Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

It's not even a confirmable role. Gods fuck this game is pissing me off.

I was actually about to post that I can confirm Desperado tracked me to Stalin, but I claimed that shit immediately so I guess I don't have anyway of knowing if they are full of it.

I actually have mild concerns that Katsuki and AP are scum together and this was done with the intent of "confirming" AP should Katsuki flip scum.

Eh, I actually sent Cabd a site message and said "I bet mastin is calling a panda/AP team" isnt she. He just smiled. I can understand the paranoia for this hypothetical AP/team. Katsuki comes out of the shadows and claims a guilty on me effectively when I dont have much towncred anyways. If I were scum, it could make sense to have Katsuki earn some towncred and have me try and distance, before that getting screwed up by BRO's claim on me. But that still involves me being some godlike scum role, which Im not. Basically, the theory falls flat unless you -also- want to assume Desperado is on this (I joked before that we could all 3 be scum together).

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Character names give info about gender and age. I don't plan to claim our character for that reason, since I think some roles (possibly scum roles) need that info to decide who they can effectively target.

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

Or because I targeted someone I can't target because of an age or gender limitation on my targets. Which was my going-in assumption since RG reported also being blocked.

Then I guess you would ask Cupcake their age and gender to see if that would be the cause of your role failure. Did I miss that?

With the phenomenal power of google, I was able to conjure that information from nothing but electrons once Katsuki claimed their character name.

Does Cupcake's character contain an age or gender that would be someone you couldn't target?

I don't know. I just know that the age/gender data is different from the player I was able to target successfully. This is called speculation. The same speculation that drives my reluctance to name my character.

Secondly, if you already know the answer to the Cupcake question, then why are you bringing up 5744?

I can't even fathom a reason for why you ask this. I have a theory. I've collected some data. The data doesn't invalidate my theory, but that doesn't make the theory correct. It's still a theory, and it's still in play in terms of how I'm interpreting the game state. Both theories stand up so far.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nacho asked AP to hydra with him.

Oh well CF asked Tammy to hydra with him so they must also be scum together.

Tammy/CF/Ap/Nacho scumteam 2016, vote for it!! (that would be a swag scumteam though)

Re NK Spec: Did anybody in this game other than me (and maybe Tammy) NOT have a townread on Yggdra? I mean. The kill makes sense purely from a "this player is literally never getting lynched" vantage. And if they were rolecopped on N1, its totally plausible they were killed for being a PR of ??? magnitude.

I think that Mac would be far far more likely to protect Stalin or Kagura or even RBD over me.

He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Oddly, despite my scumteam guess, I came away with more certainty on AP scum after seeing Mastin and Rancid flip town because it felt like they were town that legitimately had a scumread on AP and wanted him dead pretty badly.

Speaking of a constant barrage of ever-changning reasons to scurmead AP opportunistically, this post is pretty goddamn opportunistic. repeatedly call me scum with RBD/mastin over connections and then after they flip town, appeal to authority over their reads? But only some of their reads. Ya fuck that.

[PeregrineV]

According to 5563, they already have you pegged and can effectively target you.

Why else?

Or because I targeted someone I can't target because of an age or gender limitation on my targets. Which was my going-in assumption since RG reported also being blocked.

Then I guess you would ask Cupcake their age and gender to see if that would be the cause of your role failure. Did I miss that?

With the phenomenal power of google, I was able to conjure that information from nothing but electrons once Katsuki claimed their character name.

Does Cupcake's character contain an age or gender that would be someone you couldn't target?

I don't know. I just know that the age/gender data is different from the player I was able to target successfully. This is called speculation. The same speculation that drives my reluctance to name my character.

Secondly, if you already know the answer to the Cupcake question, then why are you bringing up 5744?

I can't even fathom a reason for why you ask this. I have a theory. I've collected some data. The data doesn't invalidate my theory, but that doesn't make the theory correct. It's still a theory, and it's still in play in terms of how I'm interpreting the game state. Both theories stand up so far.

AP targeted you. You claimed your role failed. If your role failed because of an invalid target, then that's different from it failing because you were roleblocked.

[AngryPidgeon]

Confirmed Town (yes you read that right): Stalin, AP

Probably Town: PA, Tammy, JSU, PV

Stale Read / Need to think about: Nacho, Foxhound, Red Gary

Scummy: CarbonFiber, magenta

Scum: PandaExpress

[Breakfast With Sandy]

AP targeted you. You claimed your role failed. If your role failed because of an invalid target, then that's different from it failing because you were roleblocked.

