Mini 1576 - Timeshift Mafia II - Endgame

[Bane]

mod-We are voting metal sonic

[Kcdaspot]

What town is worried about their own wagon?

It didn't come across as worried to me.

It looked forcibly neutral to me. Especially when he proceeds to ignore Dr Pants' vote entirely and write off Anatole and Pie's votes as "just for the hell of it." So he sees a wagon and him and thinks "oh, fun, let's rock!" and then only does a cursory analysis of one of the votes. The content doesn't follow from the attitude presented.

I SHALL FOLLOW THIS MAN TO THE GRAVE.

LISTEN TO HIM MORE DAMMIT!

[Dr Pants]

mod - im voting jeesh, jeesh isnt voting me

[D3f3nd3r]

VC 1.4 (5/16/14)
PeregrineV (L-7)
Bulbazak (L-6) PeregrineV
Anatole Kuragin (L-6) Metal Sonic
Kcdaspot (L-7)
Jeesh5 (L-6) Dr Pants
Dr Pants (L-6) Ms Kazekirimara
Bane (L-7)
VictorDeAngelo (L-3) Anatole Kuragin, InflatablePie, Messiah Complex, Kcdaspot
Messiah Complex (L-7)
Bbmolla (L-6) VictorDeAngelo
Metal Sonic (L-4) Jeesh5, Bbmolla, Bane
Ms Kazekirimara (L-6) Bulbazak
InflatablePie (L-7)
No Lynch (L-7)
Not Voting (0)

I think this is right...?

[Kcdaspot]

oh fucking hell the town has stalled...

WTG guys G fucking G

[Bane]

I don't know how to take people thinking that molla wanted all hearts and rainbows with that post cos he is from em.

surely some of you have heard of that before?

eta: I bet you wouldn't be metal

I don't see the correlation between EM and anything from this game. Please expand on this comment. I am from EM myself, and do still play there for the stupidly obnoxious sandbox games of 12p randomroles.

lol @ Bane claiming scum

This comment was forced, and directly made so in future you could refer back to it saying we claimed scum. Why didn't you make this comment in your first post directly after my stupidly obvious not-a-real-claim claim? If you really cared that I claimed that for the purpose of making a point, you would have brought up your hesitations to dismiss the claim as face value immediately and not ignored it until a second post shortly after.

no im gonna keep misusing terms.

Jeesh quit lurking already!
Kaze thinks I'm scum, so hes scum! this is called WIFOM!
im so sad im being bullied this is fluff!
I love Dark Souls! What AtE!

I think you have the wrong definition of Lurking as well. Lurking is what scum does when town is imploding on themselves. It implies they are actively reading the thread, and avoiding posting any content and merely posting a filler here and there to avoid prods, while town cuts each other down with a chainsaw. Lurking is NOT refreshing the thread page every 5 seconds looking for new posts so you can reply to Every. Single. One. Which is annoying as well, but not scummy. And yes that is what Jeesh is doing. Not lurking.

Also, for talking about fluff your last line was 100% fluff intended to divert a subset of the town into a pointless fluff argument. Quit causing fluff. Don't start off-topic tangents, keep your mind on the game. If you want to talk about Dark Souls, PM Jeese and Ms Daze (or whatever her name is cant remember off the top of my head) with a CC to the mod to prove your not discussing the game outside of the game. Although now, I would hesitate to do that as I could construe seeing Dark Souls Discussion as being game-realted in the mod's eyes should you take to discussing it.

But stop fluffing.

oh fucking hell the town has stalled...

WTG guys G fucking G

KCDA, go away. The town did not stall in <24 hours, while the game is still actively posting. Quit trying to get 10 pages an hour. If the game goes 36 hours or more without a new page in the thread, then the town has stalled. Until then, the game is at a perfectly natural pace and you need to stop trying to force activity, which will be sporadic and content-less at best.

[Dr Pants]

i cant tell if you thought i was serious or if you went for the double sarcasm.

[Dr Pants]

also I understand that particular post was unnecessary and kinda dickish, I was just getting annoyed by Mollie's sass so I sassed back

[PeregrineV]

I saw people talking to me but heading home now. Might be back on later tonight.

