Tales of You (Endgame)

[magenta_thegreat]

and I still kinda think they are town?

[magenta_thegreat]

VOTE: PA

think I might start here

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh, and I and I'm interested in Pigey's action, because if actually did go through, I feel kinda bad for making him waste his one shot assuming town and legit claim.

I already said it did.

And I think you are scummy for claiming this.

[The Fox and the Hound]

dear cf/nacho scumteam hypothesis,

shut up.

sincerely,
common sense

[Titan]

not really, no though apparently the only way they are scum is if JSU is scum

Why jsu and not ap who investigated ffery?

[Titan]

So bro did no VCA as scum in attack on Titan or ny165. Anyone know of a time he did them as scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im not sure if Id call anything thats happened Today "VCA" but sure. I dont recall him doing any in 167 or w/e that game is that I flaked out of our hydra on.

[CarbonFiber]

This game feels completely fucked. I have no idea what to do that's actually going to be productive

NotScience, your lists are pretty but you can come up with better reasons for town/scumreading our slot than FourTrouble's paranoia and my end of D3 play that was already explained at the beginning of D4.

Also, can you explain your townread on Penguin in-depth? You were in the Wicked game. What are your thoughts regarding my explanation of how Penguin would want to switch her meta?

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho showing up earlier and not actually

doing

anything feels scummy. He responded to suspicion, interacted with a few people but made no attempt to sort players or move the game forward.

[CarbonFiber]

BRO never did VCA as scum.

[CarbonFiber]

So, I was thinking about this game and if I put aside my reads for a while, I could speculate on how scum wanted the game to go down. I think quite a few people (NotScience/Tammy speculated the first possibility). Especially going to get out my conviction that JSU is town and see if they work as scum.

1) JSU-AP scumteam

: Let's say for a second that BRO's end of D1 post was genuine (I won't use the M-word as per Penguin's request) except that he genuinely felt that way as scum because he cares about being lynched as scum. AP is his scumpartner as well as two other random people (let's say PV and Magenta). When Cupcake claims that AP didn't visit who he did, JSU decides that they want to save their partner AP and decide to contradict Cupcake's claim. Poor cupcake gets lynched sprinkles, cream, and all. So, the obvious problem here is that JSU/AP both tied themselves together and handed the town two scum lynches in order to get one town lynch which is massively and ridiculously sub-optimal. But is it? No one is really going after JSU/AP as a team hard enough and despite lynching Cupcake decided that now that his flip is known, he was probably blocked or lied so it fits in as a scum plan from them. But how would they have expected the town to believe it? BRO is a strategic scum player and he wouldn't risk two scum going down to nail one mislynch.

What would their day scum strategy be? Desp tries his best to piss off Tammy while buddying the fuck out of me in the neighborhood. AP tries his best to buddy Tammy while attacking me in an obviously scum way. That way, Tammy and I would disagree on both reads. She'd say BRO-Desp are scum for the way they attacked her but I wouldn't believe it because they seemed so nice and town to me. I'd say that AP was scum for his interactions with me but she'd call him "collaborative" and criticize my push as tunneling and we'd get nowhere and talk around in circles about why the other is not seeing AP or BRO-Desp as scum. BRO-Desp would know that as long as I townread them, they are unlikely to be lynched even if they piss someone off because I'd go to massive lengths to defend my townreads. Similarly, AP knows he's unlikely to get lynched if Tammy townreads him even if he pisses me off. Both slots play off of each other to increase discord amongst the town, sow apathy and fuel paranoia and conflict.

2) Fox/Penguin/Magenta/???? (Red Gyrados?)