Yes. And? Cupcake claims to have delayed AP's night action. This is a Gordian knot. The solutions to Gordian knots often involve sharp, pointy objects.

As I said earlier there's something in the way that RG phrased his report of being roleblocked that mirrors how my failed results report was phrased. This, plus a roleblocker already having flipped, is the whole reason I started thinking about other possibilities beyond roleblock for our lack of results last night.

Since I'm probably not going to tell you what you want to know (unless something in the game state suggests that it's time to share that info), and you're not going to stop digging for it, I probably won't respond to further posts from you on this subject.

[PeregrineV]

He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. When I got my PM on D1 I figured that would be amazing but never going to happen.

I targeted Kagura on Night 1 and my role failed.

And I am now confirmed to have not visited anyone on Night 1. Bork claimed some crap about my failure being consistent with his view on the game state.

And as I said before, the specific wording that Cabd gave me on N1 suggested to me that I was not specifically roleblocked, rather, failed for ~reasons~ which makes me think they are ascetic or something.

[PeregrineV]

AP targeted you. You claimed your role failed. If your role failed because of an invalid target, then that's different from it failing because you were roleblocked.

Yes. And? Cupcake claims to have delayed AP's night action. This is a Gordian knot. The solutions to Gordian knots often involve sharp, pointy objects.

As I said earlier there's something in the way that RG phrased his report of being roleblocked that mirrors how my failed results report was phrased. This, plus a roleblocker already having flipped, is the whole reason I started thinking about other possibilities beyond roleblock for our lack of results last night.

What post is that (the RG phrase)?
If your limitations are listed in your ability description and you know that Cupcake falls within those criteria, why would you think you were roleblocked?
So after you started thinking of the other possibilities, you re-read your role PM, looked up Cupcake's character name, found him to not fall within your ability criteria, and figured you probably WEREN'T roleblocked?

Since I'm probably not going to tell you what you want to know (unless something in the game state suggests that it's time to share that info), and you're not going to stop digging for it, I probably won't respond to further posts from you on this subject.

You don't have to give your name, obviously.
Do you think I was wrong to request it?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Ok, so Cabd and I have had a conversation about whether my role has target restrictions that weren't made explicit. And the answer is no, that he would make that sort of restriction known to the player in their role PM.

So, I'm going to put aside the idea that there could be internal-to-my-role-mechanics reasons for my action on cupcake failing last night.

I'm still cautious about assuming there are three blocking roles in this game design, though.

@RG

why do you think you were more likely to have been targeted by a town roleblocker than I would have been?

[PeregrineV]

He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. When I got my PM on D1 I figured that would be amazing but never going to happen.

I targeted Kagura on Night 1 and my role failed.

And I am now confirmed to have not visited anyone on Night 1. Bork claimed some crap about my failure being consistent with his view on the game state.

And as I said before, the specific wording that Cabd gave me on N1 suggested to me that I was not specifically roleblocked, rather, failed for ~reasons~ which makes me think they are ascetic or something.

They can't be. Tammy gave them anti-roleblockable powers. If she can target them then why can't you?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Actually with Tammy's claimed role, maybe 3 or more roles that could roleblock isn't out of the question.

[PeregrineV]

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. When I got my PM on D1 I figured that would be amazing but never going to happen.

I targeted Kagura on Night 1 and my role failed.

And I am now confirmed to have not visited anyone on Night 1. Bork claimed some crap about my failure being consistent with his view on the game state.

And as I said before, the specific wording that Cabd gave me on N1 suggested to me that I was not specifically roleblocked, rather, failed for ~reasons~ which makes me think they are ascetic or something.

In the spirit of being the least helpful to you, why would scum allow you to find out NachoBork's alignment over me or Orc?

[AngryPidgeon]

What if Stalin is a Godfather?

Think about it. I was allowed to investigate Stalin. What if Stalin is an Amnesiac Follower Messenger Ninja Roleblocking Godfather role?

What if they blocked CupcakePanda last night and sent a fake message to Carbon Fiber night one in order to set up this amnesiac Follower claim in the future?

