Tales of You (Endgame)

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho, you still feel like scum. Why are you tying yourself to me?

[magenta_thegreat]

I've not loudly defended Tammy, nacho. what are you talking about?

[magenta_thegreat]

I've not loudly defended Tammy, nacho. what are you talking about?

[magenta_thegreat]

Also, people that are townreading Nacho are doing it wrong.

You don't see the passion behind Nacho's push on Mastin?

Do you have a link to a game where scumcho isn't more robotic than that?

Nacho seemed pretty passionate in defending F16 in that large game

[magenta_thegreat]

Pedophilic roleblock/stop. we couldn't have done anything to you, even if we wanted to, pigey (and Orci did try N1 so...)

[magenta_thegreat]

Nacho/titan/beli/sheep

I did say this would be paranoiateam

I probably seem like a cold corpse, because I feel like a cold corpse though and I've questioned you more than I have wk'ed you and you know if I had meant to WK anyone, I probably would have put more effort into it

[magenta_thegreat]

Votecount 1-31

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV

(2):

AngryPidgeon

,

Mac
MastinSSK

(1):

CupcakePanda

Just Sheep Us

(5): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados,

Breakfast With Stalin

,

Rancid Broderick Drake, MastinSSK

, Kagura

AngryPidgeon

(1):

Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake

(6):

CarbonFiber

,

Just Sheep Us

,

PeregrineV

, The Fox and the Hound,

Yggdra Union

, Clyton
Not Voting (1): Titan

Blue is probably town claims (Vig+Miller)
Purple is confirmed to me/desp via our role

I assumed this meant they have a clear on Stalin with their role, as well

bro/desp, confirm this?

when did you track beli/ffery?

[The Fox and the Hound]

I think we're being set up to be tomorrow's mislynch if not today's but everyone is apparently deus ex scumreading us so I don't know who to blame. Probably Nacho.

I can't actually believe that Falcon is OMGUSing what looks to me to be a really reasonable set of thoughts.

That's pretty much all I've got right now. I'm going to be relatively busy for a few days.
-Ceph

[Just Sheep Us]

Tammy, AP, F-16, Beli:

Do we have overlap anywhere in {penguin, magenta, foxhound, RG}? There should be someone in that group that all 5 of us have overlap on, and that's who we need to lynch today.

[Just Sheep Us]

Fuck this game, being forced to do mediation.

[Just Sheep Us]

Votecount 1-31

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV

(2):

AngryPidgeon

,

Mac
MastinSSK

(1):

CupcakePanda

Just Sheep Us

(5): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados,

Breakfast With Stalin

,

Rancid Broderick Drake, MastinSSK

, Kagura

AngryPidgeon

(1):

Lord Business
Rancid Broderick Drake

(6):

CarbonFiber

,

Just Sheep Us

,

PeregrineV

, The Fox and the Hound,

Yggdra Union

, Clyton
Not Voting (1): Titan

Blue is probably town claims (Vig+Miller)
Purple is confirmed to me/desp via our role

I assumed this meant they have a clear on Stalin with their role, as well

bro/desp, confirm this?

when did you track beli/ffery?

Investigative chains are hard, let's go shopping.

[magenta_thegreat]

who did you target N1 and 3?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Tammy, AP, F-16, Beli:

Do we have overlap anywhere in {penguin, magenta, foxhound, RG}? There should be someone in that group that all 5 of us have overlap on, and that's who we need to lynch today.

Yes. On RG and Fox/Hound, the former more than the latter.

Ffery trusted p_a and I'm sheeping that read for now due to how sure she sounded to me.

I still am bet-the-farm sure about townOrci.

[CarbonFiber]

@ Beli, let's roll with The Fox and The Hound.

Also, you should trust my read on PA. I am even more surer than Ffery.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I'm provisionally OK with that right now, but I want to hear AP and Tammy's responses to BRO's query first, and see how Orci's current interaction with JSU pans out.

[Ms Kazekirimara]

I'm not orci!

[magenta_thegreat]

I'm not orci!

booooooo

[Just Sheep Us]

who did you target N1 and 3?

even night

we're even night

we are even night only

[Breakfast With Sandy]

What's the difference between a blonde and a 747?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im just sort of fading out again.

@BRO: Anyone in that list other than Penguin is fine with me I guess. I lean town on Fox and RG a little but Im probably wrong about one of them.

