Tales of You (Endgame)

[Nachomamma8]

Scum are 4 out of these 6 players {AP, Nacho, Penguin, Magenta, FoxHound, RedGyarados}

Whichever of you are town, make it obvious please

See, the problem is I think it's obvious already.

lol Gyarados

Fox (if they are town and I think they could be) have annoyingly been scumreading everyone that suspects them which makes it a nightmare to get a proper read.

So I think this is a pretty poor excuse to not get a read on us (especially considering 6860). It's also actually pretty unfair considering that Stalin suspects me and while I think I quite reasonably (you haven't given any good argument otherwise) pressured them on that earlier, my last reads list had them as town. And the third thing is that you've actually been behaving similarly this game. The times that you've come closer to scumreading us have been the times that I've been less sure of my read on you and pressured you accordingly. I don't actually think it has occurred anywhere else. The same thing happened with Tammy earlier, and you are similarly more responsive to those townreading you (e.g. JSU) than those not. So I don't think this quote actually applies to us any more than it applies to you, and so I wonder why you'd make a point of complaining about it if it's actually similar to your own play (and I'd actually wonder in any case because I don't think it makes any sense.)

Titan, I think JSU is town. I'll explain it in full when I get time. This weekend at the very latest. Tonight if I'm feeling keen after my CF ISO/possibly other things.

I'm not going to respond to any posts in response to this one until I finish doing my CF ISO thing, so feel free to respond, but it may take me a while to get there.

Oh wow all the PEdit.

Ok, maybe I will post some more.

Nacho. You're here. Stop avoiding me. If you're town show me. Please.

I'm here. I'm still town.
What happened to you reading through every player and giving in depth reads on them? It still feels like you're floating through the game without the usual DV fire: I appreciate the piece of honesty with mask talk, but I'm still not seeing the DV that I've been looking for.

I also don't think telling me to be town does anything of note or has done anything of note for anyone: as scum, I'll drop a fake town tell every couple of posts but I really don't town on command for anyone except for Tammy and even then I make her wait for it and make the impressive big and dramatic

[Nachomamma8]

I understand the sentiment, though. I honestly can't say what I want out of your slot in order for it to be more town. I might just have to read you closer, and I might have had an easier time agreeing with you in other games because you were my rock early, or you might just be scum!

[Nachomamma8]

Tammy, do you realize why I am so frustrated with this game?

Because I'm not blindly believing desbro is town when they refuse to act like it?

This sort of bullshit is why I'm pseudo-retiring from mafia.

I don't "refuse to act like town." We have a town role pm. We've been town all fucking game.

Your model being broken and you refusing to acknowledge it is the problem here.

It was the problem in Wicked.

It's been the problem every time I've gotten mislynched, which happens way too fucking often given the caliber of player I am (or rather, other's perception of the caliber of player I am)

Saying you have a horrible read and that you're too good of a player to hold it isn't a broken model and refusing to fix it. Every time I'm reminded you hold this read separately, I wonder what got crossed in your wiring because Tammy is seriously the easiest person on this site to read as town when town and you're not a Thor-esque player that would miss something so obvious in thread such as that.

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy is seriously the easiest person on this site to read as town when town

;-;

[Nachomamma8]

On a general note, staying engaged, posting, creating an ISO that's 4 pages long and engaged for the entire journey is a pretty difficult task for scum to accomplish, especially when you're not comfortable as scum. There are a number of tactics that F-16 has used this game that I additionally don't think he'd be comfortable using as scum but make sense with his current view of the gamestate:

-Attempting to strong arm ffery and I as confirmed scum.
-Creating a read progression on me as in depth and through as the one on me is.
-Faking an emotional breakdown.
-Attacking Tammy for not town reading him.
-Telling us to lynch him the day before LyLo.
-Throwing dead players at everyone.

All of these are moves that need to come from a cheeky scumfuck: getting to the point of cheeky scumfuck is something that takes a lot of time and involves a lot of growth.

[Red Gyarados]

Nacho how long a read do you think the thread is

[Nachomamma8]

A really long read.

