Tales of You (Endgame)

[Just Sheep Us]

Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

No Desp, keep letting Tammy conflate our play styles into an amalgamation that makes 0 sense, because it amuses me.

It also shouldn't be hard to tell us apart, but people can't tell me/AP apart based on writing style so...

[CarbonFiber]

That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

Scum are probably among penguin/RG/Fox/Cupcake/Magenta.
I think Penguin currently looks the towniest out of that entire group.

And Cupcake decides to all of a sudden think "Hey, let me try to fake-claim results on AP to get him lynched!"

[Just Sheep Us]

The only thing I didn't like about this was that you didn't continue to engage me about it until we came to some sort of meeting of the minds or you pushed me like I was an actual scumread.But, you sat like a log in ny 169 while scumreading me, so even though I don't like how you did this, I can see it from town-you.

this was your response:

also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

I've been exercising extreme restraint for days now, thinking that I had a bias problem going on. I may have a bias problem but I don't care any more. I'm not going to spend any more time rereading, rethinking, reconsidering, or trying to understand other players' reads on mastinssk.

I'm done.

It doesn't really matter when I vote. I doubt very seriously my vote will go anywhere else today.

[Titan]

Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

Guess it was awesome you cleared it up when I first misinterpreted it.

Oh wait.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

The only thing I didn't like about this was that you didn't continue to engage me about it until we came to some sort of meeting of the minds or you pushed me like I was an actual scumread.But, you sat like a log in ny 169 while scumreading me, so even though I don't like how you did this, I can see it from town-you.

this was your response:

also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

I've been exercising extreme restraint for days now, thinking that I had a bias problem going on. I may have a bias problem but I don't care any more. I'm not going to spend any more time rereading, rethinking, reconsidering, or trying to understand other players' reads on mastinssk.

I'm done.

It doesn't really matter when I vote. I doubt very seriously my vote will go anywhere else today.

Which got nothing back from you.

[CarbonFiber]

And is still calling you scum.

And you see this as town thought process?

Yes, I do. I see it more likely that CF would be unwilling to let go of his last major scumread from Day 1 as opposed to CF-scum trying to strongarm someone who is, for all intensive purposes, confirmed town.

It is not that he is my last major scumread. It is that Mastin and Rancid flipping town was a wake up call and I realized that they wanted AP dead all along. If one of Mastin/Rancid flipped town, I wouldn't have gone after the other because they said that the other was town. But BOTH flipping town and telling us to get AP dead? That only increased my suspicion rather than throw me off.

[Just Sheep Us]

Tammy, what part of this do you not understand.

This is Bro. This is the player who uses gap logic to force other players to make inferences. Call it shitty all you like, but it caught mastin in AG, and it caught Mala in Wicked. Hell, AD used it to catch F-16 in AoT, as well, so it's not like this isn't a thing that you've seen be effective.

Desp is the player who intentionally manipulates town/scum meta to avoid NKs.

As a hydra, we're doing two different things, coming from two different players, who write in completely different ways. Ways that should make it glaringly obvious who's posting at any given moment.

[Just Sheep Us]

And yeah when someone says he says he's amused at the way scum is trying to set him up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread, that's what it says to me. If I misinterpreted, it would have been super easy, when you got annoyed, to go hey Tammy you misinterpreted that, maybe falcon could have too, but no one did.And quite frankly when I already suspect you and am worried you're the one manipulating the neighborhood and I hear you're saying someone else is setting you up for a town flip, who fuvking does that?, you don't think it's likely I'm going to think the person I already suspect of manipulating the neighborhood is pushing a town lynch and is using the neighborhood to set up the next one through that?

i just did, the 2nd time you made the mistake.

if you're so familiar with my scum game i literally have no idea why you're so gung ho about me being the one manipulating the neighborhood. for one thing, both of the games you are using as reference we me lurking like a fucking boss all game, and now you're using those games as evidence for how i'm masterminding a neighborhood with nacho, falcon, and piegif in it???

get real

[Just Sheep Us]

Which got nothing back from you.

what did you need? you already knew where i stood on mastin.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

And is still calling you scum.

And you see this as town thought process?

Yes, I do. I see it more likely that CF would be unwilling to let go of his last major scumread from Day 1 as opposed to CF-scum trying to strongarm someone who is, for all intensive purposes, confirmed town.

It is not that he is my last major scumread. It is that Mastin and Rancid flipping town was a wake up call and I realized that they wanted AP dead all along. If one of Mastin/Rancid flipped town, I wouldn't have gone after the other because they said that the other was town. But BOTH flipping town and telling us to get AP dead? That only increased my suspicion rather than throw me off.

And all the corroboration of his claimed night actions/results fit where in this?

[Titan]

Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

No Desp, keep letting Tammy conflate our play styles into an amalgamation that makes 0 sense, because it amuses me.

It also shouldn't be hard to tell us apart, but people can't tell me/AP apart based on writing style so...

I *can* tell you apart when I want to.

Addressing you as a hydra is just easier.

I know it's you who voted me. I know it's you who's up in arms that I dare listen to penguins pretty reasonable reasons for you bring town. I know it's des I was talking to today.

[Nachomamma8]

That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

Scum are probably among penguin/RG/Fox/Cupcake/Magenta.
I think Penguin currently looks the towniest out of that entire group.

And Cupcake decides to all of a sudden think "Hey, let me try to fake-claim results on AP to get him lynched!"

