Tales of You (Endgame)

[CarbonFiber]

i think if scum there was no need for me to be on that wagon

What would you have done then? Sit back and let the town lynch Mastin? That'd be as good as a scumclaim. Town-you would save Mastin and derail his wagon if you had a townread on him. Scum-you would have to do the same thing. Only way out is to scumread him and push him. Who wouldn't scumread you if you sat back and did nothing? That's not very Nacho-like and isn't something you can afford to do as scum. Town or scum, you have to influence the lynch in some way.

[Titan]

Nacho - what's your read on Penguin Alien?

[Nachomamma8]

Where's the Nacho that is lynching scum left and right? I am only seeing excuses about how it is not your fault but no actual performance. Where's the fuel and the fire and the charged up passion and desire to wreck the scum into a thousand tiny pieces?

Wsa his push on Panda and mastin something other than that?

I feel like you keep talking out of both sides of your mouth saying that Nacho's sudden passion on mastin made no sense and that he simultaneously saying that he HAS NO PASSION.

Or aybe thats RG arguing one of those, I get mixed up.

I outlined this D3 when I went back and forth with Nacho. I was accusing him of bringing up the passion only when people started wondering about him and sitting back whenever it wasn't necessary. I also said his push on Mastin came at an opportunistic time - at a point when a Mastin lynch was very likely and just needed a little push in that direction to ensure that he got lynched.

i think if scum there was no need for me to be on that wagon

in fact, as i pointed out to mastin together, the wagon is the opposite of opportunistic because of how timing with that push happened
i put my towncred in the neighborhood (there was a lot) in the grinder by hard defending mastin
then, immediately after towncred is in the grinder, i HARD pushed mastin (not nudged him to death like you seem to be implying) and grinded towncred everywhere else.

all for one mislynch?

you remember wicked, where we preserved two people tunneling each other until as late as possible and let ampersand completely take the shit for it AND was able to push an additional mislynch possibility on notscience who went weird on his strong townread? why wouldn't i just do that here and let mastin die with an unbelievably strong townread on me?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho - what's your read on Penguin Alien?

probably scum

[Red Gyarados]

I was not going to be mislynched in wicked

I was too valuable to scum

[Titan]

[Nachomamma8]

i think if scum there was no need for me to be on that wagon

What would you have done then? Sit back and let the town lynch Mastin? That'd be as good as a scumclaim. Town-you would save Mastin and derail his wagon if you had a townread on him. Scum-you would have to do the same thing. Only way out is to scumread him and push him. Who wouldn't scumread you if you sat back and did nothing? That's not very Nacho-like and isn't something you can afford to do as scum. Town or scum, you have to influence the lynch in some way.

Remember when I defended him earlier and everyone still wanted to lynch the shit out of him anyways?
I remember that.

[Nachomamma8]

do you disagree?

[Titan]

...I think I need to be the lynch today.

I'm going to spend some time in a hole, but I think that's going to be my conclusion.

[Nachomamma8]

because if she's doing that thing where she's not really putting stuff in thread but being incredibly town in QT, please tell her to start funneling all of her thoughts into thread

[Titan]

do you disagree?

nooooooot necessarily, it's just not what I wanted to hear.

[Red Gyarados]

we aren't lynching you sorz

obvtown doesn't get ml'd

[Titan]

Nacho - was I faking my paranoia?

notscience - it might actually be necessary.

[CarbonFiber]

in fact, as i pointed out to mastin together, the wagon is the opposite of opportunistic because of how timing with that push happened
i put my towncred in the neighborhood (there was a lot) in the grinder by hard defending mastin
then, immediately after towncred is in the grinder, i HARD pushed mastin (not nudged him to death like you seem to be implying) and grinded towncred everywhere else.

all for one mislynch?

you remember wicked, where we preserved two people tunneling each other until as late as possible and let ampersand completely take the shit for it AND was able to push an additional mislynch possibility on notscience who went weird on his strong townread? why wouldn't i just do that here and let mastin die with an unbelievably strong townread on me?