[Red Gyarados]

You know what sucks nacho

I really do want to trust you

But I'm too worried about being manipulated

[Nachomamma8]

AP, I don't think that arrogance, being sure that the miller claim was a false point. It makes sense you might be informed of a watcher because watchers are very strong and can fuck over unsuspecting scum pretty easily, but a miller? Not really a threat to scum, doesn't really give any specific benefit to scum.

Timing... I can think about timing because I agree that it's weird, but I think it's weird as town or scum. I find Falcon doing crazy things as scum is very... Impulsive? And this kind of move would fly in the face of that. I don't think that posting in the neighborhood before hand offers him a significant advantage if any as scum, so that doesn't help much. And waiting to counterclaim as scum? Only reason I could see that is because he didn't think if it until late, but that seems like extraordinarily weak reasoning to me.

[Red Gyarados]

but I'll see if I can read the thread tomorrow

Might do it in sets of 50

[AngryPidgeon]

But I'm too worried about being manipulated

NS why are you voting Tammy?

[Titan]

GOOD QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

Also i was gonna catch up but i'm not thinking and I LOVE VODKA. I'm going to go play some video games cuz wooooooooo

Falcon - No, I said that because I figured the only reason you asked me to hydra in the first place because you were scum trying to manipulate me into being favorably disposed to you.

Oh but i did find it super amusing that PV is like "so, yo, not gonna take anyone's words for it tammy's town so if someone could hit me up with some hard evidence for the town read there, that'd be dope." Other people, "Heyo PV can you explain your town read on CF man?" PV "sure thing bud, it's in his first 250 posts."

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UNVOTE:

laterz

[CarbonFiber]

@ Tammy, I know he seems waay too certain in his read on me which is why I tried to gauge his reaction and my blatant sucking up to him didn't ruffle him in the slightest makes me really paranoid of a scum vig.

[Titan]

if you're town can we stop fighting?

also I did briefly skim, but VODKA and dancing happened tonight, and I haven't slept all week so thinking is not possible and I'm going to go play video games. Maybe I'll be back in a bit or maybe I'll pass out.

WHO KNOWS!

[penguin_alien]

OK. Basically caught up (sorry, lots of IRL stuff to resolve), and we have a goddamn scum lynch for today.

VOTE: CarbonFiber

a) There is absolutely no way in hell town-F-16 was reaction testing obvtown-Titan for that long.

b) I completely believe that he's scum who wants town-Tammy dead via lynch today and no later.

I'd lynch magenta or JSU, but I think CF's the scum flip that's going to break the game open for us. And really, JSU would be for information to confirm AP and BWS.

Tammy, I'm assuming when it's not 2 AM your time and you have a minute we can chat, but for the love of absolutely everything that is holy, stop trying to get yourself lynched, FFS.

Also thinking this is town-Nacho. I want to think I'm seeing PV-town here in the way he's presenting his thoughts, but I'm not sold yet. And even though info from a JSU flip is a thing, I really still want to town read them, so I have zero problem lynching a supposed miller who spent absolutely ages trying to lynch Tammy while cheerleading other town mislynches and not voting them. There's a difference between being slow to vote and goading other people into voting in your stead.

So town reads on Nacho, BWS, AP, JSU, Tammy --> scum = CF, magenta, RG...PV/F&H? Not sure about the fourth slot, but I'd lynch any of the first three happily.

...and posting this, incoherent as it is, because I'm zonked and just glad to be done dealing with V/LA stuff.

P-edit: Tammy...talk to me when you're not toasted.

[CarbonFiber]

if you're town can we stop fighting?

also I did briefly skim, but VODKA and dancing happened tonight, and I haven't slept all week so thinking is not possible and I'm going to go play video games. Maybe I'll be back in a bit or maybe I'll pass out.

WHO KNOWS!

Yes, definitely. So, I told Nacho in the neighborhood earlier why I'm getting so frustrated with this game and he told me that I ought to give time and space to other players and not be as pushy which I was doing for nearly this entire game.

