Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

I was 100% Katsuki was lying to get me mislynched and sort of saw everyone else through that lens. Now I just dunno.

I think CF was just hamming it up over the Cupcake situation. I dont think he was sincere. I dont even feel amazing about that read. I thought he was trying to maniuplate Tammy and back Kats yesterday, but Kats was town. Could still be opportunistic scum WKing Kats but I feel like Im just morphing how I view things to fit what I WANT to see at this point to a degree.

[AngryPidgeon]

PeregrineV - Probably gonna walk in here and say "oh I shot Magenta but I must have been blocked, -hitoshrug-". A JANITOR vig? I mean come on, since when is that town. His push on mastin while RBD was dead looks terrible and it looks especially terrible that he decided not to shoot on N2 "because I wanted to see RBD flip" despite RBD having flipped over the night. No shot tonight and Im sure as hell not going to buy that he decided not to shoot again. DESPITE that Im not even sure if I like PV as scum. His push on tammy got him all sorts of flak he didnt need to get . The only scum motivation I can think of for engaging Tammy and scumreading her so hard is to justify shooting her and claiming the shot or something. But he later decides he doesnt care and calls Tammy town because everyone else was which does not feel like the PV I know and love. UGH. Can people just actually be awesome and town this game? For once? Just one person?

JSU - A B HADOUKEN

Really? You guys don't see possible motivation for confirming my action and calling Kats a liar. Here is the thing. There was some doubt floating around about the night actions as a whole and you confirmed MY ACTION ON STALIN which was a direct counterclaim to what Cupcake was saying. If you hadnt stepped in, its totally possible we would have wound up lynching Magenta or something or the whole thing may have blown over. I recall at least one or two people wanting to lynch outside of that noise. You did also claim an innocent on me which your point about "why would scum do that" is a bit more salient but it was kind of an awkward claim in the first place? You sort of lofted it out there and didnt immediately say I was conftown. It was a bit awkward/fast. IDK. And if you are scum, you most defo did block/redirect Katsuki and I dont see any reason to suspect you would be lynched over me in the event of Kats flipping town.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Is there someone else who went oh tammy you're right maybe all the investigative claims do sound odd? Because all I remember is katsuki bringing up too many investigative roles and me saying no else commented because no one here cares.

What is your problem by the way?

yes, falcon did. he already told you like 10 posts ago that he, too, was erroneously questioning the existence of multiple investigative roles that can't catch scum by design

Yes, I remember his attempts to say that AP was a godfather ala vesperia, but no one talked to me after I laid out all the claims and questions with the setup. Though I think he did point out that Nacho was scum from it.

Look, your credibility is absolutely shot with me and I have no idea why you're approaching me like an overaggressive asshole. If your opinion of my alignment changed over night, savvy, otherwise save your pompous antics for someone who still thinks you have a handle on this game and should be listened to.

IE...NOT ME.

Credibility shot?

Also it does not matter if Bro was the one who had the town read on Katsuki and you didn't.

Bro was here and posting yesterday and didn't seem to have any issues with declaring his previous oh so certain town read was scum.

True :/

vote: magenta_thegreat

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This does make an awful lot of sense admittedly.

re jailer claim & target thereof: an interesting coincidence.

Overnight DV and I have determined that we don't have a clue who the scum are basically. Everything just keeps not working...
-Ceph

[The Fox and the Hound]

But he later decides he doesnt care and calls Tammy town because everyone else was which does not feel like the PV I know and love. UGH. Can people just actually be awesome and town this game? For once? Just one person?

Wait that happened?

