Tales of You (Endgame)

[The Fox and the Hound]

I hope it lets up. I barely ever stay up past midnight (and often need to be up at 5 these days!), so I don't know how I'd survive.

PEdit: That's pretty fair actually.

[Titan]

I've been working to a grading free weekend!

Summer starts Monday, so I just want a weekend if it means I have to stay up all night during the week to do it!

[The Fox and the Hound]

Awesome. Hopefully you're awake enough to enjoy it!

Ahh, why can't mafia just be like this?

[Nachomamma8]

DV it's really strange that such a sweetheart like you prefers scum

[Titan]

*summer semester

mafia is always like this sometimes!

I will be awake enough to enjoy it. i Just need to sleep today to get it, but Skype already messed up my sleeping schedule so!

[The Fox and the Hound]

DV it's really strange that such a sweetheart like you prefers scum

I'm going to disagree on the sweetheart thing, but I actually suspect that the preferring scum thing might be changing. I think before I loved it because my life was just a whole bunch of masks anyway, and so it was something I felt more confident in just because I'd sort of had real life practice at it. Now, although I probably haven't made much progress in this area, I've become really tired of wearing masks and desire nothing more than the opportunity to be completely open, so being scum has become less appealing I think. I'll probably have to play another scumgame to find out for sure because even though I felt kind of indifferent during my last one I had activity problems during that. Also this is probably more than any of you wanted to know about me, but yeah!

*summer semester

mafia is always like this sometimes!

I will be awake enough to enjoy it. i Just need to sleep today to get it, but Skype already messed up my sleeping schedule so!

And here I was thinking that summer meant holiday.

[Titan]

Oh heh nope, no holiday or I wouldn't stay up all night multiple nights just to try to get a weekend off, in a month though!

And <3 for mask talk

[The Fox and the Hound]

Thank you Tammy.

[Titan]

So apparently that was just a rare nacho sighting and all my hopes and dreams that he'd *do something* in my fleeting awake moments were all dashed upon stony rocks, so I'll bow y head in sadness and go to sleep.

[Titan]

Nachos probs scum though.

How I feel right now.

[Nachomamma8]

Goodnight Tammy!

[Nachomamma8]

So apparently that was just a rare nacho sighting and all my hopes and dreams that he'd *do something* in my fleeting awake moments were all dashed upon stony rocks, so I'll bow y head in sadness and go to sleep.

(get some sleep so you're able to properly digest my posts)

[Titan]

I EXPECT SOMETHING GREAT!!!

[Titan]

REVELATIONS! AN ASS KICKING FOR WHERE IM WRONG!!! SYMPATHY FOR MY DESPAIR!!!

I'll take it, not picky, if you can just bring the jazz...

...or fumble so we can lynch you!

[Titan]

VOTE: nacho

Night folks!

[Nachomamma8]

Goodnight Tammy!!!

[The Fox and the Hound]

Spoiler: CarbonFiber

-I still like FT's first post.
-The account of FT and F-16's interaction in 418 feels genuine.
-I like 443 and there definitely is a great deal of effort put into his posts.
-Note: RG only non-likely town in early CF reads list.
-Posts such as 639 and 646 feel town because it just seems so unnecessary from F-16 as scum, and doesn't have the advantage later posts had of being emotional and the type of thing scum could do to look town. Obviously not true if Titan is scum, but I don't think I'm going to be thinking that.

I tend to re-evaluate reads if my townreads disagree with me if I am not confident about them. But if I am, I am usually the one persuading the others to lay off and it shows more with my townreads i.e. I am more stubborn about derailing bad lynches than caring too much about which of my non-townreads are lynched.

Keep the above in mind for later.

Only halfway through page 1 over their ISO, but it's getting to the point where there are so many posts I'm reading over at least twice when I realize I wasn't actually thinking about their alignment the first time, so this will have to continue tomorrow!

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Beli, how are those townreads stale and not Nacho?

Nacho's push on Mastin pinged my towndar hard, but you and Fox haven't said anything that's given me any insight into your alignment lately.

Lots of words, words, words, but so little that's been helpful fmpov. Nothing, actually.

In your case, I had you in my townlist at least partially due to bias; after that JerryArr game, I really, really wanted you to be town so we could auto-win, and here we are one lynch away from xylo and zero scum down. Wish fulfilment reads don't make sense this close to endgame. Not when it's going to take a miracle or a genius to bring home a town win.

[Just Sheep Us]

Tammy, do you realize why I am so frustrated with this game?

Because I'm not blindly believing desbro is town when they refuse to act like it?

This sort of bullshit is why I'm pseudo-retiring from mafia.

I don't "refuse to act like town." We have a town role pm. We've been town all fucking game.

Your model being broken and you refusing to acknowledge it is the problem here.

It was the problem in Wicked.

It's been the problem every time I've gotten mislynched, which happens way too fucking often given the caliber of player I am (or rather, other's perception of the caliber of player I am)

[Just Sheep Us]

Now tel me about broseidon. Either he bows at the altar of I suck at mafia this game, he recognizes his pushes have been bad, especially him going back on a strong town read in katsuki, or no I'm going to accept he's scum and his lack of making sense means he's attack on Titan bro scum who came after me for bullshit reasons. And I just got out of he reckoning and watched des makeup bullshit to a high degree.

mastin push was bad.