We can't be certain that Stalin is actually town. I mean JSU looks town and JSU suspected Stalin on D2! Also Mastin made serveral posts aout how stalin could be scum. I think a lot of mastin's points can be ignored, but the points about stalin were almost all entirely salient. When JSU called CF obvious scum and Stalin kept focusing on that instead of answering CF's penetrating questions...that was probably just blatantly scum motivated from Stalin and would certainly fit with them being a Amnesiac Follower Messenger Ninja Roleblocking Godfather. Maybe Stalin is pretending to be roleblocked tonight even though they actually roleblocked BOTH Rg and Cupcake so that they can make it look even LESS likely that Panda was roleblocked by scum and therefore will be incriminated by all the bullshit going on Today. Why was Stalin so sure RBD was town after they got vig'd? surely only scum would know that such an anti-town player was actually town. RBD was practically confirmed scum, so its pretty suspicious that Ffery could know that. What if Stalin also sent them a message last night with some more fake follower results in it because, as a perfect Godfather, they are capable of viewing the dead thread and posting in it?

Just a thought. Maybe we should consider lynching Stalin today!!!!

[PeregrineV]

Actually with Tammy's claimed role, maybe 3 or more roles that could roleblock isn't out of the question.

Actually, it would. A scumteam of Scum Roleblocker, Scum Roleblocker, Scum Roleblocker, Scum PR seems very........not-Cabd-game.

[Titan]

He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. When I got my PM on D1 I figured that would be amazing but never going to happen.

I targeted Kagura on Night 1 and my role failed.

And I am now confirmed to have not visited anyone on Night 1. Bork claimed some crap about my failure being consistent with his view on the game state.

And as I said before, the specific wording that Cabd gave me on N1 suggested to me that I was not specifically roleblocked, rather, failed for ~reasons~ which makes me think they are ascetic or something.

They can't be. Tammy gave them anti-roleblockable powers. If she can target them then why can't you?

I targetted them before the game started. It wasn't a night action. I had to attach myself to someone in my confirmation email.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

What if Stalin is a Godfather?

Think about it. I was allowed to investigate Stalin. What if Stalin is an Amnesiac Follower Messenger Ninja Roleblocking Godfather role?

What if they blocked CupcakePanda last night and sent a fake message to Carbon Fiber night one in order to set up this amnesiac Follower claim in the future?

We can't be certain that Stalin is actually town. I mean JSU looks town and JSU suspected Stalin on D2! Also Mastin made serveral posts aout how stalin could be scum. I think a lot of mastin's points can be ignored, but the points about stalin were almost all entirely salient. When JSU called CF obvious scum and Stalin kept focusing on that instead of answering CF's penetrating questions...that was probably just blatantly scum motivated from Stalin and would certainly fit with them being a Amnesiac Follower Messenger Ninja Roleblocking Godfather. Maybe Stalin is pretending to be roleblocked tonight even though they actually roleblocked BOTH Rg and Cupcake so that they can make it look even LESS likely that Panda was roleblocked by scum and therefore will be incriminated by all the bullshit going on Today. Why was Stalin so sure RBD was town after they got vig'd? surely only scum would know that such an anti-town player was actually town. RBD was practically confirmed scum, so its pretty suspicious that Ffery could know that. What if Stalin also sent them a message last night with some more fake follower results in it because, as a perfect Godfather, they are capable of viewing the dead thread and posting in it?

Just a thought. Maybe we should consider lynching Stalin today!!!!

You forgot my highly suspicious ability to use google search and get back meaningful search results.

[PeregrineV]

What if Stalin is a Godfather?

Think about it. I was allowed to investigate Stalin. What if Stalin is an Amnesiac Follower Messenger Ninja Roleblocking Godfather role?

What if they blocked CupcakePanda last night and sent a fake message to Carbon Fiber night one in order to set up this amnesiac Follower claim in the future?

We can't be certain that Stalin is actually town. I mean JSU looks town and JSU suspected Stalin on D2! Also Mastin made serveral posts aout how stalin could be scum. I think a lot of mastin's points can be ignored, but the points about stalin were almost all entirely salient. When JSU called CF obvious scum and Stalin kept focusing on that instead of answering CF's penetrating questions...that was probably just blatantly scum motivated from Stalin and would certainly fit with them being a Amnesiac Follower Messenger Ninja Roleblocking Godfather. Maybe Stalin is pretending to be roleblocked tonight even though they actually roleblocked BOTH Rg and Cupcake so that they can make it look even LESS likely that Panda was roleblocked by scum and therefore will be incriminated by all the bullshit going on Today. Why was Stalin so sure RBD was town after they got vig'd? surely only scum would know that such an anti-town player was actually town. RBD was practically confirmed scum, so its pretty suspicious that Ffery could know that. What if Stalin also sent them a message last night with some more fake follower results in it because, as a perfect Godfather, they are capable of viewing the dead thread and posting in it?

