Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

Katsuki - can you explain what you meant when you said that certain roles would't go through with your delayer?

[CarbonFiber]

Falcon - Did you let the neighborhood know about ffery's track night one and where it came from?

I crumbed it but I didn't explicitly claim it.

[CarbonFiber]

Arthur had DV/Ceph as scum on day one due to his buddying of me. They're someone I wanted to reread as day one when I started to think that rancid and mastin were town, I thought that scum were town reading me. DV usually scum reads me when he's scum or throws up fake paranoia, but they seem a little too sure that I'm town.

Hi, I'm Cephrir, and this figuratively happens to me every single game. If it's any consolation I'm down to a mere ~95% at this point!

I don't understand this sentence.

I don't even know if I buy Falcon as scum. I just don't want to believe as scum he'd basically tell me knowing that I'm town that I've sucked this game, am deluded and can do better. I just don't think he'd go there. I just think that if he was scum, he'd know that when I say I'm lost I really mean that, and that he'd try to manipulate me in another way.

That doesn't seem particularly... anything?

Maybe not to you but it does to me. Falcon doesn't like being scum and though he'll definitely be aggressive when scum, I'm just not sure he'd say some of that. Falcon and I work well together in games and like playing together. And anyone who's played with me more than once knows that I'm rather sensitive at times, and have been especially so lately as I'm really needing a mafia break or to just be in one game or something right now and I've been pretty open about that. Not only that but anyone who has played town games with me knows that I put a lot of thought in games. Everything that I'm thinking doesn't even get posted in the thread but there's a lot that goes on away from the thread in terms of trying to figure the game out. So, a scum him would know all this and I'm just not sure a scum him would say that to me. He might mock me for waffling too much like he did Mina in Wicked, but I'm not even sure he'd do that considering it's so much of my play style and he's familiar with that. He might tell me I'm deluded for reading him as scum. He might even push me due to a perceived weakness he can exploit, but I'm just not sure he goes out of his way to say things to a town me that would cut a bit. Him thinking I'm scum and lashing out at me, I can see that, but him being scum I just think that he'd go about it differently.

[CarbonFiber]

Also, with regards to where Ceph placed his attention, I felt he gave me most of his attention.

And you think that was a good place for Ceph's attention given the game state?

Y'all attribute a lot more conscious decision making to me than I ever actually exhibit.

Rancid wanted to lynch The Fox and The Hound as well as AP citing Cephrir as a "flow-busser" who would bus if the flow went against his teammates. That makes me wonder about AP/Fox team.

You lost me pretty badly here.

Muffin claimed that your scum playstyle is similar to his meaning that you don't bus straight up but bus if the need arises which he termed as "flow-bussing." He said he voted for Hawk to see if you follow the vote and that you did and he concluded that you were scum from it. I'll pull the link in a bit.

[CarbonFiber]

I initially put the vote down on the Prohawk hydra for two reasons;

Partially because I thought they were scummy as fuck (which I'll get to in a minute) and partially because I had a scum read on FoxHound and I thought if I was right about Hawk being scum, FoxHound were going to bus them after I put my vote down on Hawk. Because Cephrir has a similar scum playstyle to mine in that he's not strictly a busser, but he's a flow-busser. When he senses weakness in a buddy and senses the flow of opinions tending towards a buddy, he jumps on the bus at an early venture for all the town cred it's worth. It's what I do as scum and I am fairly sure Cephrir is as adept as I am at reading flow since he does it as scum as well. I changed the flow of things slightly with my Hawk vote deliberately to see whether he was going to flow-bus Hawkie, and like clockwork, their vote came. I know it was DV who did it, but given he said Cephrir gave him the go-ahead, that's as good as Cephrir doing it.

When AP flips scum, FoxHound needs to be buried the next day.

And anyone who honestly thinks AP looks town from his entrance is either dumb or scum. Mastin is fucking right about AP. That wasn't a town entrance, and nothing he's done since then looks town.

Prohawk was scum. AP is scum.

The only reason NOT to lynch them today is because BRO is basically the most obvscum he's even been in a game.

Here's where he points it out.

[Titan]

Falcon - Here's DV's iso in Gundam Seed

I thought the way he went after majiffy was pretty strong. It didn't have the flair, but it had a bit of certainty.

[CarbonFiber]

Arthur had DV/Ceph as scum on day one due to his buddying of me. They're someone I wanted to reread as day one when I started to think that rancid and mastin were town, I thought that scum were town reading me. DV usually scum reads me when he's scum or throws up fake paranoia, but they seem a little too sure that I'm town.

