Ok, so I can at least understand where Kagami is coming from now.
I can't really get behind the FF
or
the Zeph wagon right now.
@NS: Why did you think #328 was so obviously scummy? I can see some of Kagami's points, but do you really think it screams "scum" so much that no explanation is necessary?
Alright, so here us the lynch vc. Josh and vezo are dead, so that avenue is closed. It does concern me a little that Who isn't on the lynch that his guilty started, but I'd have to look at the course of events to figure out why. I don't remember PhD at all, and Beli gets my benefit of the doubtfor now. I am not worried about myself.
If we are following the normal scum rules we are looking at 3, right? So who on the lynch is bussing for town cred?
This is scummy for many reasons.
I think you are grossly mischaracterizing this post.
It strongly advocates for lynching among the group of players that the poster is not a part of. FF seems to believe that both scum are on the wagon, despite the fact that everyone off the wagon is null/scummy, except Who, the one off-wagon player he tries to paint as suspicious.
Where is the strong advocacy?
The reasons for phd, beli, and himself not being scum feel forced, as does the "Are there 3 scum?"
What reason did he advance for phd not being scum?
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342, however, does present a reasonable argument. I'm a little leery about it, though, since it feels set up by 328.
Re: mass-claim, I still question whether it's a good idea. The games that can be broken by early mass-claim are almost exclusively role-madness, in which the scum have to claim roles, and their role/actions can be evaluated or proven. That said, it sounds like nati has more information than I do about this game, so maybe it's ok.
Nati is good at figuring out when mass claim makes sense, and he usually advocates it earlier than most players would.
Aside from the prior game and mod meta, I don't think he knows anything that isn't in the game thread.
Quoted for truthery. The RVS is very interesting and there is a lot of information hat can be garnered from the voting. Any attempt to discredit information gained by this phase is noted.
Seriously though, Bel was the first mod to accept my off site experience and allow me to sub in on JesusChristMafia. I wasn't going to play this game because I don't know what a peterman is, and I don't watch GoT or read Jane Austin novels. But, I saw that the game had been open for signups for a while, and Belisarius was in it, so I added my name to the list.
Except for JCM, I don't have any completed games on MS, so most mods have been rejecting me because of experience. So, that's the other part of why I'm playing. Empking accepted me, and I love to play the game.
I'll be at a disadvantage because I don't know much about the theme, but scum tells are scum tells, whether I know the theme or not.
I don't like this response. Too flaily and over the top for such a short line to respond to, just he's trying to justify something that shouldn't need justifying.
UNVOTE: geists
VOTE: Josh_B
I'll stop reading now. Club time.
Something really seems off about this post. I know that Josh flipped scum, but...
In post 89, Who wrote:Just checked with Empking, I do not know what I will flip as so my breadcrumb might not work.
Roleclaim: N0 Cop
I investigated Josh_B and got guilty. Also, my role changed overnight into something totally different for no apparent reason (Hence me not knowing what I will flip). The second role was much more flavory and more pick-related than the first.
I do NOT like this. This looks to me like a complete Scum Buddy Bus. You're a N0 cop. I'm morbidly curious to what your N1 role is.
FoS: Who
More incoming...
"LML = Mafia God" - Pie Is Good
"LML returns, plays one game, wins a Scummie, then leaves again!" - Primate
Gunsmith guilty on Josh rather than Cop. Meaning his VT claim just confirmed him as scum.
Everything about the changing role and not being sure what I'd flip was true. I left the breadcrumb of "Josh
shot
the intro townie" and "horsification
gun
" to let town know "Gunsmith guilty on Josh" in case I died and had an informative flip. Also, my new role is significantly weaker than gunsmith, bordering on VT-useless.
Faked the cop guilty in order to avoid giving him the out of claiming vig or something unless he actually was vig or something. But he wasn't.
Also, Juls asked me to flavorclaim earlier, the N0 gunsmith was a totally ordinary gunsmith PM nothing to do with characters, then the unexpected rolechange was more flavory, but with no explanation of the change.
Vote: Who
Lying, no matter what, is anti-town. I had suspicions of you before this, but now? C'mon.
"LML = Mafia God" - Pie Is Good
"LML returns, plays one game, wins a Scummie, then leaves again!" - Primate
I will address the slanderous statements from Kagami when I get home. Nobody Special doesn't get a reply yet because he felt it more appropriate to defend himself against LML before replying to MTDs question. I also went back to examine Who during the lynch, I'll go into that too.
Well, I am liking LML. I still think it is a risky gambit as scum to N0 guilty you buddy. It would help to hear more from that slot too since he hasn't been around today but has been active on site. I have been retired for awhile but is a N0 investigation that far fetched? I admit I didn't find it as implausible as others have.
The worst play here is to lynch Josh. If who by some miracle is town he isn't a gunsmith anymore
Why is the worst play to lynch Josh, the guilty scum?
Also, UNVOTE:
Some people have said there are things they want to talk about before the day is over, and this prevents him from self-hammering.
So this is where Who unvotes, and given reason seems legit. This post was made 10 posts after Kagami and Nobody Special come in back to back within 25 minutes of each other to naked vote Josh. And I know, I know, Josh had a guilty on him but those votes put him at l-2 and l-1 respectively. Who's unvote on the back of those votes to continue discussion makes sense.
Geist votes for Josh a few pages later, and puts him back at l-1. Juls makes a comment about what else we could be waiting for before someone hammers Josh, and without giving anyone a chance to say anything else Zep hammers.
