Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[Titus]

Yeah. I think I could be down with a Dr Pants vote.

VOTE: Dpants

Why the hammer?

Why vote Dpants?

[Antihero]

Antihero, you seem to like votes on bubba, ssk and BE. That seems like lynch the other low posters not me.

i'm a low poster?

also, since my BE scumread hinged on greyice, i've since dropped my BE scumread

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

bubbajack8 (1): ika
Dr Pants (3): Snork, Burning_Earth, MafiaSSK
HighShroomish (1): Antihero
ika (2): Titus, HighShroomish
Snork (1): Dr Pants
Not voting (3): bubbajack8, goodmorning, Kitoari

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch a player.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-05-30 18:25:24).

Titus's vote has been fixed.

[Antihero]

Antihero, you seem to like votes on bubba, ssk and BE. That seems like lynch the other low posters not me.

i'm a low poster?

also, since my BE scumread hinged on greyice, i've since dropped my BE scumread

also, i don't like votes on SSK.

seriously, that's the second time you've misrepresented me now

[Antihero]

Antihero, you seem to like votes on bubba, ssk and BE. That seems like lynch the other low posters not me.

i'm a low poster?

also, since my BE scumread hinged on greyice, i've since dropped my BE scumread

also, i don't like votes on SSK.

seriously, that's the second time you've misrepresented me now

also, BE's not anywhere close to a low poster...

wow, the fucking onion of misrep is showing more and more of its layers the more i look at this post

titus is scum too

[Dr Pants]

The other questions were addressed to others so I'll assume this is the only one you have for me.

128 is a response to 125. Interactions between me and Reinoe? Its him telling everybody about how I'm apparently so great at scum. He literally

says he would be jealous of you if you were my scum buddy.

The hell is that about? I wanted to bait more content out of him before I shared this, but everything's out now. Trust me in 123 as well.

But how does that make him Scum???
Him being jealous of your scumbuddy would more imply youScum than himScum.

Try to see this from my point of view. Someone you have played in a game with opens this particular game by playing up your scum game. Reinoe answered RVS questions at the beginning by saying that I would be the most dangerous as scum. Soon after, he makes that particular post where he says he would be jealous of someone for being my partner. Now, obviously my thoughts were wrong on this, but to me it looked like he was trying to play me up as some really good scum player. It made me really nervous about him, this combined with the other things I have already mentioned made me real paranoid that he was scum and was gunning for me.

[Dr Pants]

To me, ika's play Day 1 is the most scummy independent of a flip. He still has yet to explain this plan he has but expects me to go along with it. His pushing for a hsmmer is off.

The SSK hammer suggests that SSK values ika so much mire than R that he cannot bare the thought of R getting away snd ika being wagoned.

That is why I want ika to communicate his plan. His whole defense to scummy behaviot is trust me.

Hmmm. The logic behind this is fairly sound, but it does rely on SSK being scum. If he isnt and hammed for other reasons then there really isn't anything on ika, is there?

[MafiaSSK]

Yeah. I think I could be down with a Dr Pants vote.

VOTE: Dpants

Why the hammer?

Why vote Dpants?

It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. The arguments around reinoe being scum were very convincing. So I hammered him.

Dpants is mostly gut though.

[Titus]

To me, ika's play Day 1 is the most scummy independent of a flip. He still has yet to explain this plan he has but expects me to go along with it. His pushing for a hsmmer is off.

The SSK hammer suggests that SSK values ika so much mire than R that he cannot bare the thought of R getting away snd ika being wagoned.

That is why I want ika to communicate his plan. His whole defense to scummy behaviot is trust me.

Hmmm. The logic behind this is fairly sound, but it does rely on SSK being scum. If he isnt and hammed for other reasons then there really isn't anything on ika, is there?

It doesn't require SSK being scum, but is highly suggestive of it. Either SSK thought that the arguments against R were so compelling that no counterwagon better dare form, SSK made a rash decision that R was more valuable and cut off people getting feet wet or SSK is scum with ika. I find the latter the most likely. Given the fact SSK is having little to no interaction with ika, it leads me to believe that 1 and 3 are most likely. Out of those, 3 is the most likely.

Anti-hero, can you just knock off the blanket assertions and provide content? Neither you nor BE has provided much of anything and BE is ignoring what superficial questions I ask of him.

[ika]

titus did you look into the game i posted? where SSK did it twices as town?

its not alignment telling. Also when will you figure that im town? Ive been pretty transparent so far

[Titus]

My last post just said that SSK could be town. I just find scum SSK more likely. :facepalm

ika, not telling me your plan is the opposite of transparent.

[Antihero]

Anti-hero, can you just knock off the blanket assertions and provide content? Neither you nor BE has provided much of anything and BE is ignoring what superficial questions I ask of him.

not a blanket assertion.

specific

assertion.

you

are misrepresenting me. period.

i

never

thought pants was scummy (day 1) and i

never

said SSK was scummy (day 2). but that's ok with you, just as long as you can twist the truth to suit your purposes.

