Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

I can do it in proxy for you at Molla meet if it turns out there is one.

[Titan]

Tammy, what are your thoughts on the way Penguin immediately went after MastinSSK after she replaced in? Did you help her catch up or clue her into anything in particular and did her understanding of the game so far feel reasonable based on how much she caught up/how much you helped bring her up to date in the neighborhood?

IDK

As far as how the neighborhood went at the beginning. I did give her a summer of what had happened so far. I mentioned the day one stuff between mastin and rancid and how especially verbose mastin had been. Told her about the Orci self-governing thing, told her about the janitoring thing. I said that mastin had been even more verbose but that I didn't have an idea to his alignment but told her that reading nacho and mastin's posts would probably be helpful in gaining a picture of the day, and then I asked her to read BRO because I had been scum reading them but then didn't know after the meltdown.

She said she'd try to read Bro but reminded me about how badly she read him in Wicked.

We had small talk, then she read my ISO and said I'm town unless I just learned how to really fake it after 541. She said she read out of my iso for context on some things then she got a leaning scum read on Mastin due to drowning things out in words but wanted to read better. And then like 7 hours later she came back and said that she thought for sure it was Mastin!scum based on tone. Later that night she said she'd work on her mastin case. She sounded pretty frustrated with herself when he came back town though.

[Just Sheep Us]

And now we see what they're trying to get at

Piss tammy off, call her stupid or not town, then give her a way to prove herself to be town to further your agenda

yawn

That would be an awesome plan if:

1) We were scum.

2) Desp and I were talking right now.

[Just Sheep Us]

Where'd you guys formulate that plan?

Was it from Nacho?

Sounds like something he'd concoct

It's cute that you think I'm no less capable of ornate plans than Nacho is.

But this is the end of the road for your scummy ass.

[Just Sheep Us]

Tammy, if you're town, I expect you to do a metric shitton with that VC.

No, you do shit with that VC.

I don't do VCA except if I'm in LyLo deciding who to vote for.

You really are trying to eat all the times you bragged about being good at this game and people should sheep you aren't?

Why are you "ordering" me to do something I don't fucking do.

Because I'm trying to figure out whether it was a 3:1:0, 2:2:0, or 2:1:1 split at that VC, and if you're town, you have positionality to remove one of those options outright.

[Just Sheep Us]

Nacho is scum too

But yes, both mastin and Katsuki'

Only thing that doesn't make sense is JSU's claim in that case

So you can throw that entire theory out the window.

I rarely make theoretical mistakes, and wouldn't make one that big.

[Just Sheep Us]

Why is Nacho scum?

Because he's trying to distance from his buddy so that they can secure 2 mislynches w/o both of them getting lynched.

Like you did with Mala in Wicked Mafia.

[Titan]

Tammy, if you're town, I expect you to do a metric shitton with that VC.

No, you do shit with that VC.

I don't do VCA except if I'm in LyLo deciding who to vote for.

You really are trying to eat all the times you bragged about being good at this game and people should sheep you aren't?

Why are you "ordering" me to do something I don't fucking do.

Because I'm trying to figure out whether it was a 3:1:0, 2:2:0, or 2:1:1 split at that VC, and if you're town, you have positionality to remove one of those options outright.

We already went over this at the start of day two when there were two kills. There are 4 scum and they are on the same team.

I asked Cabd right after the day started due to the janitored RBD kill. There are no third parties and it's not multi faction. Well, I guess I should check Skype again to make sure on multi faction but I'm pretty sure he said no.

[Titan]

Single scum team.

[Just Sheep Us]

I feel like JSU is purposefully making this day distracting over the fact that I got ohmygods paranoid because I was questioning them about their behavior yesterday when previously cupcake was a strong town read of theirs.

Oh yes, we're providing 0 other content and not trying to get shit done, only 100% fixating on you.

Obviously...

[Just Sheep Us]

I mean how scum are organized on the wagons.

[Red Gyarados]

It's the end of my road for my scummy ass yet I see a total of 1 vote on my wagon?