Is there anything inherently scummy with peoples votes? Nah, could go either way, but coupled with other things shit gets more murky. Still think that Zep showed his scumass here and i plan to... well you can guess where I am going with that one.
On to Kagami! I think Lil' Wayne said it best with "Scum talking about me, but they ain't talking it at me."
Alright, so here us the lynch vc. Josh and vezo are dead, so that avenue is closed. It does concern me a little that Who isn't on the lynch that his guilty started, but I'd have to look at the course of events to figure out why. I don't remember PhD at all, and Beli gets my benefit of the doubtfor now. I am not worried about myself.
If we are following the normal scum rules we are looking at 3, right? So who on the lynch is bussing for town cred?
This is scummy for many reasons.
It strongly advocates for lynching among the group of players that the poster is not a part of. FF seems to believe that both scum are on the wagon, despite the fact that everyone off the wagon is null/scummy, except Who, the one off-wagon player he tries to paint as suspicious.
The reasons for phd, beli, and himself not being scum feel forced, as does the "Are there 3 scum?"
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342, however, does present a reasonable argument. I'm a little leery about it, though, since it feels set up by 328.
Re: mass-claim, I still question whether it's a good idea. The games that can be broken by early mass-claim are almost exclusively role-madness, in which the scum have to claim roles, and their role/actions can be evaluated or proven. That said, it sounds like nati has more information than I do about this game, so maybe it's ok.
Ok, first things first. It seems that you are calling it scummy in one sense because I am not including myself in the could be scum category. Why the fuck would I think I was scum, or could be scum. This is possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever seen in a game of mafia, well other than scum saying that they could be scum in a 1v1 but that's another story. Back to business. Could you please point out where I was
strongly advocating
the lynch of anyone? No, didn't think so because that never happened, so misrep #1. Next untruth is that I believe that both scum are on the wagon. Point out where I said this. Nope? Misrep #2. Forced reasons? Who fucking started and fueled the wagon only to hop off before it jumped the gorge. I even stated that I would have to go back to look at the circumstances. PhD I stated that I couldn't remember him even playing, I guess in your world not remembering someone=town read? Beli could be scum, but I am willing to let him live a little. I just played a game with Beli as non-town and I am trying to figure out how to read him, I need a bit more time on that one. And myself, well you fucking got me, I suspect that my actual role pm may be scum, but I am having a hard time reading myself as well.
Misrep #3 is that I was asking about the number of scum. Someone just did the same thing to me when discussing possible setups in a mini normal game. In a 13 player game there is usually 3 nontown roles. I think that is pretty standard and I was asking more of a rhetorical question.
So strike 3 and you're fucking out. As soon as I get my lynch on Zep through, I am coming straight for your ass with some of this... again I think you know where this is going.
And I will give a minute of my time to NS. I call you out in #334 and again in #339. MTD does the same in #351. LML says that the wording of a post of yours from page 4 is bugging him and you come running in to ask him to go on about his view point on you from a mostly innocuous post from d1. Why are you so concerned with how he saw that post, yet you say shit in response to 2 players calling you out by name with reasons?
The fact that it was called "Night 0" and not simply "Pregame" is another compelling case for Who-town. Aside from the clearer idea that he probably wouldn't have bussed so early on.
In post 365, Cho wrote:The fact that it was called "Night 0" and not simply "Pregame" is another compelling case for Who-town. Aside from the clearer idea that he probably wouldn't have bussed so early on.
Are you part parrot and can't help but echo posts already made, or is this a prime example of what posting to post looks like? Offer up some unique perspectives and don't take us all the way down wifom lane with reasoning that should illustrate the exact thought process behind someones actions
In post 366, geists wrote:formerfish, zeph could be derptown, could be scum. Whatever he is, he's going down before too long in this game.
Kagami on the other hand could lurk, smarm and slime her way to LYLO.
I really want her gone today.
Fuck it.
unvote
Vote Kagami
Your reads were shit in Touhou, and I think your reason for voting me here along with the misreps on a fairly simple post show that you are scum and need to hang. Keep your vote on me though, I think its cute.
In post 368, Cho wrote:I'd rather type up a quick game-related blurb than simply say "prod dodge". I'm busy.
I'd rather you prod dodge like normal people do rather than try to appear like you are actually paying attention to the game and providing insight. It comes off as try hard, and scum engage in more try hard activities than town.
If you are busy, why are you so concerened with what is currently happening in thread?
Oh, I'm paying a decent amount of attention to the game, all right. The thing is, it actually takes time to analyze posts in-depth and type up an actually important post of my own, compared to how quickly you can skim the newest notification posts.
In fact, I started writing this right when you posted that. It takes a while for me to gather my thoughts without a pressing need to, and I'd rather focus on a few more important things that I have going on at the moment.
If you don't consider "let's not worry about those off the wagon (except maybe Who), so who on the lynch is bussing for town cred?" advocacy for a wagoneer lynch, I don't know what to say, especially in the context of 254.
Yes, you said "I don't even remember phd," which is in itself silly since it's pretty hard to mention him without recognizing that he never posted; this statement is grouped with beli get the benefit of the doubt for whatever reason and that you're not worried about yourself and implies that those three shouldn't be considered.
The post is very clearly saying "We shouldn't worry about the 4 off wagon guys, except maybe Who, and should be looking at the lynch-wagon."
With regard to touhou, I recall being a pretty important part of the varsoon defense and Scum-Gaiden push on day one. Then I pushed scum-CoK before AD faked a (correct) guilty on him, and then I wanted to lynch scum-muffin for the entirety of day 3. "Your reads were shit in Touhou" is a bizarre thing to say, especially given the behavior of your slot.
