MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Tim Howard]

I think an LLD/Kanye scumteam is not only possible but also likely

This bothers me a lot. Not going to advocate flipping instead of LLD or anything but getting it out there.

I am reading. You people argue a lot.

Yeah, this LLD feels like she's tryharding to avoid a lynch.

VOTE: LLD

So what do you think of her content so far, also your tomorrow's wagon feelouts reads on the other two? More importantly, you know everyone wants to know who you're giving your card to. To me. Give me something to do. I hope you're not just planning to give it to Flipping again, he's already gotten a turn.

Haven't had time to do a re-read on them, but what I've seen from them today have given me slight townvibes on Plum and no alignment-feelings at all on UT.
I gave the card to Chamber, as we're fairly confident in his townishness at this point, and his claim seemed like a thing we should take into account.

I think an LLD/Kanye scumteam is not only possible but also likely

This bothers me a lot. Not going to advocate flipping instead of LLD or anything but getting it out there.

Why does this bother you / what bothers you about it?

I am reading. You people argue a lot.

Christ on a bicycle, WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOOT HIM FOR GOD'S SAKES. Or do something useful? Ugh.

[Zdenek]

Unvote

Back from V/LA. Want to read before there's a lynch. That should happen within 10 hours.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeaaaaaah I should probably claim.

I'm an UncertainKitten fangirl, and I have 2 abilities.

1 of them is what I said earlier about the tie breaker on no lynching.

The other is a roleblock.

Also, putting me at L-1 when Venmar has already said he would vote me and is the other leading wagon is ??? from Tim Howard if he's town.

[Tim Howard]

??? = I decided I want you lynched


whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Lady Lambdadelta]

venmar the weather vane ladies and gents

unvote vote Venmar

all aboard the lynch train. next stop is victory.

Ok let's start here. This is our baseline for UT, moving forward.

oy fuckin vey the last couple of pages

unvote vote Tim Howard

Alright, so here is our first change in pace. To this point in the game, UT has been (and continues to be) focused heavily on Venmar. Still, there was something here apparently strong enough for UT to be moved away. Note that the vote doesn't stay here long, but it's... well it's sort of a neutral comment. There's no negative impact from this because Tim Howard's posting is admittedly lacking on these pages, and there's not a lot of room to call him on it. The intent just feels off.

they're all over the road

the buddying post at me for townreading them, quadz walking in this morning and going "hey guys let's not get carried away and I think you are being a bit rude don't you think?", the scumread on Zed which is... I mean... what the fuck is that

this doesn't look like a persecution complex so much as a scum hydra trying to play good cop bad cop so people will feel guilty for scumreading them. mayyyyyyyybe I'm super bad at reading hydras, but it looks to me like damage control from a scum perspective rather than a town one

PEdit: the kats wagon is bad and they should feel bad

Here we have a discussion about UT's scum read on the Sixty hydra, which is not the super important other than showing UT's constant changing of reads, especially when he backtracks on Sixty later. The other important thing to note here is that UT mentions how much he doesn't want to touch a Kats wagon, and how it's bad, but is willing to be passive enough to let it run it's course on policy.

to be fair I have skimmed a bit

and you do tend to see red when people scumread you >_>

Here's the first bit of weird interaction from UT -> Reck. I just, I don't have a big explanation of what's wrong here, but this is what, on my first read through, made me look closer specifically at this. It felt off and forced.

except if you're gonna compromise how about you compromise on Venmar, who's like, actually scum though

This is again aimed at Reck and conveys that same bad feeling. It's just artificial, like UT is trying to engender some kind of feeling in Reck towards him based on what he expects Reck to do. It's not natural, the intent feels more like it has an ulterior motive.

Untrod Tripod - Zdenek and Katsuki defenses are nice but not enough to give a Town read. Votes are bad all the way down - even the Tim Howard vote because of the "good cop bad cop" explanation (see post 415). The discrediting of our slot in particular is actively anti-Town (neither pro-Town nor alignment-unrelated like generic complaining).

I'm just trying to get people off of dumb votes on a really good and protown slot and an easy mislynch. I've watched Zed laser through scumteams and not be taken seriously and I really want to give him the opportunity to shine here. I'm big on the Zed right now. And also I've been burned before with Kats and I'm not letting it happen again.

Also, I'm really not trying to discredit your slot, I just want to gently suggest that maybe you stop with the weird furry roleplaying because it makes your posts really hard to read and/or take seriously. You're both *really* good mafia players and it'd be good if you were posting like the intelligent people you are?

And I keep opening the thread and then closing it again because Shadoweh's ridiculous histrionics make me just want to die inside. Shadoweh I'm begging you: I've played games with you and you're a GREAT player when you're not flipping the fuck out like this. Please take a chill pill and help us hunt scum. I'd bet my bottom boondollar that scum are trying to make you a nonfactor by needling you out of the game.