Hi, I'm Cephrir, and this figuratively happens to me every single game. If it's any consolation I'm down to a mere ~95% at this point!

I don't understand this sentence.

I don't even know if I buy Falcon as scum. I just don't want to believe as scum he'd basically tell me knowing that I'm town that I've sucked this game, am deluded and can do better. I just don't think he'd go there. I just think that if he was scum, he'd know that when I say I'm lost I really mean that, and that he'd try to manipulate me in another way.

That doesn't seem particularly... anything?

Maybe not to you but it does to me. Falcon doesn't like being scum and though he'll definitely be aggressive when scum, I'm just not sure he'd say some of that. Falcon and I work well together in games and like playing together. And anyone who's played with me more than once knows that I'm rather sensitive at times, and have been especially so lately as I'm really needing a mafia break or to just be in one game or something right now and I've been pretty open about that. Not only that but anyone who has played town games with me knows that I put a lot of thought in games. Everything that I'm thinking doesn't even get posted in the thread but there's a lot that goes on away from the thread in terms of trying to figure the game out. So, a scum him would know all this and I'm just not sure a scum him would say that to me. He might mock me for waffling too much like he did Mina in Wicked, but I'm not even sure he'd do that considering it's so much of my play style and he's familiar with that. He might tell me I'm deluded for reading him as scum. He might even push me due to a perceived weakness he can exploit, but I'm just not sure he goes out of his way to say things to a town me that would cut a bit. Him thinking I'm scum and lashing out at me, I can see that, but him being scum I just think that he'd go about it differently.

I'm really, really sorry about this. I completely forgot that you needed a break from mafia at that time. And you are right that I wouldn't have said it as scum but said it as town because I thought you were scum and didn't think that it applied to the game at all because in a hypothetical world where you are scum, saying that your pushes sucked is irrelevant because they are supposed to. But thank you for understanding my thought process as opposed to saying I was scum because I was being hostile.

[CarbonFiber]

Falcon - Here's DV's iso in Gundam Seed

I thought the way he went after majiffy was pretty strong. It didn't have the flair, but it had a bit of certainty.

I'll check it out in a little bit and get back on it.

[PeregrineV]

Beli and I have decided to full-claim our night action.

We're an amnesiac follower. We pick a target and a player to receive the results.

Night 1 we targeted AP and picked CF to get the results. Night 2 as I've said, we targeted Cupcake and chose one of our bet the farm town reads to get the result, but our role failed.

Can your role fail if the person you select to receive the message was roleblocked, rolestopped, jailkept or other not available?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Beli and I have decided to full-claim our night action.

We're an amnesiac follower. We pick a target and a player to receive the results.

Night 1 we targeted AP and picked CF to get the results. Night 2 as I've said, we targeted Cupcake and chose one of our bet the farm town reads to get the result, but our role failed.

Can your role fail if the person you select to receive the message was roleblocked, rolestopped, jailkept or other not available?

I've asked Cabd this question and the answer is that my part wouldn't fail. So I assume I would get a different message back than the message I got last night.

[PeregrineV]

Gathering the bits and pieces

YOUR ACTION EITHER FAILED OR YOU'RE LYING BUDDY #1

CHELSEA TORN
TOWN DELAYER

N1 MASTIN
N2 AP

Im a modified cop. I submit 3 names every night and the mafia team selects one for me to get either Replica or Not Replica on. I was allowed to target Kagura on N1 and got no result which was weird. I got Not Replica back on BWS last night. Im in Tales of Hearts. Calcedny Arcome, Town Lawful Commander. I think I claimed all that before but its possible I havent.

we are van grants, instructor master, even night tracker. ap visited stalin last night.

out ability will fail against replicas.

My message back is that my role explicitly failed.

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We're an amnesiac follower. We pick a target and a player to receive the results.

Night 1 we targeted AP and picked CF to get the results. Night 2 as I've said, we targeted Cupcake and chose one of our bet the farm town reads to get the result, but our role failed.

How would penguin being a watcher be someone scum can't kill?

Yes, she claimed her role to me, and part of it is confirmed to me.

I don't really want to talk about it anymore than that right now.

No, I mean whoever she watches is a player that scum can't kill (analogous to a doc).

I'm milla maxwell a town determined warrior. I'm an anti-roleblocker. But I had to decide before the game started who I was going to attach myself to and I can't change it unless the person I chose first dies.

Guess who I chose? Guess you can't guess? Nacho is unroleblockable. That is why I started the game already paranoid about their slot and asked them to town themselves early. I thought that in a large there could be one of both and if I made scum unroleblockable I'd be screwing over town. The "I will stay with you" in my first post referred to that. I stay with the person and fight along their side.