[BBmolla]

This comment was forced, and directly made so in future you could refer back to it saying we claimed scum. Why didn't you make this comment in your first post directly after my stupidly obvious not-a-real-claim claim? If you really cared that I claimed that for the purpose of making a point, you would have brought up your hesitations to dismiss the claim as face value immediately and not ignored it until a second post shortly after.

Ok

[BBmolla]

This isn't Maru is it? I don't remember Maru being such a buzzkill.

[InflatablePie]

@P5:
151 - congrats, that outlines what he was trying to say. I still don't like his vote on MS into vote on Molla in the same post, as I said. I second pants's question in 154 but I think you're more townie for that so... I'm not thrilled with moving off the Victor wagon but eh.

Jeesh:

155 - not a fan of the question dodging. I asked both of you to elaborate some things: red-change on Victor and some of the reads you've gleamed with all the damn questions. It's frustrating, and I'm not intending to misrep you guys but (from how I interpreted things) y'all basically said it's anti-town to give your reads and I don't quite understand. I mean, I do on a "basic mafia theory" level, but I also don't get it at all. (I agree w/ 223). funnily enough I'm willing to call you guys as town.

liking Messiah's post in 209, I actually missed that because I'm more concerned with the vote-thing.

P5, Jeesh, Messiah, MsKaze are town enough - 6 down, 7 to go. Bane/Anatole/Molla/MS I need to get more solid reads on (and probably have enough content to get reads), Kcda/Pants/Bulba haven't done much.

p.s. -

IF YOU WANT PEEPS TO PLAY THEN EFFING SEND A MESSAGE WHEN DAY STARTS. fucking hell... rereading.

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2) go to thread, subscribe thread
3) profit!

p.p.s. as a heads up - esurio's sister is visiting until Tuesday and then

next

Sunday I'll be in the NC Commune, so I might be a bit less active than usual over the next few weeks. I'm lazy enough as is.

[BBmolla]

Bulba is scum.

[Metal Sonic]

The previous few new posts are boring

Let's have some drama

vote victor

L-2

Begin flailing now

[Kcdaspot]

molla r u town?

[Ms Kazekirimara]

@Kaze

Oh good. You're responding to something/participating in the game. That's an improvement at least. If you could at least attempt to look ProTown despite your alignment, that would be wonderful, but I completely understand - It can be hard to convince everyone you're town when you're scum like you are.

Just out of curiosity - why did you not respond to my earlier questions, but as soon as I threaten your life do you pick up your game and answer every one of them? I personally don't think this is ProTown behavior. I don't want to have to put a knife at your throat to get you to help town.

Why should we care about looking town? All we want to do is lynch scum.

And excuse us for not answering your bullshit telemarketer-esque survey questions. We'll answer what we think is pertinent, and ignore the rest, thanks. ^^

oh fucking hell the town has stalled...

WTG guys G fucking G

Sup. You town?

[Bane]

Way to completely avoid my post and not even comment on it KCDA.

This isn't Maru is it? I don't remember Maru being such a buzzkill.

Yes it is Maru, I play differently on forum mafia than I do on sandbox 12p randomroles mafia.

[Jeesh5]

@Kaze

Wanna work with town instead just kinda spectating?

Why don't you share your Victor. Why don't you think he's scum?

[Metal Sonic]

Why should we care about looking town? All we want to do is lynch scum.

And excuse us for not answering your bullshit telemarketer-esque survey questions. We'll answer what we think is pertinent, and ignore the rest, thanks. ^^

[Jeesh5]

@Mod I'm very sick and have limited access to computers and such. This head (Tr1ckster) be V/LA until Monday at the soonest. I can probably check in every once in a while, but that depends on how long I'm awake for.

[Ms Kazekirimara]

@Kaze

Wanna work with town instead just kinda spectating?

Why don't you share your Victor. Why don't you think he's scum?

Meh. We'll do stuff at our own pace.

Who says we think he isn't scum? Who says we think he's anything at the moment? I just said I didn't understand the case.

[Bulbazak]

@Jeesh: What are your reads on Kaze and Molla?

[Dr Pants]

this all is stupid.

on another note
metal sonic: what do hope to get from pressure/a lynch on Victor?

Kaze: if your scum hunting, what's your current opinion on the state of the game?

[BBmolla]

molla r u town?