__________

Okay now that my personal lovefest is over, can we PLEASE get down to business and lynch Venmar? Dude's not even trying to look town.

UT takes the time to cover his bases. Stroking Shadoweh's ego, leveling Sixty out with love/hate flopping, Stroking Zed's ego, Protecting Katsuki. This is UT grabbing allies for later fights. You can't appeal to someone unless you've got a base with them. What makes it even funnier is a post later that Sixty says right here:

UT is buddying hard

girl please

Rejecting the strategy UT put forward. Not surprisingly, Sixty didn't live to see the next day.

psst Reck do you think that quadz saying that is actually alignment indicative rather than just bullshit indicative?

bullshit =/= scum

Trying to level out Reck here, could be for a couple reasons. I mean if he's town, it's possible that he thinks Reck has just gone off the plantation, but that's not what I get from this post. It feels a hell of a lot more like UT is trying to reign Reck back in. Would I be surprised if Tim Howard was UT's scum partner? no. But it doesn't need to be like that for this to make sense for scum!UT. The more Reck is kept inside of UT's circle of control, the more useful he is to UT, and the less likely Reck pulls a 180 flip on him.

speaking of katsuki and his wagon

User: Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod _give_ <fuck>
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More of this, serving little purpose if you're not willing to actively persecute the people on that wagon. This is empty posting.

and don't even fucking start with me that that's not real syntax I fucking know but I JUST CAN'T FIND THAT FUCK TO GIVE ABOUT THAT

Venmar's still fuckin scum and I have no faith in our ability to blunder into an actual scum lynch the longer the day goes

I mean, christ, Reck's reasons alone for joining the Tim wagon should give him pause but he's too busy being pissed off at the rest of the game to realize that the wagon is made of bullshit and fail

Perpetuation as content, trying to keep things at status quo.

bullshit and fail, reck

bullshit

and

fail

Gives me the shivers.

what the fuck happened with that Plum wagon? why did we stop wanting to do that? that Plum is RIPE for a lynch

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

no but seriously I'll lynch Plum.

You'll lynch Plum (that makes 4 for you this day) but not vote her to preserve whatever pressure you thought was there that made plum ripe for a lynch? Hmmmm

you're really going to compare nuwen to quadz

like

really

This is the king of levels @ Reck from UT. Not only does it get the chance to downplay Tim Howard's competence (if they are indeed scum together) but it ALSO continues to send Reck into apathetic levels for UT to manipulate.

jesus christ he parades that out in front of us as if it clears him somehow

reck please tell me you're not going soft with age

we need Reck The Steely. Reck the Rock. Reck the Unbreakable.

And here it is. The Ego stroke to finish the leveling.

so you think reck AS SCUM would be protecting a TOWN doublevoter?

I just find that super unlikely

reck is super cheeky, but I doubt he'd play THAT fast and loose

THIS. FEELS. SO. FAKE.

the beetlejuice tell is strong with this one

This whole interaction with Plum about the beetlejuice tell, and then using it again later on me is ???

meta is trash

beetlejuicing comes from scum more often than town

I don't have anyting to say about this one, it's just here to complement the above comment.

sigh

okay yes it was a gay joke yes quadz is a hot man and to answer your implicit question yes

I think Reck could have been whiteknighting to pick up some town cred.

the question he asked was one he REALLY should know better about, considering he's hydra'd before and his rhetorical method is that cheap "REALLY?!" thing that people do when they know they need to disagree with something but they don't have an actual argument so they just act incredulous (reductium ad absurdium?)

the big question here is whether or not I think any of that makes reck scum and right now I think the answer is NO

The bolded is an issue.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

??? = I decided I want you lynched


whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ah, so you ARE scum with UT. You see my activity ramp up again, and with the promise of a hammer from Venmar and a case on UT from me, you make your move.

You can die next ^_^.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and I suppose my vote should be here:

Vote: UT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think an LLD/Kanye scumteam is not only possible but also likely

This bothers me a lot. Not going to advocate flipping instead of LLD or anything but getting it out there.

I am reading. You people argue a lot.

Yeah, this LLD feels like she's tryharding to avoid a lynch.

VOTE: LLD

So what do you think of her content so far, also your tomorrow's wagon feelouts reads on the other two? More importantly, you know everyone wants to know who you're giving your card to. To me. Give me something to do. I hope you're not just planning to give it to Flipping again, he's already gotten a turn.

Haven't had time to do a re-read on them, but what I've seen from them today have given me slight townvibes on Plum and

no alignment-feelings at all on UT.

I gave the card to Chamber, as we're fairly confident in his townishness at this point, and his claim seemed like a thing we should take into account.

I think an LLD/Kanye scumteam is not only possible but also likely

This bothers me a lot. Not going to advocate flipping instead of LLD or anything but getting it out there.

Why does this bother you / what bothers you about it?

I am reading. You people argue a lot.

Christ on a bicycle, WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOOT HIM FOR GOD'S SAKES. Or do something useful? Ugh.