- Let's say Nacho is right and town and he and AP are both town and the scumteam looks something of that sort. As the Mastin lynch drew closer, Fox and RG added their votes, Brian's read on Mastin was fairly ambiguous although he does eventually come around to voting him citing no other choice. Magenta did unvote after Mastin's walls so no idea what to make of that. Penguin went full steam against Mastin, maybe trying to get towncred for leading a lynch while Clyton spent a ton of time setting up the neighborhood for Mastin's townflip. Once Penguin achieves her objective, she then turns on me because I suspect her and with the same conviction tunnels me. HOWEVER, when the Katsuki thing comes up, she conveniently puts aside her read on me for another day like she's doing me a favor and votes Katsuki to ensure his lynch while planning to come back to me. All of this time, barely doing anything to interact with me or sort me out which I know she'd be pissed off if she was on the receiving end of someone pushing like that (Malakittens in Tales of Vesperia). I think I remember she being annoyed that Malakittens wasn't coming out to talk to her so no idea why I'm getting the same treatment here with the bulk of her suspicions seemingly done behind closed doors with Tammy.

3) JSU by themselves

- Let's say Tammy is right and JSU is scum by themselves all alone as the lone scum with no scumbuddies (I am kidding Tammy, I really need a break ). What's their strategy coming into the game? (Let's assume 3 other random people as scumbuddies just to be safe). Let's push the Mastin lynch as hard as we can. During that time, call out Titan/Stalin for "setting up" the neighborhood based on Mastin's townflip but be cagey about it so people aren't distracted from the lynch. Once that happens, we are one step closer to a win while other people are set up as setting us up so we have convenient scapegoats. Attack Titan, be a complete asshole and hope to hell that town buys that we are town. What's the strategy though? Tammy's unlynchable so maybe a similar strategy to what Prohawk and Orc pursued in Tales of Vesperia. Again, hope to hell that CF defends them enough to derail their lynch.

4) RG/Magenta/JSU/PV

- Let's say AP is town and right (besides his scumread of me) and that the scum are among the four people listed. Cupcake gets an incorrect result on AP (how?) and JSU decide to corroborate that result and buddy AP. RG fakes being blocked (wtf?) and PV is a 1X janitor vig for the scumteam. I am tired and rambling, AP finish this please.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay so, I'm trying to make sense of the claims.

What we know for sure:

1) MastinSSK

- Tree stump bulletproof

2) Rancid

- Gladiator

3) Mac

- Role stooping bodyguard

4) LordBusiness

- Roleblocker who can come back to life

5) Yggdra Union

- JOAT - powers unknown

6) Cupcake

- Delayer

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7) Magenta

- Self-governing duel master

8) PeregrineV

- Janitoring VIG

9) Titan

- Anti-roleblocker

10) CarbonFiber

- Miller neighborizer

What's left as claimed:

11) AngryPidgeon

- Cop who submits three names for scum to choose from

(with a 1X JK?)

12) JSU

- Even night tracker with cop aspects

13) Stalin

- Amnesiac follower

14) Penguin - Inventor?
15) Nacho - Commuter?
16) Brian/Notty - claimed to be blocked/unclaimed role
17) The Fox and The Hound - Didn't claim

Night two: Brian and bello ffery claim to be blocked.

Now here's part of my problem. Does anyone think there's just a little too many investigative roles claimed? Also Brian says his role failed, which would suggest that it's also investigative of some sort, but one would think he'd be a bit wary of the investigative claims if he was, but I'm not too sure that he's been around during claim fest so I'd have to check. Also we apparently two roles who are unable to die, well apparently mastin couldn't die who knows what limitations are on nacho.

Let's say all the investigative roles are town, then I'd expect scum to have some pretty strong powers. No one has come forward to be a roleblocker, so I refuse to believe there's another town one.

Hmmm I don't think I've come to any conclusions, but something doesn't feel right. I mean I hope that cupcake is scum, I really do, or this town is screwed. Penguin keeps insisting he has to be, but it's not something I feel great about. Maybe if I could trust more people besides bellifery I'd be more confident in this and feel calmer but I don't. And so help me if the one person I trust turns out to be scum I just don't know what I'll do.

My role confirms that there are multiple cops so we definitely know that are multiple investigative roles. I am leaning more towards scum having the ability to mess with the roles that we do have. Multiple roleblockers is a possibility. If Katsuki, RG, and Stalin all had their roles fail, I dunno, crazy idea, maybe AP can roleblock three people each night?

