League of Legends (Old)

[animorpherv1]

Graves is now often picked as a counter to lucian.

As a Graves main, I disagree largely. Graves and Lucian do a lotof the same things - which is why, in the LCS, if Lucian is picked, they'll pick Graves instead.

[MrZepher]

i've heard from three lcs ad carries (DL, Wildturtle and Sneaky) that the top 3 ads are graves, corki and twitch
and this was all within this last week and a half (for the allstars patch).

i'm more inclined to listen to people who play that role for a living than a bunch of random people on some mafia forum thread.

[xRECKONERx]

LCS people think those carries are better at LCS levels of play.

Nobody here is even remotely close to LCS levels of play, so what is "good" and "synergetic" at these levels is gonna be way, way, way different.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Lucian does Graves' and Corki's job better.

Except they're currently picked more often for doing what lucian does.
Graves is now often picked as a counter to lucian.

I can sit here and talk about why but history dictates that the only people who are smart enough to pay attention already know.

Lmao are you making stats on the spot?

Lucian - 26.61% pick rate, 51.19% winrate
Graves - 9.25% pick rate, 49.79% winrate
Corki - 2.45% pick rate, 49.85% winrate

Lucian most popular champion right now in challenger: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na ... challenger

Lucian 2nd most popular champion in diamond: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na ... ue=diamond

I can sit here and talk about how to read statistics but history dictates that the only people who are smart enough to pay attention already know.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

LCS people think those carries are better at LCS levels of play.

Nobody here is even remotely close to LCS levels of play, so what is "good" and "synergetic" at these levels is gonna be way, way, way different.

The sad thing is, even

in

LCS, Lucian was a ban/pick champion towards the end.

[DeathNote]

I can't adc without first getting a better computer. It will never happen.

[Saki]

Lucian does Graves' and Corki's job better.

Except they're currently picked more often for doing what lucian does.
Graves is now often picked as a counter to lucian.

I can sit here and talk about why but history dictates that the only people who are smart enough to pay attention already know.

k so Lucian has the strongest early game damage
idk how another early game champion with less damage counters him

there really isn't a single adc that can duel lucian and win unless you count on a Quinn landing her blind

[PJ.]

I have high success with both Corki and my girl Jinx against Lucian. I like Cait against him as well if I'm looking to draw the lane. MF is supposed to be really strong right now too, and she probably handles Luc.

[BROseidon]

This is what the ADC tier list right now look alike:

S-tier:

Twitch

A-Tier:

Lucian
Graves
Corki
MF
Cait
Jinx

B-Tier:

Vayne
Tristana
Sivir

Please don't pick this tier:

Everything else.

[PJ.]

lol, looks like an awful tierlist that doesn't include 2 of 3 highest win rate adcs.

[Papa Zito]

What changed about Twitch to make him so strong?

[quadz08]

What changed about MF to make her not-shit anymore?

[PJ.]

What changed about Twitch to make him so strong?

Sneaky Sneaky

[PJ.]

What changed about MF to make her not-shit anymore?

Read the patch notes 2 or 3 patchs ago, too much to say..

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/g ... ssfortune2

[quadz08]

Huh. Must have missed that somehow. Neat!

[BROseidon]

lol, looks like an awful tierlist that doesn't include 2 of 3 highest win rate adcs.

lolwat.

[BROseidon]

Also, Riot giving an AP ratio to double up makes the MF/Sona lane stronger.

[BROseidon]

Oh shit I forgot Varus.

He should be B-tier.

[Papa Zito]

What changed about Twitch to make him so strong?

Sneaky Sneaky

He's always been sneaky sneaky tho

[PJ.]

but now he says it, it's OP.

[Iecerint]

I never understood what made Sivir fall out of the meta in the latter part of the S4 split. Her balance wasn't touched during that time. Corki, Graves, and MF were buffed, I guess.

[Iecerint]

Also, Riot giving an AP ratio to double up makes the MF/Sona lane stronger.

Ooh, nice; this hadn't occurred to me. ^^~

[animorpherv1]

BRO, no Draven? I get he has a high skillcap, but a good Draven is really good at punishing enemies for their mistakes - and this is soloq, that happens A LOT.

Spoiler: My ADC Tier List For SoloQ

S-Tier (PICK OR BAN):

Lucian

A-Tier (Solid all-around picks, good chance of hard carrying if skilled):

Twitch
Graves (Just a side-note on Graves, if you're not fed and dominating the mid game, you're doing it wrong)
Miss Fortune
Jinx
Draven
Corki

B-Tier (Reasonable picks if skilled with the champs):

Vayne
Caitlyn
Varus
Sivir
Tristana

C-Tier (Can fit if the teamcomp or bottom lane works, but there's better picks):

Ashe
Ezreal
Kog'Maw

D-Tier (Avoid in bottom unless HIGHLY skilled):

Quinn
Urgot

[PJ.]

so are we all just taking turns putting champs in arbitrary order that doesn't actually represent how strong they are? Like who's gonna roll the random.org generator next and decide who the best champ is?

[animorpherv1]

I wanna see yours too, then If you want, I can put my reasons beside every champ.