If nacho dies, I can choose another person, and my action can't be roleblocked.

Spoiler: Rancid claim

Also, to further elaborate on why #2185 is a load of shit, unless Cabd pastes role PMs on flip, we are going to flip Sword Dancer, Town Battleseeker. We will not flip "hated", "miller", "gladiator" or "age cop" - those are all just components of our role.

Also, I have no intention of full claiming our role regardless of whether we actually get run up, but I will clarify that the gladiator and age-cop part of our role are tired together. Our action is a night action, we're told the age of whoever we gladiate at day start, and depending on their age, there are certain restrictions and / or benefits to the battle. For example, if we battle a child, the duel ends if our opponent reaches L-2 and the day proceeds as normal after that (doesn't happen if we reach L-2 though). I will not be saying what happens if we battle a beast or an adult, so don't ask

I cc. I also have this PGO thing attached to it.

It occurs to me
That people might think
We be lying about our role
Which kinda makes me blink

Regardless, this will be resolved
When we battle someone D2
And reveal their age at the start of day
So ye'll see everything was true

Spoiler: Orc claim

lol

i have no idea why this wagon is happening but i'm not being lynched today

i'll be choosing two people off my wagon to governor at deadline

nj guys nj

Unvote

I give up.

why the fuck were you voting me?

You self-govern and then make two people gladiate?

yep

i crumbed this when i said i was gtown or something like that

by the way

once deadline hits i'll governor whatever is going down

i'll take a bit to decide who to put up

only I and the two people i put up can talk, everyone else can only vote and unvote

i have no idea why people are scumreading me or why i became the quicklynch wagon but you are seriously off your marks

also i can't govern a no lynch

i might govern the lynch, then just put up a pool to no lynch anyways

fery/beli are you good with going up cos i want you there

Yes, it does. Dayvigging me in the middle of D1 proves the role of dayvig. Doesn't make the player town, though. *coughcoughanyonetownreadingtitus'sslotshouldabeenashamedcough*

No, you aren't this thick.

You said that rancid's claim was townier than mine, and that if one of us was scum, then it would be me.

Your evidence for this was that rancid's claim was townier than mine because I claimed when I was being run up

But that makes no sense. Claims while people are run up are scum because they are liable to fakeclaim something random. But my role is PROVEN. So the fact that I claimed while being run up is completely irrelevant to my actual alignment

Also you misrepped your previous post

Spoiler: Carbon claim

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Here is our full role claim:

1) Our character name is Luke from Tales of the Abyss.

2) We are a town replica.

3) We return as "replica" to all cops.

4) We also have an ability to set up neighborhoods. Each day, we send the name of a mothership title (like Tales of the Abyss) to Cabd and he sets up a neighborhood for all the people in that title. For instance, we sent him "Tales of the Abyss" today and he set up a neighborhood for us, BRO-Desp, Nacho-Bork, and GIF. (This is the reason why I haven't interacted with Nacho in thread and I figured ffery/others would pick up on it). Based on the interactions in the neighborhood, I am massively confident that BRO and Desp are town.

-- Moving on, reasons for why we are counterclaiming now as opposed to earlier.

I honestly wasn't sure whether RBD were gambiting with their miller claim or were serious. It only slowly started to sink in at some point that they were serious about it. I was also certain enough about Mastin being scum that I was fine with a Mastin lynch followed by RBD locking themselves into a gladiate with BRO-Desp and then counterclaiming them. As it turns out, we seem to be headed toward a mislynch one way or another. I am not really sure at what point I realized that RBD were serious about their claim and re-read our role realized we had the same role. But on an initial read, I sort of skimmed through and didn't really register that we were a miller.

We claimed in the neighborhood. Only BRO-Desp were online and responded to it.

I am Yuri Lowell, Town Lone Wolf (modified vig), Tales of Vesperia (my targets are janitored and flip at the end of the following night they were shot). I didn't shoot last night because I wanted to see Rancid's flip. I shot him night1 because he was total scum (even if he flipped green).

[PeregrineV]

@Magenta

- what is your character name?

@Breakfast

- what is you character name?

@Carbon-

You called Nacho a commuter. What is your basis for that?
Also, where did the Penguin speculation come from? 5684

@Red Gyrados-

Have you put forth any claim information?

@Nacho-

Same question.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Why do you want to know character names?

[PeregrineV]

Why do you want to know character names?

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

[AngryPidgeon]

The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

Im mostly just annoyed right now, but I will be quite pleased to lynch scum-Katsuki for botching a claim on me.

