League of Legends (Old)

[BROseidon]

then that's not an inherent flaw of the champion. that's just you being bad.

Yeah sure sure. I'm sure people getting hit by a madlife hook are bad as well.

Uh...

Madlife hook doesn't really apply to the laning phase. Also, Madlife landing the Madlife hook is him severely outplaying his opponents.

[Saki]

I think all the plat+ support mains on MS will agree that Sona is very powerful. Everyone sans Iec/Quadz who's talked so far doesn't know what they're talking about.

Iec described the play pattern, except there's also a lot of holes for free harass you can take against most ADCs/supports if you know how to time harass during attack animations, use minions, etc. The issue is yeah, you can't really do full-on trading, but if you're playing Sona right, every time you harass, it's basically free.

According to LoLking, she's the second highest win rate support right now, and I know where she ranks by Riot's internal numbers (which tend to be slightly different)

don't feed in lane
land good flashults
get sightstone, mikaels, and upgraded sweeper and don't forget to use all of them appropriately

if you do those three things as Sona and you lose your team is bad

[Saki]

am I the only one that builds chalice before boots when I play sona

[BROseidon]

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

[Saki]

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

i don't like mobis on mages

makes them even squishier than they're supposed to be when the passive is down
and really sorcs or ionians are 10x better
hell I'd take tabi or mercs over mobis


on hard cc supports or junglers it's a different story

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

Pray tell how ms makes harass

stronger

?

[BROseidon]

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

Pray tell how ms makes harass

stronger

?

The bonus MS gives you a lot more opportunities to get harass in.

[BROseidon]

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

i don't like mobis on mages

makes them even squishier than they're supposed to be when the passive is down
and really sorcs or ionians are 10x better
hell I'd take tabi or mercs over mobis


on hard cc supports or junglers it's a different story

I dunno.

I *really* like being able to fly around the map.

[GreyICE]

So you stand out of range of Morg Q, but you consistently harass your opponents?

/shitthat'smadeup

[Saki]

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

Pray tell how ms makes harass

stronger

?

way easier to harass and initiate

I like early mobilities on Sona to make harass even stronger.

i don't like mobis on mages

makes them even squishier than they're supposed to be when the passive is down
and really sorcs or ionians are 10x better
hell I'd take tabi or mercs over mobis


on hard cc supports or junglers it's a different story

I dunno.

I *really* like being able to fly around the map.

get chalice
spam E on cooldown while walking around

np
(more effective with ionians btw)

So you stand out of range of Morg Q, but you consistently harass your opponents?

/shitthat'smadeup

behind an allied minion = out of range of morg Q
and honestly if you can't dodge a max range binding with nothing else to do in lane as a support you suck

and btw Sona harassing doesn't really depend on the enemy support but rather the enemy adc and your adc

if your adc wants to cs and only cs, just step back and be really safe (don't even bother with Q-powerchord, just Q and leave)

if their adc is something like Lucian or Quinn that can take off half your health bar when you go to Q then don't fucking do it while he's not occupied taking a cs or something


and you just really need an adc that fits the whole theme of 'poke them to hell' like Caitlyn/Varus and maybe Ashe
(not, mind you, fucking Twitch or Vayne)

[RayFrost]

I think all the plat+ support mains on MS will agree that Sona is very powerful.

This is correct.

Sona's ult is still one of the best teamfighting ultimates in the game, sona's presence in the laning phase is massive, and sona is a fairly effective pick into the likes of morgana and thresh given the fact their key abilities rely on having a wide open swath to hit from. It's not that morg / thresh are bad at landing hooks, it's that sona's kit allows her to make sure the hooks never become an issue. She CAN hide in the minion wave, she has range to back off if they walk up, etc.