Actually, roles could have restrictions: if certain people of certain ages/genders are untargetable by others, that would explain why so many roles failed. Maybe they weren't all roleblocked at all.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Titan, I don't think there was anything scummy about Carbon's actions toward the end of day. When I first saw the flip that crossed my mind as well, but I think if anything it would be more odd coming from scum than from town. Also, my indecisiveness is such that I kind of need someone to just tell me to do something sometimes. I felt like Carbon Fiber understood this.

I came up with something but I'm not sure whether to talk about it yet. We didn't really talk in the neighborhood because I didn't trust Nacho. I asked him who his last partner was besides AP and Penguin. He didn't tell me. I asked after daystart him why he didn't kill you since you'd make it harder for him to blow his cover and get me mislynched. He didn't respond to that either.

What was Nacho like in the neighbourhood last night?

Fox and Magenta are null.

This is a little ridiculous though.

And you are the only claimed even/odd role in the game which makes me squint funny.

There could easily be even/odd night scum roles that we don't know about so I don't think this matters all that much.

Dv feels genuinely perplexed in people sumreading them I guess although that could just be good faked scumplay.

I think this kind of thing is why you're not getting any townreads. Almost any reason to call someone town could be negated with the line 'but it could just be really good scum'.

Are you serious right now? Why are we talking about hypotheticals about whether or not you would hammer if Tammy asked nicely enough. You didnt hammer. You told DV to do it so you could be off for moral VCA purposes.

I'm feeling iffy about Carbon Fiber myself, but this is uh.. not good. I thought Cupcake was scum. Carbon Fiber obviously wasn't that into it (let's assume town for the sake of this). Although when it comes down to it I don't really care who hammers as I'd feel we were equally responsible for the lynch regardless, for CF it was obviously different as he preferred not to hammer a wagon that he didn't really believe in if there was someone who thought Cupcake was scum (me) around. As I said, I don't relate to this viewpoint, but I think it's understandable, so CF is either town and this makes sense, or is scum with this probably not being very relevant to his alignment. As I've implied before, if anything I think taking this alone would make CF less likely scum.

And part of my problem is that you're not actually looking at everything. You're discounting some things because you have a *strong read* which is fine but coming up with new ways that AP is scum without for one second considering the possibility that JSU is scum is a whole metric fuckton of confirmation bias. I, for one, don't see how you can be so sure. I have postulated that you are so sure because you guys are partnered because it's really the only reason why you've been going on about AP but not really pushing him and then using the Mastin scum read AP so he's scum scum scum! When Mastin isn't all that great at reading AP; I mean in Anything Goes he was 100% certain AP was scum when he was town telling like crazy. The day two suggestion that it should be AP instead of Mastin after you declared that Pieguy was the only person you trusted to lead the town and Pieguy was tunneling on Mastin. Why did you all of a sudden decide to suggest the day should go away from where the leader was saying to go? In some instances you look like you're trying to tie your partner AP to people in a weird manner.

Woah... Tammy, this is EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY something I've been thinking and worried about. I haven't even mentioned it to Ceph yet because I thought it was too out there, but I feel so irrationally happy right now.

Nacho where is this case on us you promised? I need it just as I need water, food and a steady supply of mafia role PMs to feed my unhealthy addiction.

NACHO, JUST

BE

TOWN! YOU CAN DO IT. PLEASE BE TOWN.

And yeah this.

...I think I need to be the lynch today.

I'm going to spend some time in a hole, but I think that's going to be my conclusion.

Please stop this train of thought right now.

~~

Ok, finally finished reading. I'm most likely not going to have time to properly investigate anything further until the weekend, but here are my sort of not very well formed thoughts at the moment.

TOWN

Titan- So many of Tammy's posts make me think town and there is such a lack of things I find scummy that I'd be so amazed and impressed if she was scum that I'd probably be happy losing to be completely honest.
JSU- Not quite at the Titan-level, but reading their ISO pretty much quelled my paranoia there yesterday and although there are posts here that do make me go urgh, there are quite a few things that point to town that are perhaps even more solid than my reasons for Titan-town, so my conclusion is town. If there's significant suspicion of them when I get the time to do so, I'll write up why.