[AngryPidgeon]

CarbonFiber continues to pretend like he didnt shove a 3-way connection case between myself/rancid/mastin a lot of which occurred around the time PV used his janitor shot on RBD which is divey. Now that both of those have flipped town he just makes bullshit statements like "I just can't see AP being town here unless hes playing to his scummeta to troll mastin" and references mastins scumread on me as a reason for scumreading me. The thought proces sbehind all that is laden with cognitive dissonance and IDK Ive seen some people get that way as town (is F16 a MoI alt?) but his interactions with tammy are bad. He is overly calm and planned all game but goes into this OMH I CNT EVNE TPYE PRLOPELY rage at Tammy that I just dont even buy for a singular second. So I don't think Im just morphing my logic to fit what I WANT to see here, this slot is terrible and I dislike it. Is it terrible town though? Ehhhhhh? I sort of think hes been manipulating Tammy all game. I sort of think hes been casting doubt on the PA/Clyton slot for no real reason all game (called Clyton scum for the watcher claim but retracted it?) Fuck if I know what his read on that slot even is, he keeps waffling between "PA is PoE scum", "PA is scum" and "I want PA to be town maybe she is" like every other post.

I keep coming back to seeing PV/CF as scum but not feeling amazing about it. I could see PV just derpclaiming his role as town but I really dont get it. And if RBD was going to gladiate JSU that makes them a great target for scum if JSU is scum. I might be going to deep on spec here, god knows setup spec has done nothing but bite town at every turn this game.

Fake eidt: Ugh and FauxHound. I thought they looked really town on D1. Now I just have no idea whatsoever to make of them. Dv feels genuinely perplexed in people sumreading them I guess although that could just be good faked scumplay. Nothing they've done makes me want to call them town for sure except they seemed fairly town when getting wagoned on D1 but their lack of presence after getting wagoned is meh leaning towards "Are you guys a lurking Doctor or just scum?"

[Just Sheep Us]

In other news, I now suspect everyone.

You suspect the claimed vig?

You suspect the miller who CC'd a miller fakeclaim?

Really?

[CarbonFiber]

The only other person I remember really trying to suggest that Cupcake was still town is Peregrine.

Falcon was too but mostly by a very complicated version in which AP was scum without JSU being scum.

Look, I am just as pissed off as you are about no one listening that Cupcake was town. I just didn't feel that anything would change. I am not sure if you think I as scum decided to burn all towncred from his townflip by deciding that I want to hammer instead of just shutting up and letting someone else do it. (Or, making a show of how I wouldn't hammer). I as town thought that Kats was town. I as town didn't want to vote him because I didn't want to contribute to yet another mislynch. I as town waffled on hammering him because if his lynch was a foregone conclusion, I want it to end sooner rather than later.

And I said plenty of times that there were too many investigative roles. I just happened to disagree with you on JSU, townreading them while scumreading AP.

[Just Sheep Us]

JSU - All of day one and two you were arguing for an obviously town Cupcake Panda. Why did yesterday you immediately jump on the ohmygosh obvscum brigade and ditching your ohmygosh oh so town read and NOT account for any possibility that he could still be town and something went awry with the roles.

Because it seemed unlikely that he, BWS, and RG all got roleblocked.

[AngryPidgeon]

Idk, I was just frustrated enough that I wanted to see D3 end. I've kinda been like that this whole game which turned out to be a pretty huge mess.

No you haven't? You spent all of Day 2 not-voting and trying to drag the day out by getting "in-sync" with Stalin and Tammy.

I think I mentioned too that there were too many investigative claims as well. More than once I think.

In a role madness game? Yes tell me more about how there are too many ivestigative roles in this role madness game. You never addressed me or JSU pointing out that you claimed your role led you to believe there were multiple cop-esque roles but, in the same stride, you doubt the 2 claimed cop roles. Please do that.

If you had said not to hammer as opposed to being passive about it, I think I would have waited too. I just didn't see what else was going to come out of D3 other than the same old thing.

Are you serious right now? Why are we talking about hypotheticals about whether or not you would hammer if Tammy asked nicely enough. You didnt hammer. You told DV to do it so you could be off for

moral

VCA purposes.

The only other person I remember really trying to suggest that Cupcake was still town is Peregrine.

Falcon was too but mostly by a very complicated version in which AP was scum without JSU being scum.

I guess. And he is now arguing that Panda was just blocked I guess. Which I just dont even want to touch with a 11.5foot pole, that rabbithole might go all the way to China.