Yes, I'm just toying with the people trying to make something out of nothing.

[VictorDeAngelo]

MS's SK comment strikes me as odd (which he clears up later). nulltell I think, I can't gleam any alignment indication from the comment. BBMolla disagrees and I don't like his jump here. his post in 90 also feels off to me.

1

Victor's 100 is terrible, a lot of the post just seems forced/artificial to me. also pinged a bit from the voting for MS and immediately switching to Molla. 2 that's a vote I just don't get at all, especially since Molla was on MSonic. really not a fan of the "hey I'm gonna vote this guy for claiming there's an SK then WOAHHEY OTHERGUY VOTED FOR FIRSTGUY, /wagon" reasoning.

1

- We can disagree with my conclusions but I don't get where the forced/artificial read is coming from. I mostly shoot from the hip early game which makes my posting as natural as it can be.

2

- Except those weren't my reasons were voting Molla and I think that should be clear to anyone reading my post.

And how come everyone else is just commenting on people's opinions on me. Is this game revolving around me all of a sudden.

I have a townread on PV should I be worried

Three short posts and your townreading a player. The only thing you should be worried about is giving yourself away as scum so early in the game.

Dr. Pants is conflicting me. I agree with his instantly calling out Molla in 144 but he does't seem to follow up at all. I also hate his assessment of 100, mainly out of his fairly scummy attempts to edit it in 120 (conveniently hidden away in a spoiler) and then overlooking Peregrin's interpretation in 151.

@Victor

How do you believe your drawing attention to yourself and your preference to defend yourself helps town?

Someone is going to get attention Day 1. Why not me? Town players will be able see the player piling on the wagon and reasons and use that to start to form town/scum reads.

What do you think we should look for in scum's response to you?

See who's got a good reason to be the wagon and who hasn't. Look at who has misrepresented me to make their case. Similarly look at who is avoiding the wagon without really trying to prevent the lynch. It may not give away the scum team Day 1 but it should move players in the right direction.

This whole interaction screams wrong to me. BBmolla, what the fuck is this shit? "i like everyone! Unicorns and rainbows for all! Free ponies!" "hey could you pwetty please vote this person I am leading on please? Just because I asked? -bats eyelashes at you prettily-" "sure because I love everyone so I'll follow you anywhere and your pretty eyelash batting!" BBmolla, you aren't this bad. I've played with you before. What's going on here?

Your play by play is cool but I don't see what's wrong with it

Seriously, why is this guy not being wagoned?

Dr. Pants reminds me of something I did in a previous scumgame of accusing people of being emotional when they weren't in 166. This is particularly odd since in the post of Bane's he was referring to Bane was telling other players to reduce the anger levels.

And then this

k so we've devolved to fluff posts.
here's what I'm seeing right now.

I'm mostly curious to hear from PV right now. He's the only person to abandon the Victor wagon. Since his vote on Victor was RVS, and he's suspicious of people on the wagon. That's fine in its own right. However, his reasoning behind voting Bulba is obvious BS. Additionally, he's not just reading the Victor wagon as bad, he's reading Victor as town and the post that put Victor under the spotlight as "an above average post". I'm curious to see if this is cautious town, or safe scum play.

Removing an rvs vote when things get serious is suddenly tantamount to abandoning a wagon. And then because he has an early townread (although to be fair it came across to me as a fairly weak townread) and didn't hate the post he's scummy.

Kdcspot is coming across as hilariously badTown.

No clue what Messiah Complex is getting at with me not defending myself. It's not like there's a legitimate case for me to take on - just generally Day 1 "gotta lynch someone" apathy. The most I got is players saying they didn't like a solitary post.

The previous few new posts are boring

Let's have some drama

vote victor

L-2

Begin flailing now

How cute, now your getting votes you decide to move onto my wagon. And your worried about whether I might start flailing.

Still like my vote on BBMolla, and scumreads on Sonic and Dr. Pants as well. Possibly Inflatable Pie if I'm wrong on Pants/Molla. I'm a little concerned by Bulba as well who's posting a fair bit but nothing particularly probing.

Liking Bane's and Ms Kaze's posting. Still struggling to get a handle on Jeesh but I get some townvibes off the posting. That said I've not played with hydra's before so I don't really know what to expect. Everyone else is still fairly nullish.