Yep

You're right

And I'm sure you are but it's a nacho style plan for damned sure

Why am I scummy though/

Because I siteflaked?

Becasue I don't buy into you/AP/Nacho being town?

pedit-

lol, that's why you've been so scared to start a nacho wagon, amirite? And I'd love a bit of the wine in "I never make mistakes"

[Just Sheep Us]

VCA isn't fully done, but what I have so far in terms of high-level analysis:

Scum didn't move together as a unit day 1. Like, it's literally impossible from my POV given the set of claims for scum to have been moving in lockstep with any more than 2 at a time. It took forever for wagons to form, and wagons were very unstable, which indicates that scum were likely misdirecting behind a lot of loud town voices.

That VC I posted is interesting b/c of the p5 wagon. If you assume p5 town b/c of the vig claim, then you have all potential scum candidates split between two wagons, with only you not voting at all.

Scum knew that this town was imploding.

They went ahead and let it happen.

The question is how they used their votes to facilitate that process.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why am I scummy though/

Because I siteflaked?

Becasue I don't buy into you/AP/Nacho being town?

Because you make posts like this.

Because Brian has showed up and added virtually nothing of value besides throwing out token catchup walls and talking about how you were never coming back.

Because Your vote on JSU Day 1 sucked and most of that wagon is confirmed town now.

[Titan]

I asked what the balance was he said 16:4. You know what my answer was? With 16 players, 4 scum makes sense. I don't think that way and even if I did it wouldn't matter because even after Penguin mentioned the numbers I still was worried scum had a trick up their sleeves.

To be honest, that would have been more balanced than it was >.>
Im still a little bitter about that game.

Well the modkill didn't help you guys, and yeah I guess I would *expect* five there actually or some damn good roles, but I'm not much for balance.

And on your other point, I am reasonable and I am actually decent at math, only a certain kind of math, but I have serious lapses and there are things I don't consider don't think about and focus on something else. I literally once forgot what a hider did in a game

while being a hider in another game

.

What benefit did I have? Almost everyone has me as town anyway. So, what was I trying to do? Really? Look insane? Get people to yell at me for something that if I knew it didn't make sense wouldn't make sense? Because really.

Is it really that unreasonable for JSU to think it though? Sure, them being town means they are just wrong and loudly so from your perspective. That doesnt make them scum though.
I've faked paranoia as scum. Its not something I would consciously go "Gee people are townreading me, I guess I can stop trying to look town now" ever. I'd just keep doing whatever I was doing.

IDK, JSU could be scum. Im trying to resolve just how likely it is that RG is bussing them right now or what. I dont think they are town/town for sure.

Well that would be a really weird thing to get paranoid about.

[Just Sheep Us]

Weren't you going to do some giant VCA or something? Is that not happening?

It'll come out once Desp and I recolor everything and sync up about the analysis.

[AngryPidgeon]

It'll come out once Desp and I recolor everything and sync up about the analysis.

So Day 7 at the earliest?

Hue.

hue.

[CarbonFiber]

Tammy, what are your thoughts on the way Penguin immediately went after MastinSSK after she replaced in? Did you help her catch up or clue her into anything in particular and did her understanding of the game so far feel reasonable based on how much she caught up/how much you helped bring her up to date in the neighborhood?

IDK

As far as how the neighborhood went at the beginning. I did give her a summer of what had happened so far. I mentioned the day one stuff between mastin and rancid and how especially verbose mastin had been. Told her about the Orci self-governing thing, told her about the janitoring thing. I said that mastin had been even more verbose but that I didn't have an idea to his alignment but told her that reading nacho and mastin's posts would probably be helpful in gaining a picture of the day, and then I asked her to read BRO because I had been scum reading them but then didn't know after the meltdown.

She said she'd try to read Bro but reminded me about how badly she read him in Wicked.

We had small talk, then she read my ISO and said I'm town unless I just learned how to really fake it after 541. She said she read out of my iso for context on some things then she got a leaning scum read on Mastin due to drowning things out in words but wanted to read better. And then like 7 hours later she came back and said that she thought for sure it was Mastin!scum based on tone. Later that night she said she'd work on her mastin case. She sounded pretty frustrated with herself when he came back town though.

