Tales of You (Dead zone)

[pieguyn]

I've actually done that before and it was in LYLO

fortunately we ended up winning

[zMuffinMan]

i have trouble seeing a scenario in which JSU are town

BRO's reads are just

so fucking awful this game

his read on me

his read on mastin

and now his read on katsuki

it doesn't make any sense

BRO is a really good town player and i do not think his reads could be this bad as town

he's got to be scum

and nacho, too

holy shit

the only way your entire neighbourhood wasn't scum is if by some miracle F16 is actually town and even that is really questionable

i think they could very well be scum together

[zMuffinMan]

like i know that's a BoP argument but

i dunno

it's very hard to see either nacho or JSU as town given how unbelievably shit theyre playing

i've never seen BRO have bad reads. he brags about how good his town game is and how people should sheep him

there's no way he can be town here

i just... don't believe a universe could exist where BRO's reads are this bad as town

[pieguyn]

I could potentially see Nacho as scum but I really don't think he is especially given he's been on tilt a lot recently. maybe I'm biased because I was also scumreading both you and mastin

for F-16 to be scum he'd have to have massively stepped up him being able to fake transparency. in particular, I thought the bit about him trying to work together on D2 or wherever in particular seemed transparent as well as what happened re: Tammy. I also liked the way he went about his defense of PV. there was more but those are the ones I remember atm

although there were some things where I still don't get where they're coming from (for example, him townreading me based off like 1 post in the neighborhood, but even that can probably be attributed to town frustration and being relieved someone finally sees the same thing he did), I still think I was able to follow most of the things he did

I'm wondering why you think F-16 is likely scum 0.0

[pieguyn]

also cabd is definitely trolling me

he started blatantly lying to me on skype about the game state

list of lies cabd made:

1. Katsuki scumclaimed
2. F-16 and stalin both have results that prove AP's claim

I guess he thought I wasn't keeping up with the thread \:D/

[pieguyn]

although..............

uh oh

holy fucking shit

last post in the neighbor QT was

by BROseidon View the latest post
Thu May 08, 2014 5:26 pm

>24hrs ago................



FUCK MY LIFE NOW I CAN'T UNSEE IT

[zMuffinMan]

F16 wanted to work together to mislynch mastin? and that made you think he was town?

[zMuffinMan]

I also liked the way he went about his defense of PV

tbh it felt really unnatural in a way that reeked of white knighting

[zMuffinMan]

like i don't believe town-F16 would really think PV had done anything that looked particularly town and at least not enough that he had a strong enough town read that he wanted to defend him to the grave

also i think he was using the white knighting of PV to push PV's attackers (like me and mastin)

very good but very common scum tactic from F16

[zMuffinMan]

also i dunno. i mean when i'm scum i try to make the things i do easy to follow. i try to make reads/actions/etc consistent so that, at the very least, if anyone ISOs me i won't be contradicting myself (or i will have a good explanation for any contradictions that occur)

this seems like the basics of the basics in terms of scum play

so being able to follow F16's logic doesn't mean a lot

look at the things he says in thread and the way he acts towards JSU/nacho/stalin

it really looks like scum-scum interactions

[pieguyn]

not the mastin lynch in particular but him coming to the conclusion he was being too stubborn about his reads and trying to work with ppl to help fix that

although in the end everyone lynched mastin anyway so

like i don't believe town-F16 would really think PV had done anything that looked particularly town and at least not enough that he had a strong enough town read that he wanted to defend him to the grave

also i think he was using the white knighting of PV to push PV's attackers (like me and mastin)

very good but very common scum tactic from F16

I'm ultra biased here bc he defended the shit out of me in NY169 and I did think PV was kind of town

like it felt like PV was at least trying to do shit and scumhunt, and was open about posting stuff that he did find. but I kind of lost that feeling a bit on D2 when he was pushing Tammy and I was just like (......wat)

and sometimes I defend ppl ultra hard when I feel they're town, an easy mislynch, and that scum is pushing on them

[pieguyn]

-> "......wat"
how the hell did that happen o.o

the thing I remember from him in AOT is that I really had no idea what he was trying to do the entire game. this is also smth Empire told me - when he's scum it feels like it's playing a movie with a bunch of scenes cut out and you can't follow his thought processes

like I don't remember him being transparent in all in that game

[zMuffinMan]

i think he wasn't in that game for long enough, really

like he was in it for... less than a week? before replacing out

[zMuffinMan]

also i dunno he managed to fool people in that wicked game. he seems competent enough at scum to fool this player list

[pieguyn]

oh great now I'm wondering exactly what the hell Ghatokaca's avatar is and where their name came from

[pieguyn]

LOL HOLY SHIT

I just realized if we count anti-town/3rd party games your anti-town winrate is 50% (4/8)

and mine is also 50% (2/4)

....................

I think this proves winrate is pretty conclusively shit (this coming from someone who believes any game is winnable through sheer willpower and until just now believed entirely in results regardless of how many ppl disagreed with me )

[Natirasha]

I have an 18% town win rate!

