roleblocked is essentially 0.

The only possibilities then would like in there being a redirector or busdriver. Why a redirector would target me is LOLOL so lets discount that.
The last possibility would be a busdriver. If there was one who targetted AP+someone last night, they should've claimed already. Given no claim, we will discount that.

What remains is that, my action went through and AP is lying scum. Why despbros would come out with that fake tracker claim as scumbuddies I have no idea.

The last possibility is that, my action did NOT go through, but that would involve AP fakeclaiming ANYWAYS so.
Actually... typing up this post, now that you mention it, that is a possibility. HOWEVER, despbros claimed that their action fails on scum...

SIDETRACK:
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THERE BE A ROLE THAT'S STRONGER THAN COP ANYWAYS?! THINK ABOUT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY GIVES ALIGNMENT RESULT + ROLE CONFIRMATION OF TOWNIES
Actually the entire claim just seems wack.

But it would be a possibility that despbros is town given an AP scumflip. Their claim seems like WHOOOOOOOSH though and I'd be happier assuming their scum anyways.
EITHER WAY
AP IS SCUM AND CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TOWN
As for DESPBROS, I'm probably going to regret giving them a way out after AP flips scum, but well... right now, that's all I can think of, and while I disagree with being forthcoming, meh.
It IS possible that AP actioned N2 AS FAKECLAIMING SCUM (ROLE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE). In that event, he probably roleblocked stalin.

NACHO ON THE OTHER HAND
DESERVES ROPE