[CarbonFiber]

OK. Basically caught up (sorry, lots of IRL stuff to resolve), and we have a goddamn scum lynch for today.

VOTE: CarbonFiber

a) There is absolutely no way in hell town-F-16 was reaction testing obvtown-Titan for that long.

b) I completely believe that he's scum who wants town-Tammy dead via lynch today and no later.

I'd lynch magenta or JSU, but I think CF's the scum flip that's going to break the game open for us. And really, JSU would be for information to confirm AP and BWS.

Tammy, I'm assuming when it's not 2 AM your time and you have a minute we can chat, but for the love of absolutely everything that is holy, stop trying to get yourself lynched, FFS.

Also thinking this is town-Nacho. I want to think I'm seeing PV-town here in the way he's presenting his thoughts, but I'm not sold yet. And even though info from a JSU flip is a thing, I really still want to town read them, so I have zero problem lynching a supposed miller who spent absolutely ages trying to lynch Tammy while cheerleading other town mislynches and not voting them. There's a difference between being slow to vote and goading other people into voting in your stead.

So town reads on Nacho, BWS, AP, JSU, Tammy --> scum = CF, magenta, RG...PV/F&H? Not sure about the fourth slot, but I'd lynch any of the first three happily.

...and posting this, incoherent as it is, because I'm zonked and just glad to be done dealing with V/LA stuff.

P-edit: Tammy...talk to me when you're not toasted.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, thanks for scumclaiming so blatantly, Penguin because I was really unsure about who the scum were.

a) I was reaction testing PV, not Titan and possibly AP, Fox, and RG as well as I made it incredibly obvious in my later posts.

b) LOLOLOLOLOL. You are actually kidding, right? If I was scum wanting town-Tammy dead, I'd approach it so, so differently and try to fly under the radar, not make a spectacle of myself hoping I'd garner reactions from all the active players.

Also,

1) Why in the hell would you lynch JSU when you spent so much time saying that BRO was town and apparently convinced Tammy in the neighborhood to back off?

2) Please explain your townread on Nacho.

[CarbonFiber]

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

Bring it, bring it, bring it. You KNOW that I know you are scum. No backing off now.

[CarbonFiber]

Ceph's BS, I can write off as playstyle issues because of NY169 but yours are just blatantly scum.

[CarbonFiber]

Penguin, here are my guesses for who your buddies are: AngryPidgeon, The Fox and The Hound, Nacho8, Magenta. (three of those four obviously).

[CarbonFiber]

WHERE'D YOU GO PENGUIN?

[penguin_alien]

Well gee, after you so accurately nailed me to the wall I just set myself on an ice floe and consigned myself to a tragic death.

Or waiting for you to get a better fake freak-out posted.

Or flirting with the mod on Skype to see if I can get a day vig shot and save us all a lot of trouble.

Pick one.

[CarbonFiber]

Scum QT Posts:

Penguin

: I'm going to make a post voting F-16 but he might catch me.

Penguin

: Well, we're screwed.

Nacho

: Don't worry about it, no fear.

AP

: You are doing great Penguin, keep pushing him on it and we can get a mislynch. Then we push Fox or Magenta tomorrow for the win.

Penguin

: Should I lay off of F-16 and push an easier lynch.

Nacho

: Right now, F-16 is having the worst game of his life. He pushed the hell out of two mislynches/misvigs. He has the scumteam nailed now but won't be able to do anything about it because he lost so much towncred after D1 and D2. Make your push and make it hard and strong. 1v1 him and you will win. Remember, NO FEAR!

[CarbonFiber]

Well gee, after you so accurately nailed me to the wall I just set myself on an ice floe and consigned myself to a tragic death.

Or waiting for you to get a better fake freak-out posted.

Or flirting with the mod on Skype to see if I can get a day vig shot and save us all a lot of trouble.

Pick one.

I pick Option D. Telling your buddies that you feel scared about pushing me but them reassuring you that this is a battle that you can win.

[penguin_alien]

I have no scum QT. Wait! Better idea: ramp up flirting skills, become fifth scum team member, and jump ship from this dumbass town that won't lynch you.