[pieguyn]

rofl

mine is like 50 or 55% although that's counting FEA where I replaced in on the last day after the game was solved already lolol. I've been wanting to get it above 60% bc #yolo. that, and there's something awesome about getting into the next tens digit

also I need more games to join. I'm only in 1 game atm

[pieguyn]

also I think the neighborhood has hit 1000 posts by now

I think we might have the record for the longest neighborhood on MS. that'd be fucking hilarious especially if all the other ppl in it are scum

[zMuffinMan]

Well both times i was third party i got screwed pretty hard (as sk, cop guiltied because scum wouldn't role block the claimed cop and lotr had unlynchable scum) and 519 was lol because the other scum faction killed me n1 and my partner forgot he was scum so didn't submit the kill that would have made it 2:1:1 and got lynched at 3:1:1

169 was prob the first game i was responsible for losing and my play was pretty shit there

[zMuffinMan]

I dunno my win rate is fairly average as both alignments but I tend not to care so much about winning as what I could have done differently to play better

the multiscum game i looked too town and got cross killed. 169 I got really lazy. 1543 I didn't take a step back to consider possibilities. Most other games though i don't think there was much i could do to change the outcome

[zMuffinMan]

actually n's large and open526 I coulda put more effort in earlier and open541 I shoulda been more aggressive in pushing reads but yeah

[mastin2]

Also, quit discrediting me. It seems like instead of letting me figure stuff out, you are creating a massive distraction by making fun of the notion of figuring stuff out.

You and I really would be synching up today QUITE well, F-16, given how I already called Nacho out on having done just that to you.

THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER LYNCH MASTIN. If she's scum, she's designed her lynch to be in her team's favor, ironically HURTING the town by lynching scum rather than rewarding them.
If she's town, then aside from lynching a town player, you've ALSO lynched one of THE best players at picking up on little oddities like that, calling them out, and also at synching up players.

*grumble, grumble, gripe, gripe*

Let that be a note to all town players.
Assume Mastin is town until given STRONG reason to think otherwise. Not only will you be right more often than wrong, but it'll help both your own sanity and hers. The benefits from working together with her will be MASSIVE. (And that applies even if it's ultimately revealed she's scum, too, btw.)

NACHO TAMMY, AP, PV, JSU : THIS IS MY HRAI!

Oh, hey, 3/5 scum, not too bad!
...Oh. Wait. Shit. Wrong list.

Very, very bad.

I feel like the huge arguments and walls - not just between CF and Titan, but day after day - RBD, Mastin, AP - the focus is always on the noise. And I feel like that has been to the advantage of scum.

Thus why my lynch was bullshit since it didn't make things better; it made them worse.

Also, if you combined this logic with the Fox/Hound argument that Kats lurking to victory is possible only with noise, then you realize...yep! That Katsuki is town.

I also refuse to believe an entire wagons worth of dumbfucks could possibly believe that I would play like this as scum. It literally makes 0 fucking sense.

Welcome to my life this game.

No I just give up fuck this game.

Seriously, welcome to my life this fucking game.

He's getting back at me for Anything Goes anyways.

Yeah. Like I said. My ITYS score went up. I can't claim a full point for that, but I'm claiming half a point at the very least for having predicted that yesterday, just with the wrong circumstances.

Pretty much the basis of today and my lynch has been that I'm a terrible scum player, and that I have 0 idea how to play as scum and would play as suboptimally as humanly possible.

JOIN THE FUCKING MISERY CLUB, KATSUKI. Let's party in this damn PT, because this is EXACTLY what I was saying.

I've been so tied up with my crusade of AP that I really never did ask: for those who want me dead, who are my buddies?

A valid effort, Kats, but a wasted one. I tried asking the same question myself. It didn't go over so well.

As much as I hate talking about associative tells without a flip I think he's pretty much claiming scum at this point.

Yep, just like I did!

...

/will again read recent content soon.

[zMuffinMan]

The private topic system's major flaw over QTs

Mastin can quote everything on game and continue walking here

*shakes fist angrily*

Damn you, town, for sending mastin to us

[mastin2]

are they seriously fucking lynching katsuki

AP IS SCUM AS FUCK AND NO PR RESULT WILL CHANGE THAT. THERE IS LITERALLY NO SITUATION THAT MAKES SENSE WHERE AP ISN'T SCUM

This. So fucking much, this.

i have trouble seeing a scenario in which JSU are town
BRO's reads are just
so fucking awful this game
his read on me
his read on mastin
and now his read on katsuki
it doesn't make any sense
BRO is a really good town player and i do not think his reads could be this bad as town

The sad thing is, I USED to believe this.

Used to.

Then House Party happened.

Nacho, on the other hand?
Nacho, fuck yeah, scumbag.

We know for sure there's at least one scum in the neighborhood, but I sincerely doubt it's two or all three. (It WOULD be hilarious, since I actually predicted three scum in it, if you recall--way back on D1, I predicted the "Terrible Trio" as I later called them were all scum, with just NachoBork as town in there. Butyeah, F-16 at the very least is town. Leaving the question as, "Nacho, JSU, or both?" And I say Nacho.)