Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

ftfy. Stop wielding your claim like its literally the answer to world hunger. Your claim does not make multiple millers more or less likely. Your claim does not make you town.

did you read what he fucking said?

In post 7049, Just Sheep Us wrote:
In post 7030, The Fox and the Hound wrote:
This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.


i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

There wouldn't. But you hadn't claimed at the time.

here i quoted it for you

Yes, Fox is telling CARBONFIBER that CARBONFIBER's push on RBD for the miller claim MADE NO SENSE.

you defended CARBON FIBER by posting something that maybe (doesnt actually, but whatver) could justify thinking there are not 2 millers in a game. CARBONFIBER was not aware of this information AT THE TIME HE MADE THE PUSh. Youre acting like he WAS aware of it and that it JUSTIFIES his push on RBD and also claiming that he DIDNT know it at the time.

So no it doesnt actually make any sense for you to bring it up, its just a red herring and not even confirmed to be true.

Do you see how stupid this CF defense is? you are literally making up your own timeline of events to justify his behavior.

[Just Sheep Us]

ap you are just wrong. i am saying that we subtly supported falcon's push because his claim fit our role

[Just Sheep Us]

like you are so, so wrong

[Tammy]

Nacho - I think I'm going to call you town. This might only last ten minutes. It could last longer, but I need to feel the jazz. I just read you and borks iso before he left and there's a bunch I like, some of its a bit easy listening but there's some upbeat tempo in some parts that make me smile. I'd like to see more of that.

This was red.

Also if this was red, and if in that moment I was right, please help me stay red.

This fits and starts and promises thing you're doing isn't helping. I need something this game to help me make sense of stuff I can believe in who I understand and who understands me and won't jump my shit for being paranoid in the wrong way/not trusting people/not seeing the game the same way they are.

[Titan]

Nacho - I think I'm going to call you town. This might only last ten minutes. It could last longer, but I need to feel the jazz. I just read you and borks iso before he left and there's a bunch I like, some of its a bit easy listening but there's some upbeat tempo in some parts that make me smile. I'd like to see more of that.

This was red.

Also if this was red, and if in that moment I was right, please help me stay red.

This fits and starts and promises thing you're doing isn't helping. I need something this game to help me make sense of stuff I can believe in who I understand and who understands me and won't jump my shit for being paranoid in the wrong way/not trusting people/not seeing the game the same way they are.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

Please be town, please help.

S O S

[AngryPidgeon]

You seem to be dischronolexic. Lets go over what happened slowly.

The playerslot I was pushing were fake-claiming my role.

This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

Foxhound (TO CARBON FIBER): Your push on RBD made no sense; why couldn't there be 2 miller?

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

no one knew anything about our role until we claimed in thread

JSU (TO FOXHOUND, IN DEFENSE OF CF): UH how the fuck can there be multiple millers. Im a cop and AP is a cop, therefore there cant have been multiple miller.

This sort of justifies why you guys thought RBD was scum, but was presented in the context of why CF's push made sense and sense CF had no way of knowing this information at the time, is irrelevant.

AP (to JSU): Wiat that doesnt make any sense. IF CF didn't know about your role, why are you bringing your role up as a logical reason for CF thinking there couldnt be multiple millers? He didnt KNOW it at the time.

cf didn't know our role and he claimed in the neighborhood like, less than 24 hours? before claiming in the thread.

JSU: No he didnt know our role.

SO. Why the flying fuck did you intervene in Foxhound telling CF that his push on RBD made no sense to JUSTIFY CF's push with INFORMATION THAT CF DID NOT HAVE.

WHAT? WHAT? WHAT! WHAT?

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho - I think I'm going to call you town. This might only last ten minutes. It could last longer, but I need to feel the jazz. I just read you and borks iso before he left and there's a bunch I like, some of its a bit easy listening but there's some upbeat tempo in some parts that make me smile. I'd like to see more of that.

This was red.

Also if this was red, and if in that moment I was right, please help me stay red.

This fits and starts and promises thing you're doing isn't helping. I need something this game to help me make sense of stuff I can believe in who I understand and who understands me and won't jump my shit for being paranoid in the wrong way/not trusting people/not seeing the game the same way they are.

Are you talking about me?

[Just Sheep Us]

i was never defending carbon fiber and everything you said you were saying to me is irrelevant because i wasn't bringing up my role as a reason for falcon thinking anything. i was bringing up my role to remind fox, who said "there STILL IS NO REASON there couldn't be multiple millers" that my role speaks against that.

[Just Sheep Us]

Are you talking about me?

maybe with that last one about not seeing the game the same way, but the rest of that comment was likely directed towards us

[The Fox and the Hound]

@JSU: what I'm saying is that when CF pushed to lynch RBD based on him being a miller, there was no reason for anyone other than you to think two millers was stupid.