I still think Red Gary is just scum.

[Just Sheep Us]

Aslo JSU - Why did you vote me yesterday when you did? You voted me for saying that you can't start bragging about your reads until you are right about scum.

Was that an annoyance vote? Or an actual "I think you're scum vote?"

If it was an actual "I think you're scum vote" why did me commenting on the ludicrousness of you bragging about town reads while pushing incorrect scum reads make me scum?

Also if you could answer that question sans the ridiculous, you're setting me up for a Mastin town flip, that would be wonderful.

1) Combination of frustration and serious vote. It's why the vote fairly quickly moved to Fox and Hound, because, frustration aside, they're the better vote.

2) The vote on you wasn't for your posting at the start of day 3 as much as it was for early positionality. I've been trying to put myself back into the gamestate of day 1 and trying to think through the narrative that scum were building for the game to figure how who is driving what aspects of that narrative.

[CarbonFiber]

CarbonFiber continues to pretend like he didnt shove a 3-way connection case between myself/rancid/mastin a lot of which occurred around the time PV used his janitor shot on RBD which is divey. Now that both of those have flipped town he just makes bullshit statements like "I just can't see AP being town here unless hes playing to his scummeta to troll mastin" and references mastins scumread on me as a reason for scumreading me. The thought proces sbehind all that is laden with cognitive dissonance and IDK Ive seen some people get that way as town (is F16 a MoI alt?) but his interactions with tammy are bad. He is overly calm and planned all game but goes into this OMH I CNT EVNE TPYE PRLOPELY rage at Tammy that I just dont even buy for a singular second. So I don't think Im just morphing my logic to fit what I WANT to see here, this slot is terrible and I dislike it. Is it terrible town though? Ehhhhhh? I sort of think hes been manipulating Tammy all game. I sort of think hes been casting doubt on the PA/Clyton slot for no real reason all game (called Clyton scum for the watcher claim but retracted it?) Fuck if I know what his read on that slot even is, he keeps waffling between "PA is PoE scum", "PA is scum" and "I want PA to be town maybe she is" like every other post.

I keep coming back to seeing PV/CF as scum but not feeling amazing about it. I could see PV just derpclaiming his role as town but I really dont get it. And if RBD was going to gladiate JSU that makes them a great target for scum if JSU is scum. I might be going to deep on spec here, god knows setup spec has done nothing but bite town at every turn this game.

Fake eidt: Ugh and FauxHound. I thought they looked really town on D1. Now I just have no idea whatsoever to make of them. Dv feels genuinely perplexed in people sumreading them I guess although that could just be good faked scumplay. Nothing they've done makes me want to call them town for sure except they seemed fairly town when getting wagoned on D1 but their lack of presence after getting wagoned is meh leaning towards "Are you guys a lurking Doctor or just scum?"

Will you stop pushing stuff that has already been explained? I don't feel like re-explaining.

[CarbonFiber]

I'm going to have to get to the remaining posts this evening.

[Just Sheep Us]

And it hurts me deep down to say it, but I sort of think JSU is scum : (

God dammit AP you know me better than this.

[Titan]

In other news, I now suspect everyone.

You suspect the claimed vig?

You suspect the miller who CC'd a miller fakeclaim?

Really?

YEP!!!

[AngryPidgeon]

In other news, I now suspect everyone.

You suspect the claimed vig?

You suspect the miller who CC'd a miller fakeclaim?

Really?

You know I've been arguing this as well.

Instead of saying "lol vig claim" how about responding to some of my points about PV?
-PV is not confirmed town.
-PV is a claimed vigilante who has only made one shot this game
-PV borderline lied about the order of events (or at least is being divey about it)
-PV is a JANITOR. He JANITOR shot someone and shoved a lynch on the person that townie was defending adamantly the next Day just to suddenly decide he wants to be much more reasonable about his role.

