Mini 1566: Lunar Silver Star Story Complete (Game Over)

[Jake from State Farm]

Muffin/ aegor/ hkc. You 3 also need to put in the work also.

I'm not going to allow any town to skate by so anyone putting in minimal effort is claiming scum.

The lurking and half-assing ends now.

[zMuffinMan]

i was going to write a response to you telling you exactly why you're wrong about every single thing you write but then i realise how anti-town it is to even pretend your opinion matters and that proving you wrong means absolutely nothing so i'm just not going to bother

i apologise to everyone else in the game, i've learned the error of my ways, i will no longer even read anything jake writes.

[Jake from State Farm]

Top scum read and why. Make your case. Refusal is claiming scum ( though you and I know you are already scum)

[Aegor]

The only people who should be policy lynched is you and aegor for violating the mods rules and warnings. I'm pretty pissed at the mod for not punishing aegor but policy lynching me is a fucking riot.

As far as I am aware, I broke no rules and violated no warnings. Why would I then deserve any punishment?

I correctly identified scum before anyone else. I made a great case on smp before anyone else. Sure I had doubts at times like I do with every lynch, but ultimately I was right. I'm not going to be a liability at lylo. You, aegor, and hkc are the fucking liability cause the 3 of you combined did less than I have done this game when it comes to finding scum. Sure aegor wants to claim he was partly responsible for smp but he fucking sheeped me day 1 and didn't do dick til day 2 when he sheeped sangres.

I never said I was responsible for SMP. I said that your effort contributed exactly nothing in my suspicion of SMP. I did not even know you were voting him because I never paid attention to any of your posts after like page 3 until the last five pages or so, and only then because you are so insufferable.

So you 3 can go take a long walk off a short pier cause I'm the only one who made a case for smp scum. Anti gets partial credit for role blocking him and catching him in a lie, but nobody else gets credit for being sheep.

I stated my reasons for voting SMP. And the suggestion that your case was somehow more damning than Anti's work is laughable.

[Aegor]

Nobody has shown how they reached their conclusions based on facts of the game. People pushing Mac need to show why Mac/smp make sense. People pushing hkc needs to show why they make sense.

Those pushing lynches now need only show that [player]/SMP is plausible.

[Aegor]

You bolded the wrong part, and you didn't explain anything. Unless you are admitting that you are simply trying to set up my/Mac's lynch on future days?

The second one. I definitely bolded the right part.

[Aegor]

Oh, and I say we lynch Jake. Would be willing to lynch Mac as well, if the wagon swings that way.

[Aegor]

Actually, if Jake is not going to be lynched, please just lynch me.

[Squirrel Girl]

I have to admit, Jake's posting feels like incredibly frustrated and indignant town to me. If he's faking - he has hoodwinked me fully. I can't understand why so many people are voting him, my presumption is it's more because he grates on them (or is a tempting mislynch) than an actual valid read on him as scum. I really dislike those votes and would love to have all of them find new and happy homes that would love them.

HKC has cookies and peach cobbler on her wagon.

As for your first question...

VOTE: Jake

^You see how terrible this vote is? Now look at Aegor's ISO and realize that stuff like this isn't a one-off thing, it's been a constant throughout the game.

I've seen other Aegor games. This does not feel unusual in the grand scope of his playstyle. Now, I suppose we could debate whether it's a good playstyle, sure, but I think you're making a really shallow case here that is, functionally, no better than an RVS vote. Yeah, he might flip scum - but you aren't showing any real evidence to suggest he's scum, so why are you so attached to that vote?

[zMuffinMan]

Actually, if Jake is not going to be lynched, please just lynch me.

i would prefer not to lynch him

give me a little bit to finish reading and i'll get back to you on it but i really think it's best to just pretend he's not in the game

[Squirrel Girl]

Actually, if Jake is not going to be lynched, please just lynch me.

Stop doing this. If you are town this is one of the worst posts I have seen. Seriously now, articulate your stance or replace out because you can't handle Jake being a meanie-pants, but don't make weird emotional blackmail demands.

[Squirrel Girl]

give me a little bit to finish reading and i'll get back to you on it but i really think it's best to just pretend he's not in the game

And Muffin, seriously. How about you stop sideways needling him like this. Clearly he's an emotive guy. You've proddded him far enough to get a read...and are still barely reading him. It's not the moral high ground if you have to keep announcing how you're doing it.

[zMuffinMan]

i don't mean to "needle" him. i have only said what i actually think about him (without insults) and now i am seriously not reading any of his posts.

[zMuffinMan]

unless i am just not allowed to talk about him at all i don't really get why you're trying to play diplomat here

[Squirrel Girl]

I don't mean to sound weird about this but; if reading his posts is so upsetting to you, maybe you should just replace out and not play in games with a player that brings you to a boil so easily? As an alternate option, drink some chamomile tea or something, get a stress ball maybe? There is no reason for two adults to be unable to converse with each other in a game of Mafia. I get that the two of you disagree on points - hip-hooray! That doesn't mean name calling and chest beating are the only solutions. I think you're both likely town, I am also of the opinion that the entire battle between you is pretty disruptive and bad and is a negative effect for town, and is based on both of you just being peevish at the other. I'm finding you the more frustrating of the pair, because it feels like you're egging on his outbursts, which is fueling a wagon on him - a wagon whose case is "We find Jake obnoxious, hurr, he must be scum!" which is a case I'm very much against.

So please just stop the repetative need to proudly poitn out that you're not reading him, and maybe also just, y'know, read him in order to play the game? That would be awesomesauce in my world!