VOTE: magenta

[The Fox and the Hound]

Get your magnificent feathery body back on CF.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

@AP : what about F/H, RG, and F-16?

[The Fox and the Hound]

Timing: Waiting the entire day to counterclaim Rancid miller claim is more strange for Carbon-scum than it is for Carbon-town. If I remember the game state correctly, momentum had begun to swing towards Rancid lynch already, thus adding actual reasons for Carbon to get heat after the Rancid flip when there was no way in hell he would be dinged for it if he was simply wrong seems like an extraordinarily strange move: it does explain why he was pushing Rancid so hard earlier, but that's minimal benefit considering that's a stupid reason to find him scum and that's something he wasn't really getting heat for earlier in the game.

Do you actually believe that the miller claim is as big of a towntell as people are saying it is? I agree that the waiting is odd, but not the point where I consider it a strong towntell. If Carbon Fiber is scum with miller as part of his fakeclaim (which could so easily be the case), then I don't find any of it that odd at all. My reaction when I heard that there were two miller claims was 'Oh, that's probably irrelevant in this set-up', and I honestly think that reaction would be expected considering all the lolcabdgame quotes that have been thrown around. The counterclaimer always always always looks more town than the one counterclaimed (unless it's LYLO or something) and so the risk from claiming miller is really really low (even lower if it's been given to them as a fakeclaim!) because after a Rancid town-flip, scum know that the town thought process will be, 'Why would scum-CF counterclaim RBD when he was under significant pressure anyway and sacrifice himself in the process? He's town.' The problem here though is that he wasn't sacrificing himself whatsoever.

IDK I want to ask him to dance because he seems like he'll say yes!

I'm a terrible dancer though!

Dear scum team,

AP is the only townie who's being absurd enough to think that the miller claim is fake. Even if all 4 of you pile onto the wagon, you're only getting to 5/6. You have to either go for me/Desp+one of the 2 townies in the uncleared group, or both townies in the uncleared group

Best,
BROseidon

Dear BROseidon,

On behalf of the scumteam I would like to announce that, since you are town and we are scum, we are aware that any advice you pretend to give us will be lies and deceit intended to lead us astray! Your toxic generosity is not welcome here!