RBD and Katsuki pushes had sound theory behind them, even if they were wrong in this specific instance.

[Just Sheep Us]

And that is the main reason I keep thinking you town and that's horrible of me because it also feels like manipulation, but desbro are not bring town and it's so frustrating that no one else sees what they're planning to do tomorrow,

Have you already said what this means?

They're going to fake a guilty tomorrow in lylo. It's fucking obvious.

Except our role doesn't distinguish b/w a guilty and a block so...

[Just Sheep Us]

I mean come on does anyone really believe even night tracker who doubles as a cop who just so happened to track ap to Stalin when katsuki claimed to block him?

If we were scum, we would have let it play out without us CCing it.

That's not even WIFOM. That's looking at a decision tree and picking the thing that dominates the other thing.

[Just Sheep Us]

"Catching" is different from lynching. I'm sure there were quite a few people who "caught" you in all those amazing scumgames. They just didn't succeed in getting you lynched because of your rhetorical abilities. I understand and appreciate your playstyle (or so I think). I wouldn't expect someone who doesn't to be able to read you as well? Also, I'm pretty sure I caught Nacho in less than 25 posts in more than one game anyways. Like here and fairly quickly here.

Like in Anything Goes when you were confscum, and DGB CALLED YOU CONFTOWN BECAUSE AP/I WERE CALLING YOU CONFSCUM.

[Just Sheep Us]

@Mod, BRO head V/LA through Monday

Ugh, trying to think about this from a scum POV right now. Scum need 2 more mislynches.

Just Sheep Us – Viable mislynch
Red Gyarados – Viable mislynch if town, probably scum
magenta_thegreat – Viable mislynch if town, probably scum
Titan – Viable mislynch if town, member of the unconfirmed-to-me group I'm most willing to call town b/c of F-16
Angry Pidgeon – Unlynchable while I'm alive
Penguin_Alien – Viable mislynch if town, probably scum
Nachomamma8 – Viable mislynch if town, probably scum
Breakfast With Stalin – Unlynchable while I'm alive
Carbon Fiber – Unlynchable
The Fox and the Hound – Viable mislynch if town, probably scum
PeregrineV – Unlynchable

F-16, there's some stuff I want to run by you in the neighborhood QT because reasons.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP is making logically sound statements while ignoring the context. Something that makes sense for good scum to do. He's right that it is theoretically possible for scum-BRO to have a meltdown but is ignoring that the overall circumstances point to it being much more likely town.

Oh ffs. I haven't read that since it happened. The context isn't going to make one bit of difference in my opinion. BRO wanted to lynch RBD, he got votes, shit happened.

The fact that he 'wanted to lynch RBD so bad' is YOUR point for why this must be from town and TBH its pretty unrelated to the whole incident. I was tunneling on Grimgroove in Legends of the Hidden Temple and when I got wagoned I was having a shitty day and flipped out at everyone just flat out. And people called me town for it. Im not saying its a direct comparison, but your point is bad and you calling me scum for ignoring something irrelevant is terrible. Secondly, Tammy has said that she agrees with me on this stance but you are chosing to argue with me/call me scum instead of doing the same to Tammy over this. That is selective and shows you are trying to tread lightly around Tammy because your alliance with her is so fragile. Thats not town motivated.

They are genuinely working to solve the game, putting effort

Woah stop right there. I see very hollow townreads from them
Tammy - They are literally just sheeping common consensus
Me - Cop clear
Stalin - cop clear
PV - claim
You - claim

They actually have zero townreads based on their interpretations of people's play and I dont see any attempt from either of them to try and sort anything.

Thirdly, what they are saying makes sense. How they are approaching the game makes sense. It is true that PV is very likely town, that Stalin is town, and that Titan is town. It is true that me counterclaiming a slot with zMuffin in it is absurd. AP is continuing to ignore it creating all sorts of hypotheticals about how I could do it as scum when it just makes no fucking sense.

I just cant. I just cant keep circlejerking about this. If anyone had actually brought up something to do with play in this game towards backing their arguments I might be bothered to put on a good face and talk about it, but I just cant.

The vig claim does not make PV town.
CCing a townie does not make you town.
Zmuffin being the person you have CC'd does not make a damn difference in my eyes.

Duly noted that you opted not to talk about their read on me in this post where you just agree with all of their other stances as a justification for townreading them.

I've put so much into this game. I have a cop clear on me. I am being protown. CF continues to ignore it and move the goalposts about his read on me, creating all sorts of hypotheticals about my role and how I could be something as scum when it just makes no fucking sense.

I cant keep doing this. Im slipping back into apathy. Same confirmation bais from everyone, same bullshit. No effort from JSU to try and work with me, just implying that Im shit for having doubts about their play this game which has been pretty damn nonexistent. OH BUT THEIR CLAIM. Their claim and BRO GETTING EMOTIONAL. Clearly they are conftown lets not question it ever, that would be immoral. Ok.