I could actually see Penguin being town based on Clyton's fake watcher claim. If he was confident you were town, he'd want to try to give you another day by implying that he would be watching you.

I am completely undecided on what to do about her strong pushes. She seemed incredibly confident in Mastin-scum and me-scum both of which she is wrong about but it fits her town meta pretty closely. But, I know for a fact that we talked about how she pushes lynches with confidence as town and she said that my wall in Wicked was informative to her about the way she plays and that she's going to try to switch up her scum play because she felt so transparent when I analyzed her in Wicked. I was scum there but I was posting a lot of genuine tells and we both agreed that it was fairly accurate. IDK, if I hadn't posted that wall and she played like this, I'd be pretty confident she was town. Do you see any similarities between Penguin here and her play as your partner in Too Many Heads?

[Titan]

VCA isn't fully done, but what I have so far in terms of high-level analysis:

Scum didn't move together as a unit day 1. Like, it's literally impossible from my POV given the set of claims for scum to have been moving in lockstep with any more than 2 at a time. It took forever for wagons to form, and wagons were very unstable, which indicates that scum were likely misdirecting behind a lot of loud town voices.

That VC I posted is interesting b/c of the p5 wagon. If you assume p5 town b/c of the vig claim, then you have all potential scum candidates split between two wagons, with only you not voting at all.

Scum knew that this town was imploding.

They went ahead and let it happen.

The question is how they used their votes to facilitate that process.

Well no shit scum knew this town was imploding. I think anyone can tell this town is imploding. It's why for the moments when I calmed myself over night and thought maybe the game wasn't ending, I told Penguin that I wasn't up for game solving because I don't even know how to begin to parse through the mess of what's happened this game.

And the wagons won't make the same sense to me as they make to you. Let's say you're town. You have this role that clears AP (or you believe it does), he's clearing ffery (or thinks it does). That's a three person line for confidence you have. Then you can take out the miller claim and think falcon's town, okay, and then think pere is town for the vig claim, not completely sold from that.

I don't have that advantage because I suspect pretty much everyone so your colors and wagon viewpoint doesn't look the same to me. If I was looking at it from your point of view and felt confident in those numbers then yes, it looks that simple that scum are on those two wagons, and then hey it's really easy then because I think there were only five names and we have four scum, but it's not that simple to me.

[Titan]

I didn't really read Too Many Heads

>_>

<_<

>_<

[Red Gyarados]

1) lol

2) I haven't spoken to anyone in ms in the two weeks I was MIA. You blame him? He was waiting to sync with me and I wasn't there to sync with him along with you all making page after page of incessant walls and potshots. So, nice try.

3) So much buddying, so little time. I don't remember why we voted him, might have been them lurkaderping and not doing anything. But sure! Try to use VCA in a cabd based game as a bullshit reason to push me while avoiding saying why things I've said come from scum ns. But oh course, this is just me hiding behind my hydra, so that's the excuse you'll use instead of saying why scum ns could either get the motivation to put up a ruse like this. Why scum ns decides the best way to approach this is to have his "buddy" nacho as scum insead of just saying he's not going to bother reading him at all.

pedit- yawn

[Titan]

UNVOTE:

are we in mylo?

and i swear if one person yells at me for math i will scream.

[AngryPidgeon]

I didn't really read Too Many Heads

How to read Tammy, a guide:

Is she reading the thread? -- no ---> Tammy is mafia
|
|_______ yes ____> Does she have a day kill? ------- yes ----> Serial Killer
.......................................... |___no ----> town.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, NotScience, here's what I think will help: you are most likely town and I need to solidify that read. Post your walls of analysis. Post all that massive amount of stuff that Brian said you had on the game.

Pedit: No, right now, it is 7-4. If we mislynch and scum kill a player tonight, we'll be at LYLO with 5-4.

[Titan]

Yes we are.

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

pedit: lol. I have read the game as scum before though! Also, I have not read the thread as town though that happens at a much much lower rate. Then usually I do a big catchup if I'm still alive.