Yours with the greatest sincerity,
DV

~~~

Ok, now this is where I'm going to try my best to show why you all should be voting for CarbonFiber (I'll probably even include a section for his scumbuddies because I wouldn't want to dsicriminate by pandering solely to the town niche market!).

I may be overly pessimistic, but I do predict a noose tightening around our necks. Avoiding that would be nice, but I assure you all that I will not be going out without a bang. Yes scum, it be the time for trembling! And also voting for CarbonFiber as I'll be getting to now!

Part 1: 'If they flip town, lynch/vig us'

So, as the title suggests, this pretty clearly refers to 2355. And, the more I think about it, the more I doubt that this post is possible from CF-town at that time.

Let's do some funky voodoo magic and pretend that CF is town and that we're CF here. We are a miller and we've been waiting a long time to see if RBD was trolling about the miller component of their role. We've decided they probably aren't trolling and we're excited because we're a miller and we don't think there are two millers in the game! Multiple people don't seem to agree that 2 millers is a definite no-no or even that big a deal at all. How do we respond to these concerns?

Well if they flip town, you can lynch/vig us?

I'm pretty sure CF doesn't think 100% that RBD are scum, especially after others point to 2 millers not being very significant, so I think this post isn't something that CF-town would make here, because it would obviously be pretty stupid in CF-town's mind for him to be lynched/vigged if RBD flipped town.

I think it makes a lot of sense as scum though. What better way to show off how convicted and passionate and towntowntown you are by offering to be lynched/vigged if you're wrong.

Oh CF, you're our hero and we won't lynch/vig you!

cry the townies following RBD's town flip. This scenario may even have been going through CF's mind as he was making the post!

~~

Part 2: Does he even care?

Now as much as CF will tell you that any point I make relating to this supports CF/AP as scum together with AP being the obvious lynch, and that only, I can tell you that there's more!!! *dramatic music*

-As I mentioned, CF at the beginning of day 3 (before the JSU clear) did not give me the impression of actually caring about getting AP lynched. This is weak on its own, but is made stronger when considered with the below.
-He doesn't really try to stop the Cupcake lynch from happening, despite considering Cupcake a strong townread (5712) and claiming earlier in the game to be the type of player that stubbornly derails lynches on townreads (1063). He does say that it was going to be a cupcake lynch anyway, but I don't really buy this as the reason. If he's town then he's obviously invested in the game and I don't feel he would give up so easily here. There's also the potential excuse of it helping sort things out with AP, but it actually doesn't at all (it wasn't really considered to be a 1v1 by anyone but Cupcake and AP), and there's no use of the Cupcake townflip to make an AP lynch easier to achieve Day 4. It would have made a lot more sense here for CF-town to push his other actual scumreads, but scum-CF obviously doesn't because yum cupcake.
-He says that the best strat is to ease up Day 4 (6849, but after the cupcake lynch, which was decided before he could do anything about it, it seems illogical for him to be sitting back).

Now, why does him not caring matter? Because he is giving everyone the impression that he's really into the game and really invested, so if there are points in the game where it really looks like he doesn't care even though he's saying he really really does, then he's probably scum.

Part 3: The Reaction Test

I've said basically the same thing twice already and I'm not going to say it again, but voting for Tammy was scummy, as there was no basis behind it. His justification of the reaction test again, doesn't make sense.

Part 4: Fox/Hound- Obvscum, Confirmed scum, or just scum?

Now I've harped on a lot about how I think CF's scumread on us is suspicious, but I'm totally serious. For some reason, scum love to get my lynched. I may as well be flashing a hot pink neon sign saying:

Is being scum getting you down?
Are you in dire need of a mislynch?
Well if you pressure DV he will freak out and most likely get himself lynched!
Minimum effort, maximum reward!
Get your juicy free mislynchable DV today!

Except I'm pretty determined not to freak out (extensively) here so hah!

Obviously town can misread me and often do contribute to my mislynch, but usually when scum scumread me the reasons are pretty bad and hey what do you know? A lot of CF's reasons for scumreading me are really bad too!

Part 5: Dear CF's (hopefully real?) Scumbuddies

Now, you may think I'm town and that CF is your scumbuddy, but look at CF's posts! He is saying that I'm scum, and so if I'm scum and you're scum then we must be scumbuddies! And he says Penguin and AP are scum too, so they are also your scumbuddies! (Don't worry about AP leaving the wagon, I just used the connection forged by our inner animal beings to send him a telepathic signal to do so) So, the plan is to vote for CF!

~~

Now obviously I do have doubts and there are town CF posts. The strongest doubt for me is probably the first Tammy paranoia thing, which I have a hard time explaining from a scum PoV, but I feel strongly about (most of) what I've posted above and I think CF is scum.

So, vote for CF. Even if you think I'm scum, you can still vote for CF! Just look at how cute the wagon is:

Spoiler: Penguin_Alien

Spoiler: The Fox and the Hound

Even if we are scum, how can you say no to being friends forever?

Also AP you would have been part of the wagon of awesome too if you hadn't been a silly bird but YOU RUINED IT. (All will be forgiven if you vote for CF again though )

But yeah, vote for CarbonFiber and a receive a free

fedora

typically townish item today!

[The Fox and the Hound]

Oh wait have I even voted for CF yet?

Vote: CarbonFiber

[CarbonFiber]

You can't actually be serious...

If anyone actually thinks DV has a point and want me to respond, tell me that you want a response. I could probably make a response almost ENTIRELY of quotes because the conversation basically going like this:

DV: *makes an argument*
F-16: Discuss it and points out the problem
DV: *makes the same argument again*
F-16 Discusses it again and tells DV to read the thread
DV: *makes the same argument yet again and whines about being an easy mislynch when I'm the leading wagon and not him*

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Tl;dr

1) At the time I said "vig me if RBD is town," they had claimed miller. I didn't buy that there would be two millers in the game and was right. They probably shouldn't have fake-claimed, and got counterclaimed by the townie with their role.

2) Not caring about getting AP lynched is bullshit. I'm still happy to lynch him now but DV won't vote him.

This as good as confirms DV as scum

. DV is interested in tying people to AP, not getting him lynched.

3) Justification for the reaction was to get a read on PV and others in the game. DV is incapable of reading or is simply ignoring things. I'd be shocked if he is town here.

4) Suspecting DV is not a scumtell especially when he is playing like scum.