[Aegor]

Stop doing this. If you are town this is one of the worst posts I have seen. Seriously now, articulate your stance or replace out because you can't handle Jake being a meanie-pants, but don't make weird emotional blackmail demands.

I am willing to tolerate Jake's pathetic abuse. I am not willing to tolerate his cancerous effect on this game.

But, yes, if we collectively agree to ignore every single thing Jake says, I will vote Mac.

[Aegor]

I don't mean to sound weird about this but; if reading his posts is so upsetting to you, maybe you should just replace out and not play in games with a player that brings you to a boil so easily? As an alternate option, drink some chamomile tea or something, get a stress ball maybe? There is no reason for two adults to be unable to converse with each other in a game of Mafia. I get that the two of you disagree on points - hip-hooray! That doesn't mean name calling and chest beating are the only solutions. I think you're both likely town, I am also of the opinion that the entire battle between you is pretty disruptive and bad and is a negative effect for town, and is based on both of you just being peevish at the other. I'm finding you the more frustrating of the pair, because it feels like you're egging on his outbursts, which is fueling a wagon on him - a wagon whose case is "We find Jake obnoxious, hurr, he must be scum!" which is a case I'm very much against.

SG, we must be operating in different realities. In the one I happen to be occupying, Jake, unprovoked, started insulting other players, calling them worthless, erroneously asserting that they violated the rules, and dismissed any contributions they had made to the game while engaging in revisionist propaganda that described his valiant and precise crusade against scum that all of the unwashed sheeply could only follow with no reasons of their own.

Forgive me for not wanting to engage with said player, especially when his posts have nothing of interest in them anyway. Forgive me also for firmly suggesting that a player who is not easily upset by reading posts could still choose to ignore said player.

[zMuffinMan]

brings you to a boil

i am not angry, it's more of a "i have lost all faith in humanity" disappointment type feeling actually

i don't want to lose anymore faith than i already have, thus the simplest solution is to completely ignore him. which i will do.

i could replace out, i suppose, but that would mean putting someone else through this and i don't think i could live with myself if i forced another player to read his posts in my stead. maybe you're perfectly fine with watching someone get tortured. i could not do that to another human being.

[zMuffinMan]

Jake, unprovoked, started insulting other players, calling them worthless

exactly

and then he criticises others who are saying things that aren't actually insulting at all

i am done reading anything he ever writes

[Aegor]

@Jake:

For someone who is saying that everyone else is doing jack shit, maybe you should read your own posts:

You can't really get anything based off interactions

because SMP only mentioned scar 3 times day 1 and scar never mentioned smp. The only other thing nagging at me is smp never mentioned the ??? votes moving around until the ??? vote ended up on Scar and then he pointed it out. It's all gut so obviously it's nothing concrete but that reaction reads like confused/nervous scum.

The bolded holds true for most players other than muffin as well. Also, what the fuck are you talking about? When SMP first mentioned the ??? vote (581), the ??? vote was on SMP.

And that is IMO a much, much more tenuous case than the legitimate case against Mac, who

still

has not engaged in any scumhunting since the beginning of the game. Oh, and he was on the HS wagon but not the SMP one.

[Aegor]

VOTE: Mac

[Squirrel Girl]

I'll make this my last post on the subject since this is starting to already move away from my goal of delving into this. If everything above is true then both of you should replace out or both of you should ask the mod to force replace Jake. Both of those are not negative effects to the game.

But by choosing not to read a player's posts or to vote park a player for outside of game alignment reasons is an in-game solution to an out-of-game problem.

I am not looking to defend whether Jake is a pleasant person. I am of the opinion he is town aligned this game though - so I don't think we need anymore discussion about him not relating to game specific issues and I really, really, don't want to read any more wagon pushing on him that has to do with a belief he is a ponce or something. Muffin should be doing more catchup so we can finally see reads, not sparring with Jake or debating about Jake with me. Aegor should develop a case or (please oh please) move his vote to a viable wagon and help end this horrid solo vote wagon cavalcade we have going on right now. That's what I want, it's really all I want as far as this goes.

Edit: Thank you Aegor.

[Squirrel Girl]

In fact;

Vote: Mac

That's L-2.
It's also our, by far, biggest wagon.

[zMuffinMan]

@squirrel girl

Smp knowing he was blocked had to either guess lucky or try and clear a partner

this is the last line i read from jake before i decided "nope, just not worth interacting with him ever"

he literally thinks it's a smart move for scum who was blocked to claim a result on a partner anyway

and he cannot fathom the concept of rolefishing

and thinks that SMP's only option was to guess lucky when someone claimed a role block on him

i cannot possibly take anything he says seriously if he thinks this makes sense. it is quite possibly the worst reasoning i've ever seen for someone calling me scum and i have been called scum for talking like a pirate. i thought that was the lowest point it could get to, but jake is going for the record here.

so i will not be reading any of his posts anymore. i have to put up with him this game until one of us dies (and god knows he's never going to be night killed) so i am just going to ignore anything he writes

i find it disingenuous that you suggest i am fueling the wagon on him because everything i wrote quite clearly indicates i do not want to lynch him in spite of how much of a liability i think he is. i also think you're playing diplomat here as a form of buddying up to him because i do not believe you could honestly think he hasn't been the initiator in everything that's happened here (i did not insult him prior to him going on about how everyone else was being useless, i don't think anyone else did either). i think you're scum trying to paint the people attacking jake in a bad light

[zMuffinMan]

Mac, who still has not engaged in any scumhunting since the beginning of the game. Oh, and he was on the HS wagon but not the SMP one.

the same could be said for AJ

but only one of mac/AJ can be scum

and i like the AJ slot a lot less than than mac slot