At six, thresh's potential in the lane is actually significantly weaker than sona's. Thresh ult: if you walk into this thing you will take dmgs and a slow (solution: don't walk into walls). I probably used all of my cd's to get you inside this thing to begin with. Sona ult: if I hit this wide aoe ability on you, you'll take dmgs and be stunned (solution: don't stand in range or be a god and flash right when she casts it to avoid the hit). And I have high base damage and other cooldowns up to punish you during this time.

The reason you rarely see her is the fact that it doesn't fit the "meta" to play her. The increase in carry jungle picks that are squishy increases the need to have a tanky front liner, like thresh or leona, to balance out the team's softness. With the changes to feral flare decreasing the number of carryjungle picks, options like sona / zyra become more viable. The only people playing sona right now are people that are really really really really comfortable with her because they're still able to do the plays and their large experience with sona make up for being squishy (aka: really good positioning, mechanics, and itemization).

Add that to the fact that low elo players tend to have really bad positioning that is easily punished by the all in style (but not by the poke style), and you'll almost always see annie/morgana/thresh/leona in silver / bronze (I'd think that gold is the point where people that play support might experiment with other things, but I haven't played against enough golds recently to know).

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I like karma b/c you punish their bad position with epic damages (mantra Q), and it's completely safe. If you fk it up and do your thing while they DONT have bad positioning you don't lose lane b/c of it .

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My 2 cents on Braum thus far. From what I've played/seen thus far he works really good with mobile ADCs and has a really hard time with immobile ADCs.

Lucian/Braum lane is beyond broken.

[BROseidon]

get chalice
spam E on cooldown while walking around

np
(more effective with ionians btw)

Do you max E before W, because I don't see the MS gained from the 15% CDR being worth more than the bonus that mobi boots give otherwise.

Also, I do go chalice after boots2, and the time b/w getting those is usually fairly marginal.

[BROseidon]

So you stand out of range of Morg Q, but you consistently harass your opponents?

/shitthat'smadeup

You don't "consistently" harass with Sona. That's a surefire way to waste a bunch of Qs on minions and run yourself OOM.

You take Q's and Q+Power Chord when openings arise. When you don't have openings, there's no need to be in front of your ADC. When there are openings, you are probably behind minions.

[BROseidon]

way easier to harass and initiate

On this point:

I think that lower-level players broadly undervalue how much MS boosts increase your damage output and trade potential.

[BROseidon]

(There's a reason that Cait went from top-tier ADC to never played in competitive at one point b/c of a 5 MS nerf)

[BROseidon]

Also, AP and I have been running MF+Sona to huge success. The ult combo is very strong.

[PJ.]

So wait, A bunch of low silver and bronze people are screaming about how a champ is underpowered while a bunch of plats and diamonds are screaming at them and telling them they are wrong? Man, I love MS.

[Oversoul]

Also, AP and I have been running MF+Sona to huge success. The ult combo is very strong.

I was actually going to make a post about this.

With my duo partner we never lose lane with this combo.
Another combo I like is Corki + Leona.

Does anyone else have adc + support combos that synergize well?

[quadz08]

Caitlin + Ashe

[BROseidon]

So wait, A bunch of low silver and bronze people are screaming about how a champ is underpowered while a bunch of plats and diamonds are screaming at them and telling them they are wrong? Man, I love MS.

We're not screaming at them as much as explaining why she's strong.

[BROseidon]

Also, AP and I have been running MF+Sona to huge success. The ult combo is very strong.

I was actually going to make a post about this.

With my duo partner we never lose lane with this combo.
Another combo I like is Corki + Leona.

Does anyone else have adc + support combos that synergize well?

MF+Sona
Corki+Leona
Ezreal+Leona
Jinx+Morgana
Jinx+Thresh
Cait+Anything that pokes
Graves+Taric
Graves+Leona
Graves+Annie
Ashe+Janna
Kog+Janna
Vayne+Alistar
Vayne+Lulu
Urgot+Raka (RIP Urgot)

[quadz08]

Cait+Anything that pokes

see my suggestion was totally viable

[DeathNote]

How's Braum?