Then, there kind of is

AP- JSU result is very close to being good enough for me + there's his reaction to JSU today which I feel is pretty unnecessary if he's scum with JSU-town (I guess scum with JSU is still a possibility but I don't think I'm up for considering JSU-scum scenarios right now) and other reasons which I've mentioned previously.
Stalin- I think I still need to read their ISO (and if I have I've forgotten that I've done so, so would probably need to read them again anyway!), but I currently feel like putting them here, so here they go!
PeregrineV- Probably needs a read over too, but I remember thinking that how the claim went down made sense as town to the point where I wasn't eager to start considering scum-vig theories.

Probably a gap here, and then:

CarbonFiber- I'm pretty sure this will be the first ISO I go through when I have time. I worry it might be excessively paranoid of me to place him here, but it's how I feel right now so deal with it. You can probably guess at least part of the reason from what I've already posted (although not exactly), but I feel like this is the kind of read where I could be insanely stupid for scumreading it, or it could be the scum that will skate by unless someone does something about it! So yeah I'm probably not making much sense now because I'm tired and not even sure enough of what I think here to even pretend I can explain it in some sort of coherent way, but I will explain it better later, promise.
Penguin- I really liked Clyton thinking he was some important member of the town in addition to other posts of his and Penguin has looked pretty town to me too.
RedGyarados-I think it's possible I'm too attached here, but notty feels town to me.
Nacho- He needs to talk to me. I'm not going to let him get away with supposedly having a case on me but saying nothing further about it and not even paying attention to my posts as either alignment.

And then we have...

Magenta- Interested to see where their claim goes, but to me they're pretty clearly the least town of all my reads and I remember thinking them slightly scummy way back, which probably isn't anything that substantial but with me townreading everyone else that's good enough for me!

So yeah apart from Magenta I actually have no idea (and at this stage I even feel like Magenta could be town because lolwhynot), except for Nacho making me feel all weird inside which could mean scum but I don't know yet (because he won't respond to my posts!!!).

This is just current impressions though of a not-entirely-with-it DV so they could probably change as I'm going to try my best to work this out. And I can't say this enough, but please please please hold me to this. I have the tendency to be really lazy and I really don't want to be.

[CarbonFiber]

Woah... Tammy, this is EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY something I've been thinking and worried about. I haven't even mentioned it to Ceph yet because I thought it was too out there, but I feel so irrationally happy right now.

Are you fucking kidding me? I responded to that post ages ago.

[CarbonFiber]

And part of my problem is that you're not actually looking at everything.

This is just wrong. The only person who has been looking at everything is me. It is also such a generic accusation and I am not even sure what it is reference to.

You're discounting some things because you have a *strong read* which is fine but coming up with new ways that AP is scum without for one second considering the possibility that JSU is scum is a whole metric fuckton of confirmation bias.

I don't get this way of looking at things at all. AP was the one who was coming up with new ways to scumread me and I've pointed this out several times.

I, for one, don't see how you can be so sure.

I explained it in my huge wall on BRO-Desp. I explained that their posting has been really town in the neighborhood. I can't see how that was missed. It is one thing to not be convinced but I don't get why you think

I'm

scum for townreading them other than my wall on Penguin in Wicked eliciting a similar reaction from her. It did because it was genuine. It means nothing for my affiliation if I can post genuine meta as scum.

I have postulated that you are so sure because you guys are partnered because it's really the only reason why you've been going on about AP but not really pushing him and then using the Mastin scum read AP so he's scum scum scum!

I think Nacho is scum so I am scum with Nacho. I think AP is scum so I am scum with AP. Either way, I am scum. I am apparently finding new ways that AP is scum but not actually pushing him.

When Mastin isn't all that great at reading AP; I mean in Anything Goes he was 100% certain AP was scum when he was town telling like crazy. The day two suggestion that it should be AP instead of Mastin after you declared that Pieguy was the only person you trusted to lead the town and Pieguy was tunneling on Mastin. Why did you all of a sudden decide to suggest the day should go away from where the leader was saying to go? In some instances you look like you're trying to tie your partner AP to people in a weird manner.