Why not, exactly? Mislynch pool is shrinking if that's the scumteam.
They essentially have AP to mislynch, me to mislynch (lol), and...? Katsuki might feel he has room to squirm after AP's flip, considering his anti-town meta, and he also might feel like railroading the lynch onto AP as opposed to risking scumbuddy getting lynched is worth it.

[Nachomamma8]

I think it's stupid to go "oh, Katsuki wouldn't fakeclaim like this" when you have DesBro OR AP needing to be liars in order to call Katsuki town and one of those possibilities is out of play due to being extremely town and the other possibility is out of play because of a clear (that's not just a cop clear or a no result = town) and having night actions corroborated by two separate people on two separate occasions.

[Just Sheep Us]

ap
stalin
falcon
nacho
titan
peregrinev

----------------- <--------- line of lynchability

penguin_alien
red gyarados
fox and the hound

magenta_thegreat
cupcake panda

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Which got nothing back from you.

what did you need? you already knew where i stood on mastin.

effort at sorting me, your scum read, whom you had just accused of lacking scumreads would have been nice. Or engaging me about my PoE list.

It's been pretty frustrating. I like to work with townreads and understand their perspective of the game state, regardless of their current read on me.

[Just Sheep Us]

effort at sorting me, your scum read, whom you had just accused of lacking scumreads would have been nice. Or engaging me about my PoE list.It's been pretty frustrating. I like to work with townreads and understand their perspective of the game state, regardless of their current read on me.

i didn't think you were scum

[Just Sheep Us]

i was frustrated with what i perceived to be you dragging your feet (despite your hydra partner having a hard scumread on mastin before waffling on it) and i wanted you to take a stand on something

[Titan]

And yeah when someone says he says he's amused at the way scum is trying to set him up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread, that's what it says to me. If I misinterpreted, it would have been super easy, when you got annoyed, to go hey Tammy you misinterpreted that, maybe falcon could have too, but no one did.And quite frankly when I already suspect you and am worried you're the one manipulating the neighborhood and I hear you're saying someone else is setting you up for a town flip, who fuvking does that?, you don't think it's likely I'm going to think the person I already suspect of manipulating the neighborhood is pushing a town lynch and is using the neighborhood to set up the next one through that?

i just did, the 2nd time you made the mistake.

if you're so familiar with my scum game i literally have no idea why you're so gung ho about me being the one manipulating the neighborhood. for one thing, both of the games you are using as reference we me lurking like a fucking boss all game, and now you're using those games as evidence for how i'm masterminding a neighborhood with nacho, falcon, and piegif in it???

get real

I'm not really familiar with your scum game or maybe I wouldn't give you a pass when you're scum. Though in charmed I town read your brother for sounding nothing like too many heads. And I did come around to a scum read on you in the reckoning, but I had you as town in asoiaf.

I do thi bro is capable of manipulating a game/neighborhood.

Also, my point is after two wait three games where you were scum and I had you as town at certain points, and then you're in here behaving very similarly to your scum games, and saying you're behaving that way in the neighborhood, why wouldn't you recognize why I would be suspicious of you? Why is it oh she's setting me up? Why isn't it oh I'm behaving similarly to my scum game she's probably picking up those vibes?

Because you can't have it both ways. You either aren't being transparent and then can understand why I'd be concerned or you are being transparent and I'm the jerk who can't read you.

[Just Sheep Us]

I do thi bro is capable of manipulating a game/neighborhood.

bro basically has not posted since his in thread breakdown

[Just Sheep Us]

Also, my point is after two wait three games where you were scum and I had you as town at certain points, and then you're in here behaving very similarly to your scum games, and saying you're behaving that way in the neighborhood, why wouldn't you recognize why I would be suspicious of you? Why is it oh she's setting me up? Why isn't it oh I'm behaving similarly to my scum game she's probably picking up those vibes?

because i had my head stuck in the sand

[AngryPidgeon]

Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

No Desp, keep letting Tammy conflate our play styles into an amalgamation that makes 0 sense, because it amuses me.

It also shouldn't be hard to tell us apart, but people can't tell me/AP apart based on writing style so...

To be fair; we are the same person minus the leather.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

i was frustrated with what i perceived to be you dragging your feet (despite your hydra partner having a hard scumread on mastin before waffling on it) and i wanted you to take a stand on something

Ok.

Though IMO I took plenty of public stands on players despite having mush at the bottom of my PoE list.

[CarbonFiber]

And is still calling you scum.

And you see this as town thought process?

Yes, I do. I see it more likely that CF would be unwilling to let go of his last major scumread from Day 1 as opposed to CF-scum trying to strongarm someone who is, for all intensive purposes, confirmed town.

It is not that he is my last major scumread. It is that Mastin and Rancid flipping town was a wake up call and I realized that they wanted AP dead all along. If one of Mastin/Rancid flipped town, I wouldn't have gone after the other because they said that the other was town. But BOTH flipping town and telling us to get AP dead? That only increased my suspicion rather than throw me off.

And all the corroboration of his claimed night actions/results fit where in this?

They are curently sitting in the lolcabdgame bin.

[Just Sheep Us]

Though IMO I took plenty of public stands on players despite having mush at the bottom of my PoE list.

and unfortunately most of those stances were in direct opposition to mine so i didn't want to hear it

[Just Sheep Us]

They are curently sitting in the lolcabdgame bin.

this shit is getting really old