Hahahahahhahahahahaha, oh god.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ughhhh hold on Tim Howard feels so weird.

Like the way he was voting UT and interacting with UT were consistent with UT and he being scum together, especially if he didn't believe UT would be lynched day 2, but to swap from UT onto Kanye if they're indeed all 3 scum is ??? if Tim Howard is indeed scum.

So fuck that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ISO'd Nero Cain. I don't like lynching him, seems town. Commencing reading up on the last few pages I missed now!

Not surprised NC doesn't have a reference to the doublevote in his role; it's Venmar's role, not his. (not alignment relevant)

We chose our targets according to who we thought was town.

kanye, my buddying on you in fire and ice was because I think you are a pretty damn good player, hence my scumread on you in this game for being super-useless

How many times have you seen me get that frustrated as scum?

Dunno? Not really an alignment thing, like I said, you just seem easily frustrated.

UT wagon is clearly not happening today, which is

VOTE: kanye
would vote venmar if that wagon gets bigger soon. will vote nero if I absolutely must to get a lynch today.

Like the bolded feels so right if they are indeed scum together.

But then the switch onto Kanye feels the exact opposite.

Fuck me, dude. It doesn't change how I feel about UT, but I was certain about these two the way they were playing off eachother...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, just for curiosities sake, how is tryharding to avoid a lynch alignment dependent?

[Tim Howard]

Yes LLD, you're right, I am voting you because I am afraid of you. *eyeroll*

Also, I read through the whole LLD post on UT, and literally every time she talks about how he's manipulating Reck, my response was "no that's just how UT talks." I mean, you're not necessarily wrong that he's trying to manipulate Reck, but if he is, it's more subtle than what you've pointed out, I think.



P-Edit: It's not inherently alignment-dependent, I suppose. It's primarily that none of your tryhardy posts have made me feel any better about your alignment, I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wow, you really are on his dick aren't you?

Like you literally can't be scum with him because of what I showed, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to literally shoot you in the face for that. "Just how UT talks" my ass. Even if Meta meant ANYTHING in this game, that would be useless. His intent is there, but I guess it's hard to see anything when you're on your knees, yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jesus, I'm angry now. I want the apathy back pls. I want to not caaaaareeeeee.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shadoweh
chamber
Plum
Venmar
Untrod Tripod
Flipping Awesome
xRECKONERx

Alright, assuming 2-3 scum left they're solidly in this group.

Cerulean is town because of the hammer in the last day. I mean, potentially gambitting for town cred but like, that feels weird and bad to me in that situation.
NS is town for his vote on that wagon and how he played the end of Day 2.
Tim Howard is staying in a town book right now because the people he can be scum with just aren't scum.
Zdenek is pretty solidly town, with his voting patterns and how he's held himself this game.
Nero Cain is town. Just cause.

So there's the 7 above us. I'll be damned if Shadoweh is scum, just based on things I've seen.

The other 6, I'm having a hard time. I feel like Plum and Reckoner and Chamber are town but that leaves Venmar and UT and Flipping Awesome and that feels supremely weird too.

I have to wonder if my paranoia about chamber wasn't wrong and I maybe dropped that pressure too early.

Plum is another person I'm having @_@ feelings about but she still feels strongly town for me.

Honestly, if you went for like,

one of Venmar/UT (UT is the right answer here but I'm totally falliable in this game cause I've been so removed for so long)
Flipping Awesome
And like, either one of Chamber/Plum (OR I'm really wrong about someone who I feel super town on, and they'd be moved into this slot.

I feel like that might win the game? I'm just not as certain as I should be at this point in a game cause I'm so out of loop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I don't even know why I'm wasting my time trying to put this puzzle together. I'm probably getting lynched and like, no one is going to read what I've said post mortum.

But now I'm actually invested in this game. Worst time to actually give a fuck ever. :/

[xRECKONERx]

to swap from UT onto Kanye if they're indeed all 3 scum is ??? if Tim Howard is indeed scum.

uh no it's not?

[xRECKONERx]

i don't even have words right now for that wallpost on UT

[xRECKONERx]

oh except these:

VOTE: UT

[Untrod Tripod]

hey did you know that if you throw together about 20 quotes and say the same empty statements over and over again it becomes a case? it's innovative in the sense that you can't really argue against nothing and even responding to it make it look more legit, but other than that it's pretty sad and flail-y

[xRECKONERx]

u manipulated me tho

[Venmar]

Soo... LLD says UT is scum mainly because of the Reck interactions?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

More or less? there's some other stuff, like that post where he strokes 4 different people's egos at once, but yeah.

[Venmar]

I mean, my reasons to suspect UT are slightly different, and more stationed around his lack of a spine around voting and his read on me, and his inability to respond to my comebacks.

The ego stroking makes sense, just curious how you're building a case around interactions between two players you don't know the alignments of for certain?

[Untrod Tripod]

u manipulated me tho

reck plz