[Titus]

Where did the pants comment come from? Pants isn't a low poster in any stretch. You said #333 that you said "bubba is a fine vote, I'll accept those too." You raised no objections to any of the other wagons at the time. It can be inferred that you liked all the other wagons/suspects currently being discussed.

Pants was a wagon, no objection so it can be inferred from #333 that you like it. On day 2, again, SSK being discussed no objection at all. Context says that you were "accepting" these wagons in 333. If that's not what you intended, you should be more clear with your words. However, I think you were just trying to have things both ways.

[Antihero]

You raised no objections to any of the other wagons at the time. It can be inferred that you liked all the other wagons/suspects currently being discussed.

"if you don't mention them, you silently consent to them?"

what kind of moonbeam methamphetamines are you on?

[ika]

My last post just said that SSK could be town. I just find scum SSK more likely. :facepalm

ika, not telling me your plan is the opposite of transparent.

-.- to the SSK part

as for my plan, dont worry about that. My plan involves me dying or living. If i tell you the plan then it can no longer work. Sometimes all you need is some trust titus if every game involved me outing my plans, they would be easily countered. Some of the best laied plans are best untold

@anti, are you saying titus is doing moonlogic?

[Antihero]

alright, just to be clear

i do NOT approve of a Snork wagon
i do NOT approve of an ika wagon
i do NOT approve of an SSK wagon
i do NOT approve of a Snork wagon

i also don't believe in ghosts
i also don't believe 9/11 was an inside job
i also don't believe obama was born in kenya

...since, apparently, if i don't say these things, people randomly fill in opinions on them

[Antihero]

However, I think you were just trying to have things both ways.

trying to have

what

both ways? what are you talking about?

[Titus]

Antihero, there's nothing in the context that says you were believing in any of that political stuff. Rather, the specific language of #333 indicated you approved of those wagons. #333 doesn't have any relation to that other stuff.

Oh and I assure you, I'm 100% sober. I tend to make more sense when drunk though so take that.

Anti, you implicitly endorse a wagon and then can later claim, "Well, I never said I was explicitly FOR that wagon! Quit misrepping me yo!"

ika, if I knew you were town, I'd give you the leeway. Step outside of yourself for a moment. A player has just hurriedly encouraged you to hammer town saying "he has a plan". You and that player can communicate, through the many games you played together, without having many of the other players, if any, intercept. That player refuses to tell you his plan. That player has been proceeding with the assumption you are town. I get you are wanting me to trust you, but I need SOMETHING to be worthy of that trust. I'm seeing nothing here. I need something that says you aren't a gigantic scumfuck and your plan is to lynch townies.

[Antihero]

Rather, the specific language of #333 indicated you approved of those wagons.

bubbajack is also a fine vote. i'll accept those too.

that's the post. in it's entirety. the only wagons i approve of is bubbajack and shroom. that's exactly what i said. and that's exactly what i meant. i don't approve of any wagons that aren't those two. that's it. period.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS AMBIGUITY YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE?

[Antihero]

...there weren't even any SSK votes at the time, so i don't even know how i could endorse an SSK wagon that

didn't even fucking exist.

am i in an alternate reality?

[Titus]

Plenty of people were talking about an SSK wagon. Interpreting 333 as an implicit endorsement of an SSK wagon is reasonable. I don't get why you're hot headed. You corrected, I have my opinion of what you were doing. You have yours. You've clarified your current position. I think you are just trying to start drama to be dramatic.

[Dr Pants]

Ika, I'm interested in this plan as well. If you're waiting to get information then that's fine, but when do you plan on telling us what this plan is? Should we expect an answer today? If so when? If its important, like a PR play or something, it would be nice if we had it more than a few days before a lynch is due.

[Dr Pants]

also why am I the only one who suspects Snork, who still hasn't told me why I'm scum.

[Titus]

Dr. Pants, ika tends to have plans that engage over multiple days as either alignment. Also, with ika, if you townread him, you should give him a fair amount of space as his gambits tend to be effective. However, if you are scum reading him (as I am) then the rope needs to be very short where its best to do your own calculations to see if his plan is good or not

I don't see why there's a reason to suspect Snork, but merely you thought R should have in no way been townread. There were quite a few red flags in behavior suggesting that R was town, and I had not even done my readthrough (the quickhammer for instance), so a player townreading R isn't so shocking even if another player doesn't share the read. I would like to see this play out if Snork just has a habit of whiteknighting throughout the game but I don't see myself voting there at the time being. If you've played with him and know he whiteknights as scum, this would also be helpful.

[StrangerCoug]

Bumping over the count and checking for prods after I post it. I think it's getting around time now.