Tales of You (Endgame)

[The Fox and the Hound]

I still can't get over how many hoops you're jumping through to make AP scum. This is something that continually bugs me.

Why

doesn't

it make you suspicious that AP is jumping through a bunch of hoops to paint me as scum?

Instead of telling me two millers are unlikely, you should be telling AP that godfathers exist in the game. It is your take on the argument that I find scummy. If feel like you are spending time refuting the arguments of people you are positioning to scumread instead of looking at it objectively and then falling back on a "I have no idea what I am doing."

Because I can kinda see where he's coming from, and it's all based on inthread things anyway rather than cop results.

Of course they do. I am sure he is aware of this. The point does remain that you should be hesitating given the cop result rather than immediately jumping to the godfather conclusion. Overconfidence makes me wary, largely because of who I am.

I'm not positioning. I'm saying what I think about different posts. This is how I play mafia. Eventually it all, in theory, adds up to an opinion. If you look at every comment I've made towards you this game, in entirety I think it's pretty clear I still believe you are probably town. So does DV at present, and I imagine rereading you will probably lead him to affirm that opinion. D3 and 4 have been giving me more doubts than I had before, sure, and the game just generally going to shit is making more dubious of everything in general.

Assuming you are right is not the same as looking at something objectively, and it's kind of silly of you to claim such when you are clearly tunneling.

[AngryPidgeon]

Had you claimed to cf when he made the cc? Cause otherwise that entire post is bullshit

[Just Sheep Us]

After the game you and cabd can laugh at me misunderstanding someone else's role/still believing you're going to claim failed to help get a mislynch in lylo.

[The Fox and the Hound]

This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

There wouldn't. But you hadn't claimed at the time.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Oh, unless you had in the neighborhood?

[Just Sheep Us]

There wouldn't. But you hadn't claimed at the time.

it doesn't matter when we claimed. go back and look, i was basically the only other player supporting falcon's counterclaim based on this reasoning.

[Just Sheep Us]

no one knew anything about our role until we claimed in thread

[Titan]

Tammy, do you realize why I am so frustrated with this game?

Because I'm not blindly believing desbro is town when they refuse to act like it?

This sort of bullshit is why I'm pseudo-retiring from mafia.

I don't "refuse to act like town." We have a town role pm. We've been town all fucking game.

Your model being broken and you refusing to acknowledge it is the problem here.

It was the problem in Wicked.

It's been the problem every time I've gotten mislynched, which happens way too fucking often given the caliber of player I am (or rather, other's perception of the caliber of player I am)

I have a town role pm. Been town all game. Isn't stopping your slot from yelling at me over stupid shit and only town reading me because falcon said to.

Later you bring up anything goes and how you caught us which is super duper lol if you think I could be scum here.

What model?

You getting lynched in wicked was face palm.

I mean we can have a theory debate, but if you get mislynched regularly it can't always be everyone else's fault.

[CarbonFiber]

Because I can kinda see where he's coming from, and it's all based on inthread things anyway rather than cop results.

Of course they do. I am sure he is aware of this. The point does remain that you should be hesitating given the cop result rather than immediately jumping to the godfather conclusion. Overconfidence makes me wary, largely because of who I am.

I'm not positioning. I'm saying what I think about different posts. This is how I play mafia. Eventually it all, in theory, adds up to an opinion. If you look at every comment I've made towards you this game, in entirety I think it's pretty clear I still believe you are probably town. So does DV at present, and I imagine rereading you will probably lead him to affirm that opinion. D3 and 4 have been giving me more doubts than I had before, sure, and the game just generally going to shit is making more dubious of everything in general.

Assuming you are right is not the same as looking at something objectively, and it's kind of silly of you to claim such when you are clearly tunneling.

I explained why I thought you were positioning but the tl;dr is that you are not correcting AP when he says "scum cc'd the miller" and continuing to explore the possibility while not exploring an equally likely possibility of there being a scum GF especially considering the last Cabd game (which especially seems at odds with your townread on me) and it comes across like you are positioning. Then you backtrack saying that wander aimlessly into arguments. I just... I give up trying to read you.

[Titan]

There wouldn't. But you hadn't claimed at the time.

it doesn't matter when we claimed. go back and look, i was basically the only other player supporting falcon's counterclaim based on this reasoning.

