Mini 1567 - Such Unusual Pretermen... ...Evil Too!

[geists]

bussidying? Is that a portmanteau of bussng and buddying with a bit of dying mixed in?

I like the word.

Are you talking about the players who haven't posted in a few days?

[Formerfish]

Also, you guys aren't picking shit for me. Just saying.

Pedit- buddying and bussing yes. And yes the people who haven't been active. I like you geists, I wouldn't say a thing against you right now.

[Cho]

I didn't realize how long it had been since I had posted here. I remembered posting the other night and thought I had gotten to everything, but it must have been somewhere else. I was... mildly inebriated.

[Formerfish]

Cho- If you felt this way about my case, why wait til now to vote?

NS- mostly the same question. You had your vote on me til now. Why did it take you this long to switch?

Kagami- why you vote parkin bro? You still think I'm scum? I'm still waiting for you to come correct.

At everyone it seems like we have a lot of vts here. Anyone else play we the purple? I'm a bit drunk now and can't remember. That game had a mechanic where vts were transformed into PRS each night. I am now officially suspect of LC and NS since one has claimed to have a role prior to my visit and the other is claiming a worse version of my role.

Paranoia is strong in me right now. I would like to finish the mass claim before anything else happens. Failure to do so will result in great anger.

[Nobody Special]

I was mainly tunneling you. You presented a valid-sounding case on Zeph that convinced me to switch. I doubt you're bussing, so I guess you can be town for now.

I did not play We the Purple.

[Juls]

I am VT as well. It is part of the reason I got an early town read on kagami since she pointed out her role had nothing to do with her pick. I sent in 4 names in order of preference:
Daenerys Targaryen
Lord Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish
Tyrion Lannister
Melisandre

Who's left?

[Empking]

Vote Count Twenty-Two: Did you know Zeph is being replaced? I meant ye to.

Zephyrus (4) - Juls, Belisarius, Cho, Nobody Special
Kagami (3) - geists, FormerFish, LoudmouthLee
FormerFish (1) - Kagami

Not Voting: Zephyrus, MTD, Lowercase

With Eleven alive, it is Six to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-17 13:57:32)

[LoudmouthLee]

You are acting as if that was a closed case without room for doubt.
You mostly went through his posts and said there were empty, and then took out the hammer and said it was probably scum because there was a possible scum motivation for it.
Then there are two posts in which you actually point out something that I agree is bad, however you say yourself that it might be "idiocy" in the first of them, while on the second one it might just as well be inexperience (assuming scum wouldn't be expected to hammer their buddy).
That's not really enough for me to lynch someone before they can claim.
Also what the hell do we gain from not waiting for him anyway? We only loose information.

That said, I do like the Zeph wagon more than the other, but they both don't really feel right to me, so I will definitely wait for now.

I have problems reading LML at the moment, because I really don't like his style right now and that just makes getting a neutral impression on him difficult.
I do agree some things that were said were WIFOM, I do agree that they don't mean much in that light, but you really don't know current meta if you think people are necessarily scum for that. Also to me it seems to be at least as stupid to just be sure that there is

no

vig in a setup when there is probably a gunsmith as assuming there is one. And

that

really isn't WIFOMing the mod, it's basic common sense (though I do agree that now that we know there is another role with a gun that doesn't seem as probable anymore).
And why did you even get to assume there is a fucking

cult

in this game?

Firstly, I humbly apologize if I'm coming across in an odd fashion. I'm cutting my teeth again on the new meta, and it's very foreign to me. At the risk of sounding old, 10 years ago, a cult was NOT an unheard of aspect. When I read NS's role. it seemed to be very strongly correlated to a "changing" of someone's alignment.

Without knowing many of the new roles, I assumed this meant cult. I should seriously stick to normal games.

Zep 7 days 10 hours
NS 3 days 7 hours
LC 3 days 3 hours
Cho 2 days 6 hours
Emp 2 days 5 hours

This is a prime example of the apathy that kills town. Four of the eleven left alive can't be bothered to post, and our Mod isn't even around to get prods out or to replace people into the game who will actually play. Guess its a good thing we still have 4 days and change for this period. Maybe one of the times Zep signs in he will actually come in here and fucking play. And whoever is suspect of me for calling for his head, fuck off. Heat came down all around him and he has flaked, town doesn't flake with that kind of pressure, they flail. Dude is fucking scum and needs to hang. Kagami probably is too, so I am stuck in a pickle.

This screams pro-town to me.

I said I was in a pickle. I feel like Kagami has a good chance of flipping scum as well. And I'm not thrilled that I call you guys out by name and you come swooping in. Feels like bussidying.

I feel like we gain MORE from a Kagami lynch than a Zep lynch.

[Kagami]

Yes, fish, I still think you're scum.

Zeph-slot is a null lynch.

Anyone who actually thinks I'm scum is willfully misreading the intent behind josh's posts.

[Formerfish]

Still based off one post where you misrep me multiple times?

And can you show me where you gave Zep the same kind of attention for suggesting to lynch out of those who were off the Josh wagon, basically ignoring those who were on it?

[Kagami]

Zeph is new, he's allowed to say silly things. You are not. That's not the only reason I don't like your slot, anyway.

The only meaningful evidence against zeph is that he may have replaced out because of pressure.

[Formerfish]

So the fact that he acted like anyone who suggested he hammered scum as scum was a crazy person is good with you?

And what other reasons do you suspect me? I'd love to hear them. I have a nice pot of camomile tea brewing and some crumpets if you are interested.