I explained this already. My "town leader" thing about Pie was referring to Mastin's posts about him being a town leader and me saying that I trust Pie more than Mastin.

Like, are you actually kidding me with the "

Woah... Tammy, this is EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY something I've been thinking and worried about. I haven't even mentioned it to Ceph yet because I thought it was too out there, but I feel so irrationally happy right now.

" This is just... bad.

[penguin_alien]

OK, working on catching up here; ran out of time/energy yesterday. Still not 100% current, but through page 263, I'll say that Tammy's paranoia wasn't out of left field. Elaborating further would be anti-town at this point.

Mod, I'll be V/LA for the next two days. Thanks!

If I can catch up in the next two hours I will; otherwise it'll have to wait. My apologies.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cupcake gets an incorrect result on AP (how?)

He didn't get a 'result'. He must have been blocked or maybe redirected.

I'm curious how likely you think it is that JSU is just scum w/o me after making this post ^. You basically listed all the possible scum motive they had for doing what they've done then said .. "but whats the motivation?"

maybe AP can roleblock three people each night?

K I'd like to remind everyone that magenta is softing a mass RB role. And FFS I don't see how you are capable of pinning literally all the RBs on me and not wondering for a second if that makes a single iota of sense. I just dont get it. I went back and started skimming D1 around when i replaced in to see if I could nail down exactly how we started down whatever it is we did this game. Im not really at any conclusive point since Im trying to read everything for context, but wow. Reminder:

jsu tracked me to stalin

, NOT 3 separate people on N2. I know you are going to say I could be a triple roleblocking godfather that literally bypasses every role in the game. Sure. I GUESS I COULD BE. CANT REALLY ARGUE AGAINST THAT, except Ive just been obviously town all game IMO.

There could easily be even/odd night scum roles that we don't know about so I don't think this matters all that much.

True. I more wanted to see how they'd respond to me raising this point. Im definitely not going down THAT thorny path after mini 1521.

Woah... Tammy, this is EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY something I've been thinking and worried about. I haven't even mentioned it to Ceph yet because I thought it was too out there, but I feel so irrationally happy right now.

Are you fucking kidding me? I responded to that post ages ago.

There is plenty of Tammy to go around for the both of you, play nice and share.

[PeregrineV]

Votecount 3-12 (Final)

With 12 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Magenta_thegreat (1): PeregrineV
AngryPidgeon (1): magenta_thegreat
CupcakePanda (7): AngryPidgeon, Just Sheep Us, Nachomamma8, Breakfast With Stalin, CupcakePanda, Penguin_Alien, The Fox and the Hound

Nachomamma8 (1): Red Gyarados


Not Voting (2): CarbonFiber, Titan,

Mod Note: None at the moment

Deadline is set at 13 days: (expired on 2014-05-20 18:13:27)

CupcakePanda, who was Chelsea Torn, Town Modified Delayer*, was lynched Day Three

*A town modified delayer also has a oneshot magnet ability

Night 3 deadline will be 48 hours: (expired on 2014-05-13 05:30:51)
The usual stipulation about all actions and a majority to end early apply.

All actions in, majority of votes, yada yada.

Nobody died night three.

With 11 alive it will take 6 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Deadline is set at 12 days: (expired on 2014-05-25 04:32:54)

Back on 239, but that is one scum-filled wagon.

[PeregrineV]

Summary anyone? Like who is confirmed town because they were protected, or confirmed scum because they were blocked from the kill?

[CarbonFiber]

I was kidding with AP can roleblock three people comment but where did I say JSU is just scum without you?

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't get this way of looking at things at all. AP was the one who was coming up with new ways to scumread me and I've pointed this out several times.

Please. please. PLEASE Do not pretend like you didn't move the goalposts on your scumread on me, that is just shameful regardless of your alignment.