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And Im not going to go into the Miller CC. I dont think that is something that only town does. On Day 1, despite literally everybody telling F16 that he was wrong about 2 millers being impossible, he kept chugging right along with his CC, zero fucks given. I think he should know better than that if literally the entire playerbase is telling him that a miller CC doesnt mean much. Yet he keeps shoving it like a case which screams to me thta he had an agenda and the agenda was to lynch RBD and play stupid about thinking only 1 miller could be in a game.

[Just Sheep Us]

Also it does not matter if Bro was the one who had the town read on Katsuki and you didn't.

Bro was here and posting yesterday and didn't seem to have any issues with declaring his previous oh so certain town read was scum.

Oh yes, PR resolution strongly implying that I was wrong about a read means I should be really stubborn and undynamic, because I've never read a player wrong ever.

Obviously.

[AngryPidgeon]

Tammy, do you have any super interesting revelations about PA from the neighborhood?

[Just Sheep Us]

Uh, re: p5...

1) Optimal vig strat is to only shoot once unless you have confscum to shoot.
2) Don't get where p5 lied about anything. His claim was fine.
3) His trajectory is fine.

And re F-16:

WHY THE FUCK WOULD SCUM GO FOR A 1-1 TRADE ON A FUCKING MILLER GLADIATOR? THAT MAKES 0 FUCKING SENSE.

[AngryPidgeon]

And it hurts me deep down to say it, but I sort of think JSU is scum : (

God dammit AP you know me better than this.

Know you better than what? What do I know you better than BRO??????

Lets see, what have I gotten from you this game.

"AP is town guys I swear"...."AP why aren't you townreading me, Im the only person to read you right!!"..."Mastin is obviously scum, fuck whatever AP is saying lynch mastin1!!" Oh and also RBD was the scummzorz for being a troll and Cf is HILARIOUSLY TOWN.

"Hey Desp why is CF hilariously town?
"HEs just obvious town in the thread and the hood!!"

Ya screw that noise.

You can complain when you've done something that looks town to me. I've melted down as scum before so Im not giving you town pants for that. I've faked innocents as scum so Im not giving you town pants for that.

[AngryPidgeon]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD SCUM GO FOR A 1-1 TRADE ON A FUCKING MILLER GLADIATOR? THAT MAKES 0 FUCKING SENSE.

BECAUSE IT WASNTA 1-1 TRADE???

DID YOU NOT SEE ALL THE PEOPLE GOING "LOLCABDGAME, GO HOME CF YOU ARE DRUNK????"

[Titan]

Also it does not matter if Bro was the one who had the town read on Katsuki and you didn't.

Bro was here and posting yesterday and didn't seem to have any issues with declaring his previous oh so certain town read was scum.

Oh yes, PR resolution strongly implying that I was wrong about a read means I should be really stubborn and undynamic, because I've never read a player wrong ever.

Obviously.

I didn't say that. But you showed no hesitation, no trying to figure things out, just a clear leap. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Just Sheep Us]

Have class now; gonna be doing a lot of work with day 1 today, since I made some headway on it yesterday.

pedit:

I've explained why F-16's CC doesn't make sense as scum. I get that it's maybe something a you or kuribo would do, but I don't think F-16 cheeses like that as scum. Desp and I had no reason to CC Katsuki yesterday if we were scum. If we were scum, we'd have gotten the same net result, if not a better net result, by letting it play out without interference. There was 0 scum motivation for getting involved there, unless you want to argue that we really just wanted infinite town creed for getting involved in something that was an objectively bad move for scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Except there WAS a reason to get involved - you confirmed my

action

. That made Katsuki look worse than anything else.

[Just Sheep Us]

I didn't say that. But you showed no hesitation, no trying to figure things out, just a clear leap. That doesn't make sense to me.

so you have a role pm in your box that confirms ap as town and confirms that he visited stalin, and then katsuki comes blazing in with 100% confidence that his action was successful and that ap is a lying scumbag

and you're saying you would dither and daddle and "try to figure it out"?!?!?!

[Just Sheep Us]

Except there WAS a reason to get involved - you confirmed my action. That made Katsuki look worse than anything else.

no shit

without confirming your action you probably get lynched. and then katsuki after that for lying.