Um it does.

I can't believe you made that argument for why town on day one couldn't think there were more than one miller in a cabd game.

I'm just. Yeah.

[magenta_thegreat]

Still flying solo!

[Titan]

NACHO.

. Is that all you're going to do? Because that's making me blue.

[magenta_thegreat]

I dont think nacho is likely scum, because his posts doesnt really make a whole lot of sense coming from scum. I am paranoid, though but if I were to succumb to it, I would probably end up with some kinda funky scumteam like...

Nacho/titan/beli/sheep

or something

[AngryPidgeon]

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

We've already established that RBD is not actually a miller. This sort of justifies why you guys thought RBD was scum, but was presented in the context of why CF's push made sense and sense CF had no way of knowing this information at the time, is irrelevant.

Why did you post this?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im voting for scum and everyone else can too \o/

[Titan]

Also, Tammy when you get around to reading this game, please, please explain to me why the fuck you are ignoring scummy players like AP and Fox to tunnel on the most townish player in the game.

Also if you're referring to me ignoring what's been said the past several days I refer you back to my earlier post in which I state I'm not doing anything that requires thought until Saturday at the earliest. I'm barely skimming at the moment, and it's not Saturday yet.

[magenta_thegreat]

Sci, I have reached out to tammy! And I think ffery and maybe nacho?

I have spent the majority of this game curled up in a ball trying to get a handle on the best way to effectivly use our pr, alone. never mind having tried to get caught up with the game

[AngryPidgeon]

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

We've already established that RBD is not actually a miller. This sort of justifies why you guys thought RBD was scum, but was presented in the context of why CF's push made sense and sense CF had no way of knowing this information at the time, is irrelevant.

Why did you post this?

Actually is this a fucking scumslip??

Did JSU tell Cf that this was going to be his fakeclaim ahead of time? Maybe CF actually has a miller fakeclaim and was planning on using it in advance?

[Just Sheep Us]

Why did you post this?

7030 in which fox says "there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched" before later agreeing with me that now that i've claimed there likely wouldn't be two millers

[Just Sheep Us]

Did JSU tell Cf that this was going to be his fakeclaim ahead of time? Maybe CF actually has a miller fakeclaim and was planning on using it in advance?

or maybe

just maybe

falcon is actually a miller that directly interacts with our role

[Just Sheep Us]

also, ap: a miller fakeclaim? really?

[AngryPidgeon]

7030 in which fox says "there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched" before later agreeing with me that now

that i've claimed

RBD has flipped town there likely wouldn't be two millers

ftfy. Stop wielding your claim like its literally the answer to world hunger. Your claim does not make multiple millers more or less likely. Your claim does not make you town.

CF did not know your roleclaim (or did he??) before embarking on a masquerade to get RBD lynched over his claim so its comletely irrelevant. I dont care that you guys thought RBD was scum and thought RBD was fakeclaiming. If you truly believed all this at the time you would have encouraged CF to claim sooner and you would have been voting RBD instead of hemming/hawing and trying to PL them for claiming a GLADIATOR role

I mean, from a theory perspective, you may as well wait for me to 1v1 you. If our gladiator ability weren't a night action, I'd be using it today, but unfortunately it is, so tomorrow it will have to be.

Oh, you're a gladiator?

VOTE: RBD

[Just Sheep Us]

ftfy. Stop wielding your claim like its literally the answer to world hunger. Your claim does not make multiple millers more or less likely. Your claim does not make you town.

did you read what he fucking said?

In post 7049, Just Sheep Us wrote:
In post 7030, The Fox and the Hound wrote:
This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.


i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

There wouldn't. But you hadn't claimed at the time.

here i quoted it for you

[Just Sheep Us]

CF did not know your roleclaim (or did he??) before embarking on a masquerade to get RBD lynched over his claim so its comletely irrelevant. I dont care that you guys thought RBD was scum and thought RBD was fakeclaiming. If you truly believed all this at the time you would have encouraged CF to claim sooner and you would have been voting RBD instead of hemming/hawing and trying to PL them for claiming a GLADIATOR role

cf didn't know our role and he claimed in the neighborhood like, less than 24 hours? before claiming in the thread.

[Just Sheep Us]

7 hours