Obviously there is NOW reason to think there weren't two millers, because we can see that our investigative role(s) are not very strong and RBD has flipped not miller. By "still" I pretty clearly meant "I continue to feel that at the time this line of thinking was kind of sily".

[Just Sheep Us]

Why did you post this?

7030 in which fox says "there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched" before later agreeing with me that now that i've claimed there likely wouldn't be two millers

ap you asked me why i posted that and this is what i said, so why are you inventing a bunch of shit about me justifying carbonfiber's push with information he couldn't have?

[Just Sheep Us]

@JSU: what I'm saying is that when CF pushed to lynch RBD based on him being a miller, there was no reason for anyone other than you to think two millers was stupid.

Obviously there is NOW reason to think there weren't two millers, because we can see that our investigative role(s) are not very strong and RBD has flipped not miller. By "still" I pretty clearly meant "I continue to feel that at the time this line of thinking was kind of sily".

that was kind of what i was getting at with "i was the only one supporting falcon's cc"

[The Fox and the Hound]

ap you are just wrong. i am saying that we subtly supported falcon's push because his claim fit our role

That's great but is also missing the point

i was never defending carbon fiber and everything you said you were saying to me is irrelevant because i wasn't bringing up my role as a reason for falcon thinking anything. i was bringing up my role to remind fox, who said "there STILL IS NO REASON there couldn't be multiple millers" that my role speaks against that.

Yes, obvouly it is now the case that there are not two millers, why would I say that? The other claimed miller is dead...

I'm gonna go play league now instead of this

[AngryPidgeon]

i was never defending carbon fiber

Then what the hell is this?

This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

You quoted DV telling CF that his push made no sense and then talk about why it DOES make sense with information that Cf DID NOT HAVE.

If this wasnt a CF-defense, then Im back to my original question. Why did you post this????

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, obvouly it is now the case that there are not two millers, why would I say that? The other claimed miller is dead...

I'm gonna go play league now instead of this

Ya Fox is town. JSU is just obfuscating the CF pressure by defending against it with a red herring and then muddying the waters about their intent.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wait, are you seriously telling me that you felt the need to respond to Fox saying "there is still no reason..." ?

OBVIOUSLY there arent 2 millers in the game since there is only ONE miller claim and no flipped millers.

No one is arguing that there are still 2 millers, wtf.

[Just Sheep Us]

Wait, are you seriously telling me that you felt the need to respond to Fox saying "there is still no reason..." ?

yes, and also as a response to your "literally everyone was telling falcon how stupid he was for thinking he was ccing miller" when we were right there with him at the time.

[CarbonFiber]

Are you talking about me?

maybe with that last one about not seeing the game the same way, but the rest of that comment was likely directed towards us

Yeah, I am not sure I follow the whole jumping shit for being paranoid/not seeing the game similarly.

[Just Sheep Us]

AT THE TIME, falcon's logic was sound and we knew that because our role says so

do you get it now?

[PeregrineV]

I want to talk to F-16 more here before the day ends, but here's what I see.

Katsuki is on one side and AP-JSU are the other. We either have one scum and two town nailed here, or one town and two scum. If we lynch Katsuki, if he flips scum it's a 0:1 town:scum effect. If town, we get a 1:2 effect of known town:scum. Either way we get one more scum than town flip.

If we lynch one of {AP, JSU} in the event they're town we get a 1:1 town:scum result; if they're scum we get a 0:2 effect.

I personally like the guarantee of netting one more scum than town at this point. My best town read in the group is JSU. And the risk of losing one of a tracker and investigative role versus a delayer is pretty clear.

@Penguin

-How is your push for AP-scum going?

[AngryPidgeon]

Falcon's logic was sound?

Didn't someone on D1 say that Falcon claimed miller in the neighborhood almost right away? Now its coming out that he only claimed miller a couple hours before the CC went down way late in the Day?
No one is talking about you. No one is talking about your push on RBD (ok maybe I am now).

How does YOUR ROLE make FALCON'S LOGIC more valid. I dont care if he was right about RBD not actually being a miller. The push still looks bad and you are still trying to justify FALKCON'S PUSH with YOUR ROLE which he DID NOT KNOW.

[PeregrineV]

Yes, obvouly it is now the case that there are not two millers, why would I say that? The other claimed miller is dead...

I'm gonna go play league now instead of this

Ya Fox is town. JSU is just obfuscating the CF pressure by defending against it with a red herring and then muddying the waters about their intent.

It really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really bug you that Just Sheep & Carbon won't let go of their town reads on each other, no matter how much you post, doesn't it?

Why?

[AngryPidgeon]

I think they are scum together. Which can be divined from 7089 without too much extrapolation.

[CarbonFiber]

Thank god, someone that actually makes sense posted. You should have killed AP N2. Anyways, PV, give me a quick update on where your reads are at.

[PeregrineV]

I think they are scum together. Which can be divined from 7089 without too much extrapolation.

Then the other 2 are?