Just a thought. Maybe we should consider lynching Stalin today!!!!

You forgot my highly suspicious ability to use google search and get back meaningful search results.

If your tracking failed, does the message fail too, or is the message "You have no results." sent out?

[The Fox and the Hound]

Arthur had DV/Ceph as scum on day one due to his buddying of me. They're someone I wanted to reread as day one when I started to think that rancid and mastin were town, I thought that scum were town reading me. DV usually scum reads me when he's scum or throws up fake paranoia, but they seem a little too sure that I'm town.

Hi, I'm Cephrir, and this figuratively happens to me every single game. If it's any consolation I'm down to a mere ~95% at this point!

I don't understand this sentence.

I almost always have one very strong townread. That townread figuratively always gets paranoid on me for townreading them so hard whilst not being one of the ~select few who is allowed to townread them really hard~. Actually the only time I recall this not happening was also the time I was wrong.

Also, with regards to where Ceph placed his attention, I felt he gave me most of his attention.

And you think that was a good place for Ceph's attention given the game state?

Y'all attribute a lot more conscious decision making to me than I ever actually exhibit.

Rancid wanted to lynch The Fox and The Hound as well as AP citing Cephrir as a "flow-busser" who would bus if the flow went against his teammates. That makes me wonder about AP/Fox team.

You lost me pretty badly here.

Muffin claimed that your scum playstyle is similar to his meaning that you don't bus straight up but bus if the need arises which he termed as "flow-bussing." He said he voted for Hawk to see if you follow the vote and that you did and he concluded that you were scum from it. I'll pull the link in a bit.

Oh, that's right. I think that's a pretty fair analysis of my scum game. But it's kind of a moot point seeing as AP is town. Not to mention, it was DV's thing, and though he does like to check I haven't actually told him not to do something a single time the entire game.

[The Fox and the Hound]

PV, why are you so worried about the exact mechanics of ffery's role? I don't even see why these questions matter.

[Nachomamma8]

In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?

No. Not at all.

Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.

Also, on night 1, I learned that "

AP did not do anything.

" Not sure how relevant this is but I thought I'd out.

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[PeregrineV]

He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. When I got my PM on D1 I figured that would be amazing but never going to happen.

I targeted Kagura on Night 1 and my role failed.

And I am now confirmed to have not visited anyone on Night 1. Bork claimed some crap about my failure being consistent with his view on the game state.

And as I said before, the specific wording that Cabd gave me on N1 suggested to me that I was not specifically roleblocked, rather, failed for ~reasons~ which makes me think they are ascetic or something.

They can't be. Tammy gave them anti-roleblockable powers. If she can target them then why can't you?

I targetted them before the game started. It wasn't a night action. I had to attach myself to someone in my confirmation email.

Then it seems Nacho should really claim at this point if he hasn't already.

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho asked AP to hydra with him.

Oh well CF asked Tammy to hydra with him so they must also be scum together.

Tammy/CF/Ap/Nacho scumteam 2016, vote for it!! (that would be a swag scumteam though)

Re NK Spec: Did anybody in this game other than me (and maybe Tammy) NOT have a townread on Yggdra? I mean. The kill makes sense purely from a "this player is literally never getting lynched" vantage. And if they were rolecopped on N1, its totally plausible they were killed for being a PR of ??? magnitude.

I think that Mac would be far far more likely to protect Stalin or Kagura or even RBD over me.

He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Oddly, despite my scumteam guess, I came away with more certainty on AP scum after seeing Mastin and Rancid flip town because it felt like they were town that legitimately had a scumread on AP and wanted him dead pretty badly.

Speaking of a constant barrage of ever-changning reasons to scurmead AP opportunistically, this post is pretty goddamn opportunistic. repeatedly call me scum with RBD/mastin over connections and then after they flip town, appeal to authority over their reads? But only some of their reads. Ya fuck that.

You were the star scumread of Mastin though for most of the game. I'm not going to ignore that someone who knows you well and can read you was consistently convinced you were scum for the majority of the game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cupcake is confscum? Better mass claim!!!!!

No really guys were being very productive today continue with mass claim.

[Nachomamma8]

You were the star scumread of Mastin though for most of the game. I'm not going to ignore that someone who knows you well and can read you was consistently convinced you were scum for the majority of the game.

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