I wont even deny that I have been doing the same. I expressed concern that I MIGHT BE DOING EXACTLY THIS AND AM BIASED not like 2 pages ago. I'm not the one SO TUNNELY that I am speculating that you must be a triple roleblocking Godfather. Like literally any possible thing you can think of that the scumteam might have is now part of my role so long as it justifies your worldview! Its actually absurd. You wanna know the truth? Im scumreading you because YOLOGUTLOL. You come off scummy to me. Your attitude feels way to focused/controlled and that makes the outbreak at Tammy look orchestrated. Your refusal to vote mastin

and then agreeing with RG and/oi simply outright stating that Nacho is scummy for doing this

is just WOW. I see nothing but cognitive dissonance when I read your posts and blatant interpretation of NEW EVENTS IN THE THREAD with a preset lens to interpret them to fit your worldview.

Have I been doing this? I like to think not, but sure Im not going to claim to be flawless. I think you are scum. Im simply not hiding behind someone else's read and calling it infallible to hand-wave away a cop level clear on me. This is made especially egregious by your assertion that there are multiple cops in the game and I am one of the 2 claimed cops >.> <.< >.> <.<.

But no, you are right. Just keep doing your thing. Maybe later tonight I'll read some of the later RBD posts. I seem to recall them expressing similar sentiments to how I feel.

I'm trying to think of some way we can meet on the same ground and

duel to the death

,

play a children's card game....to the death

actually look at things on the same page without whatever it is that ....I cant even think of a word to explain myself. But you get my point. I guess we just have personality differences? Or something? I do intend to continue reading D1 until Im sort of understanding the dynamic that is going on between us.

--

Lets actually do some activity together so we dont just keep saying the same shit. Foxhound and Magenta seem to both be ??? for us (although I have Fox more as null and Magenta more as scum). Lets both make talking points for these players with an open mind and compare them and see if we feel similarly?

[AngryPidgeon]

And by that I mean...Im going to review D1 in particular and also probably D2 when thinking about Fox and Orcinus. I will try and make some points about them both ways when I can. Wont be until later tonight though at earliest..company meeting at work, weird day for me here.

[CarbonFiber]

I don't get this way of looking at things at all. AP was the one who was coming up with new ways to scumread me and I've pointed this out several times.

Please. please. PLEASE Do not pretend like you didn't move the goalposts on your scumread on me, that is just shameful regardless of your alignment.

I wont even deny that I have been doing the same. I expressed concern that I MIGHT BE DOING EXACTLY THIS AND AM BIASED not like 2 pages ago. I'm not the one SO TUNNELY that I am speculating that you must be a triple roleblocking Godfather. Like literally any possible thing you can think of that the scumteam might have is now part of my role so long as it justifies your worldview! Its actually absurd. You wanna know the truth? Im scumreading you because YOLOGUTLOL. You come off scummy to me. Your attitude feels way to focused/controlled and that makes the outbreak at Tammy look orchestrated. Your refusal to vote mastin

and then agreeing with RG and/oi simply outright stating that Nacho is scummy for doing this

is just WOW. I see nothing but cognitive dissonance when I read your posts and blatant interpretation of NEW EVENTS IN THE THREAD with a preset lens to interpret them to fit your worldview.

Okay, first off, I just said I was kidding about the triple roleblocking GF. I still suspect a GF though. My scumread on you is mostly based on how you approached your scumread of me + inability to see the big picture in my posting. It is really obvious that I am putting an intense amount of effort into solving the game and I think you are looking at things that a player of your caliber should understand aren't alignment indicative. I wouldn't mind so much if a less skilled player suspected me for stuff like that (like Mac's "

lol, you have no case, ergo you are scum

") but from someone like you, accusations of "buddying," not telling you that I am a miller when you said you would investigate me, calling you and Mastin a scumteam, pushing Mastin while suspecting you, initially ignoring posts should be recognized as not indicative of alignment. Whether or not any of those things are the optimal play as town is debatable but you are well aware that it is not actually indicative of scum. Certainly not more than counterclaiming miller D1 to push a lynch on a notoriously difficult to lynch player, massive activity level and trying to figure out the game, questioning people, trying to make sense of the game and being incredibly emotionally invested in it all of which make my posts transparent as all hell. I've seen the level at which you scumhunt in other games and I am just not seeing it here.