Not all for one mislynch. I think you knew that if you hard-pushed a player, people would be more inclined to townread you especially those that know your playstyle - like me for instance, or Tammy, or Ffery, or Pie/GIF.

How would you preserve Mastin? Would you have townread him? If you did, then you'd have to derail his lynch, right? A weak "I am reading Mastin as town" isn't going to go anywhere. You'd have to forcefully influence the outcome of the day if you don't want people to catch onto you - and that means derailing the lynch so that Mastin lives another day.

[Nachomamma8]

do you disagree?

nooooooot necessarily, it's just not what I wanted to hear.

i'm sorry!
i still don't understand though

[CarbonFiber]

i think if scum there was no need for me to be on that wagon

What would you have done then? Sit back and let the town lynch Mastin? That'd be as good as a scumclaim. Town-you would save Mastin and derail his wagon if you had a townread on him. Scum-you would have to do the same thing. Only way out is to scumread him and push him. Who wouldn't scumread you if you sat back and did nothing? That's not very Nacho-like and isn't something you can afford to do as scum. Town or scum, you have to influence the lynch in some way.

Remember when I defended him earlier and everyone still wanted to lynch the shit out of him anyways?
I remember that.

Yes, same with Rancid. You defended him ergo the lynch didn't happen. Sure, some others might want it but a true Nacho defense ensures that the lynch doesn't happen and you know it. Mastin would expect nothing less and if your defense was insufficient, he would still scumread you.

[Red Gyarados]

no it won't be

[Nachomamma8]

How would you preserve Mastin? Would you have townread him? If you did, then you'd have to derail his lynch, right? A weak "I am reading Mastin as town" isn't going to go anywhere. You'd have to forcefully influence the outcome of the day if you don't want people to catch onto you - and that means derailing the lynch so that Mastin lives another day.

I would protect the hell out of mastin because mastin was god tier townreading me.
If she died, neighborhood gets slaps on the wrists galore, I gain cred with the neighborhood (and especially you) because you tunneled on a strong townread of mine and never let up.
If she lived... I have mastin very very very firmly in my pocket, neighborhood keeps pushing her and giving me an honest townread to protect, meaning I stay engaged, I can use that to keep you preoccupied and keep you from the position of having to reanalyze reads, push mislynches elsewhere.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho - was I faking my paranoia?

notscience - it might actually be necessary.

No.

[Red Gyarados]

nacho tell tammy we aren't lynching her

[AngryPidgeon]

Tammy

[Titan]

do you disagree?

nooooooot necessarily, it's just not what I wanted to hear.

i'm sorry!
i still don't understand though

you will eventually.

[Nachomamma8]

Tammy we aren't lynching you.

[CarbonFiber]

How would you preserve Mastin? Would you have townread him? If you did, then you'd have to derail his lynch, right? A weak "I am reading Mastin as town" isn't going to go anywhere. You'd have to forcefully influence the outcome of the day if you don't want people to catch onto you - and that means derailing the lynch so that Mastin lives another day.

I would protect the hell out of mastin because mastin was god tier townreading me.
If she died, neighborhood gets slaps on the wrists galore, I gain cred with the neighborhood (and especially you) because you tunneled on a strong townread of mine and never let up.
If she lived... I have mastin very very very firmly in my pocket, neighborhood keeps pushing her and giving me an honest townread to protect, meaning I stay engaged, I can use that to keep you preoccupied and keep you from the position of having to reanalyze reads, push mislynches elsewhere.

Okay, you are right that the Mastin lynch got us to re-evaluate our reads and that didn't look favorable to you. And if you pushed a different mislynch, we'd still be tunneling Mastin today.

But that also means that if you don't take the opportunity to eliminate Mastin, she'd be bulletproof and a constant threat. You said before that Mastin was a threat to you. In Mentor-Mentee, you pointed out how she takes a day or two to nail down a good read on you.

[Red Gyarados]

If BRO and AP are town who is scum then nacho

do you think katsuki lied about her action