I've done a whole bunch of things I wouldn't be able to fake

:/, people improve their scum games.

And how would I know that they are not actually a miller?

If it wasn't for BRO-Desp, I'd be pushing pretty hard for an AP lynch right now. How do you explain their result on AP?

He already called them scum with me. What more did you expect.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Why do you want to know character names?

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

[AngryPidgeon]

No, I mean whoever she watches is a player that scum can't kill (analogous to a doc).

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Tell me all about what mafia power roles exist and dont exist in this game CF. Strongman? Ninja? 4 Roleblockers? Fuck if I know, but Im not going to speculate on what mafia power there is in this role madness setup.

despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

DESPBRO is ALSO

confirming me as town

Could he actually be town though? He spent the entire game trying to find new and interesting ways to paint me as scum and ignoring what's incredibly obvious.

Could CF be town though? He spent the entire game trying to find new and interesting ways to paint me as scum and ignoring overwhelming evidence that I am town and my actions are confirmed.

But it is still possible he is a GF type role that appears as "not a replica" to all cops just like I as a miller appear as a replica to all cops. And then if tracked, he chooses who he supposedly visited.

[PeregrineV]

Why do you want to know character names?

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

[AngryPidgeon]

Why a redirector would target me is LOLOL so lets discount that.

If I were a Redirector, Id have redirected you to Magenta or something.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THERE BE A ROLE THAT'S STRONGER THAN COP ANYWAYS?! THINK ABOUT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY GIVES ALIGNMENT RESULT + ROLE CONFIRMATION OF TOWNIES
Actually the entire claim just seems wack.

The claimed "Even Night" only which makes it way less powerful than you are making it out to be.

It IS possible that AP actioned N2 AS FAKECLAIMING SCUM (ROLE IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE). In that event, he probably roleblocked stalin.

So I roleblocked Stalin. And you delayed my action...but it still wnet through. I guess the other 2 role blockers on my team blocked you and also RG for good measure.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Why do you want to know character names?

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

Or because I targeted someone I can't target because of an age or gender limitation on my targets. Which was my going-in assumption since RG reported also being blocked.

[PeregrineV]

The claimed "Even Night" only which makes it way less powerful than you are making it out to be.

If he gets a result, you are town and he tracks you to a target, but if he gets no result then you are scum.

What's the point of the tracking part?

Taking it a step further, he can't get a result on Carbon (town replica) but would get a false negative?

[AngryPidgeon]

I asked them why and they said it is because they wanted Rancid to gladiate them and didn't want to be active and obvtown so that Rancid chooses someone else. I took this to mean that they had a confirmable or an overall awesome role

Spoiler:

They wanted to be gladiated....so clearly they had an amazing role? Also they were lurking...so clearly they had an amazing role? Ok first of all,

why am I even quoting anr typing up a reply to this.

good on you; they have a roleclaim of a strong role! They are claiming an innocent on me. Why are we talking about how we suspect BRO's roleclaim is going to be of X magnitude when he

already claimed

. For ONCE can we cut the horseshit and actually just lynch scum when it has claimed its alignment?

AP - how come you didn't include CF in your list of investigations?

BECAUSE HES A CLAIMED MILLER. PLESAE CONSULT MY JACKIE CHAN . JPG PICTURE ABOVE THERE. ^^^

[PeregrineV]

Why do you want to know character names?

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

Or because I targeted someone I can't target because of an age or gender limitation on my targets. Which was my going-in assumption since RG reported also being blocked.

Then I guess you would ask Cupcake their age and gender to see if that would be the cause of your role failure. Did I miss that?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Why do you want to know character names?

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

Or because I targeted someone I can't target because of an age or gender limitation on my targets. Which was my going-in assumption since RG reported also being blocked.

Then I guess you would ask Cupcake their age and gender to see if that would be the cause of your role failure. Did I miss that?

With the phenomenal power of google, I was able to conjure that information from nothing but electrons once Katsuki claimed their character name.

[PeregrineV]

You are one of the fab four who are currently unknown.

You can stay that way, but then we start to wonder why.

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

Or because I targeted someone I can't target because of an age or gender limitation on my targets. Which was my going-in assumption since RG reported also being blocked.

Then I guess you would ask Cupcake their age and gender to see if that would be the cause of your role failure. Did I miss that?

With the phenomenal power of google, I was able to conjure that information from nothing but electrons once Katsuki claimed their character name.

Does Cupcake's character contain an age or gender that would be someone you couldn't target?
Secondly, if you already know the answer to the Cupcake question, then why are you bringing up 5744?