Also, I

disagreed

with RG that Nacho was scummy for not voting while agreeing with his other points. See bolded:

Because I have no idea where his read flip on mastin came from

His read not only flipped but he championed the mastin lynch while not voting mastin at all

He was on that shit katsuki wagon so there's some BoP in this (same with AP and JSU)

I also don't trust him at all so of course this all should be taken with several grains of salt

Okay, I agree. This was mostly what I was concerned about as well

although I wouldn't say not voting Mastin was significant.

Have I been doing this? I like to think not, but sure Im not going to claim to be flawless. I think you are scum. Im simply not hiding behind someone else's read and calling it infallible to hand-wave away a cop level clear on me. This is made especially egregious by your assertion that there are multiple cops in the game and I am one of the 2 claimed cops >.> <.< >.> <.<.

But no, you are right. Just keep doing your thing. Maybe later tonight I'll read some of the later RBD posts. I seem to recall them expressing similar sentiments to how I feel.

I'm trying to think of some way we can meet on the same ground and

duel to the death

,

play a children's card game....to the death

actually look at things on the same page without whatever it is that ....I cant even think of a word to explain myself. But you get my point. I guess we just have personality differences? Or something? I do intend to continue reading D1 until Im sort of understanding the dynamic that is going on between us.

--

Lets actually do some activity together so we dont just keep saying the same shit. Foxhound and Magenta seem to both be ??? for us (although I have Fox more as null and Magenta more as scum). Lets both make talking points for these players with an open mind and compare them and see if we feel similarly?

I intend to re-read the game as well tonight and I'll try to make sense of Foxhound and Magenta.

[Titan]

There is plenty of Tammy to go around for the both of you, play nice and share.

You tell em! I have a very big heart and love you all

[Titan]

And part of my problem is that you're not actually looking at everything.

This is just wrong. The only person who has been looking at everything is me. It is also such a generic accusation and I am not even sure what it is reference to.

You're discounting some things because you have a *strong read* which is fine but coming up with new ways that AP is scum without for one second considering the possibility that JSU is scum is a whole metric fuckton of confirmation bias.

I don't get this way of looking at things at all. AP was the one who was coming up with new ways to scumread me and I've pointed this out several times.

I, for one, don't see how you can be so sure.

I explained it in my huge wall on BRO-Desp. I explained that their posting has been really town in the neighborhood. I can't see how that was missed. It is one thing to not be convinced but I don't get why you think

I'm

scum for townreading them other than my wall on Penguin in Wicked eliciting a similar reaction from her. It did because it was genuine. It means nothing for my affiliation if I can post genuine meta as scum.

I have postulated that you are so sure because you guys are partnered because it's really the only reason why you've been going on about AP but not really pushing him and then using the Mastin scum read AP so he's scum scum scum!

I think Nacho is scum so I am scum with Nacho. I think AP is scum so I am scum with AP. Either way, I am scum. I am apparently finding new ways that AP is scum but not actually pushing him.

When Mastin isn't all that great at reading AP; I mean in Anything Goes he was 100% certain AP was scum when he was town telling like crazy. The day two suggestion that it should be AP instead of Mastin after you declared that Pieguy was the only person you trusted to lead the town and Pieguy was tunneling on Mastin. Why did you all of a sudden decide to suggest the day should go away from where the leader was saying to go? In some instances you look like you're trying to tie your partner AP to people in a weird manner.

I explained this already. My "town leader" thing about Pie was referring to Mastin's posts about him being a town leader and me saying that I trust Pie more than Mastin.

Like, are you actually kidding me with the "

Woah... Tammy, this is EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY something I've been thinking and worried about. I haven't even mentioned it to Ceph yet because I thought it was too out there, but I feel so irrationally happy right now.

" This is just... bad.

Are you getting after me here. If so beep beep.

I'm not going to do anything that requires actual thought until Saturday probably because FINALS WEEK.

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In other news - eagerly awaiting VCA from Bro!

Also, thinking Penguin might be town. Anyway she's reassuring me she is!