[Belisarius]

Zep 7 days 10 hours
NS 3 days 7 hours
LC 3 days 3 hours
Cho 2 days 6 hours
Emp 2 days 5 hours

This is a prime example of the apathy that kills town. Four of the eleven left alive can't be bothered to post, and our Mod isn't even around to get prods out or to replace people into the game who will actually play. Guess its a good thing we still have 4 days and change for this period. Maybe one of the times Zep signs in he will actually come in here and fucking play. And whoever is suspect of me for calling for his head, fuck off. Heat came down all around him and he has flaked, town doesn't flake with that kind of pressure, they flail. Dude is fucking scum and needs to hang. Kagami probably is too, so I am stuck in a pickle.

Did you seriously just include the mod in an activity check?

[Kagami]

So the fact that he acted like anyone who suggested he hammered scum as scum was a crazy person is good with you?

And what other reasons do you suspect me? I'd love to hear them. I have a nice pot of camomile tea brewing and some crumpets if you are interested.

If he actually believes it, it's ok with me.

It does seem to be the case that he has no scum games, so I can see an argument there, but the timing of the replacement request advert suggests a flake rather than a replacement request. I do like the players on the wagon for the most part, but I dislike it's strongest advocate.

I don't want to make a laundry list that's too long, but the following things also ping to me:

-Sheeping geist's "strong advocacy" statement, then admitting advocacy
-Role parallels to scum-roles from SUPREME
-Challenge to keep my vote on you
-You vanilla-ized our only investigator on N0, then claim no action on N1

[Lowercase]

From what I've read about kagami (which is just about every kag-game on this site and a couple on another). Kagami-scum is more taken to opportunism than she has been this game. The only reason I don't think it would be a good idea to lynch Fish is because I want to make him target a VT to see what his action does. It seems strange to me that we might have two town roles that change people. If we hadn't lost three of the role changing actions we would potentially have a role madness game by now.

I would be interested in hearing what Geists has to say about Kagami though, I feel like I may be biased.

[Juls]

Also, my new role is significantly weaker than gunsmith, bordering on VT-useless.

NS, if you used it on me, do you think I might become a gunsmith again?

I suppose I'll claim my new role though.

Once per game I can choose to use my night action. It is either protective or investigative, and it gets better each night. Last night Who could have reported or bodygaurded. Tonight I can doc or track.

Lowercase, please clear up the above discrepancies.

[Lowercase]

Uh, ok. I'm a one-shot investigator/protective. N1 I report or bodygaurd. I get better options each night. I would have to survive pretty late to get them though, so I plan on using it tonight. That makes me a N2 doc/tracker in effect, which Who could reasonably consider bordering on VT useless.

The second post was in response to NS saying that the word "alternate" was in his role PM. The way I figured it, we have two roles, the one we start with and our alternate flavor role, therefore it would make sense if his role switched his target's. I was asking because I wanted to figure out how NS's role worked, because I figured I had been targeted by a similar one. That said, I would rather be a gunsmith (which is effectively a cop with NS as a miller) than the much weaker role I am now.

[MTD]

Who's left?

I am.

I got a generic VT role as well.
My pick was Jorah Mormont from GoT.

[Formerfish]

So everyone is vt except me, lc and ns?

lc is claiming gunsmith n0, and is planning to use doc or track tonight. All roles that can be easily faked. Claim isn't making sense with new info, same thing happened in WTP when Nati claimed vig before mass claim.

Also, NS is probably scum.

Unvote

[Lowercase]

Are you joking? You think I'm faking and NS is scum, so that makes town all vanilla except you?

[Formerfish]

Yes, that is where evidence is pointing right now.

[Lowercase]

Also how does that not make sense? You know for a fact that you changed my role on N0, and with the town make-up, it would be hard to believe that the one investigative role is lying.

[Formerfish]

NS and my own roles are too similar to both be town, his is worded oddly compared to mine, and he failed to include a town wincon. Why? Because he didn't get one.

Pedit: How does it make sense? Because how would you know what the town make up would be? I propose that Who actually did bus day 1 for all the towncred he cashed in on and for the conversation we are having right now. I know that your role changed, but I have no idea from what to what and I have already said that I highly doubt that alignment would change as well. So you started as scum, and stayed scum. How do you explain that there are 2 roles that change people, everyone else being a goon or vanilla, except for you? It is very easy for me to believe that an investigative role would be lying if I don't fully believe they were that investigative role.

[Cho]

Formerfish, I'd like to believe the amount of effort you've put into your cases and activity boosting makes you town, but you're being quite dense at the moment.

Lowercase's slot caught Josh_B as scum Night 0 (replacing Who). I was and am fairly sure that slot's town.

The gunsmith claim was already proved to an extent by the Josh wagon, and Who's behavior regarding the out (claiming Cop first in case Josh_B was a vigilante).

Cho- If you felt this way about my case, why wait til now to vote?

I voted a while ago. Please read before making your accusations.

And please get back on track. I want to lynch Zephryrus' slot today. I didn't wait to vote; I voted right after your case. Now lynch and find more scum.

Be back later.

[Formerfish]

Cho, I am not saying that I am 100% sure of anything right now. New information has come out, and it needs to be evaluated in light of the totality of the situation. Ignoring the fact that it doesn't make sense to have no other PRs except for the one that outed scum day 1 for and easy town card would be asinine. I am not ready for a lynch yet and would like to get some actual discussion going on what other people think now that we have finished our mass claim.