Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

bubbajack8 (1): ika
Dr Pants (3): Snork, Burning_Earth, MafiaSSK
HighShroomish (1): Antihero
ika (2): Titus, HighShroomish
Snork (1): Dr Pants
Not voting (3): bubbajack8, goodmorning, Kitoari

With

11

players alive, it takes

6

votes to lynch a player.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-05-30 18:25:24).

[StrangerCoug]

Kitoari has been prodded.

[Burning_Earth]

Antihero, you seem to like votes on bubba, ssk and BE. That seems like lynch the other low posters not me.

BE, you still need to answer my wuestion on mgts.

Oh wow this is so misreppy.

I'm B_E there. We haven't shared a game.

[Antihero]

Plenty of people were talking about an SSK wagon. Interpreting 333 as an implicit endorsement of an SSK wagon is reasonable. I don't get why you're hot headed. You corrected, I have my opinion of what you were doing. You have yours. You've clarified your current position. I think you are just trying to start drama to be dramatic.

interpreting 333 as an implicit endorsement of an ssk wagon is so far beyond the pale of "reasonable", i don't think there's a word for it.

you seriously thought that?

[bubbajack8]

what caught my eye was snork's introduction. while there were a few people who didn't want a reinoe lynch, very few people actually defended him. I find it odd then that Snork was able to tell that "Reinoe is fucking obvtown". Additionally this looks very opportunistic:

Reinoe is a shitty fucking lynch and looks to me like it has only gotten so far because half the town is asleep and the scum are having an easy time of it. That wagon is going to be uber useful.

VOTE: Snork

Specifically, what happened in the first seven pages that told you that Reinoe was obvtown?

I'm in agreeance with this, let me catchup though.

SSK's hammer was also shit. Not sure if it's from scum or not. I would think he'd be better than that.

VOTE: Pants

But you don't vote SSK?

B_E, Shroomish, GreyIce, Me, Bubba, ika, and SSK. If their's scum on this wagon, then its amongst:

B_E, Shroomish, Bubba, ika, and SSK.

This is interesting considering the kill. You removed 2 people from the wagon (the dead, and yourself) and claim this is the scum pool (with 2 tiers). Inteerreesstiingg.

bubba: you said you had 0 scum games, what do you have to say to our scum game i just linked here?
How come you were seem so mad yesterday?
What do you have to say about the 2 flips?

I have never had a game where I was

assigned

scum sooooo. I just play like I'm town and forget I'm scum.

Actually I said I was never ASSIGNED scum. Which is true, the only time I've been scum is in games that I have replaced someone.

I was mad at renoie for holding a grudge last game.

Reneoi's flip surprrised me. GreyIce not too much.

(I allow "Bah!" posts, by the way.)

@MOD

How many "Bah!" posts do I get? I've got the Vodka bottle and I've taken back a few, but I wanna make sure every one of my bah posts count.

Can I "bah" for the rest of the game as long as none of the posts are relevent to the game because that would be so kickass and you would be my all-time favorite mod forever. Imagine all the dead players "bah!"ing throughout the game as the scum and the townies try to manipulate each other. Actually I've got an idea for my first modded game.

You get one, and you just spent it.

alright, just to be clear

i do NOT approve of a Snork wagon
i do NOT approve of an ika wagon
i do NOT approve of an SSK wagon
i do NOT approve of a Snork wagon

i also don't believe in ghosts
i also don't believe 9/11 was an inside job
i also don't believe obama was born in kenya

...since, apparently, if i don't say these things, people randomly fill in opinions on them

Double negative = You do approve?

Also on those last three you're wrong on one (;

Snork I can understand votes for. Dr not so much. Ika I don't get either.

[HighShroomish]

@ika
Your continual push for RQS at the beginning
You say you have a plan, tell everyone just to know that you have a plan, and expect us to trust you, and I just caught your "crumb".
Your post seem to have a "superiority" attitude.
Titus' entry was weird, but he has good reasoning for voting which I like.


Why was Titus' entry weird as fuck? Person who said I was going off gut and some other shit- Yeah, this was gut. It felt weird. My gut is either spot on, or way off. I'm thinking it's 100% accurate.

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubba

[Antihero]

what caught my eye was snork's introduction. while there were a few people who didn't want a reinoe lynch, very few people actually defended him. I find it odd then that Snork was able to tell that "Reinoe is fucking obvtown". Additionally this looks very opportunistic:

Reinoe is a shitty fucking lynch and looks to me like it has only gotten so far because half the town is asleep and the scum are having an easy time of it. That wagon is going to be uber useful.

VOTE: Snork

Specifically, what happened in the first seven pages that told you that Reinoe was obvtown?

I'm in agreeance with this, let me catchup though.

ok...

SSK's hammer was also shit. Not sure if it's from scum or not. I would think he'd be better than that.

VOTE: Pants

But you don't vote SSK?

but snork just said he's not sure if it's from scum or not. why would an SSK vote logically follow from that?

B_E, Shroomish, GreyIce, Me, Bubba, ika, and SSK. If their's scum on this wagon, then its amongst:

B_E, Shroomish, Bubba, ika, and SSK.

This is interesting considering the kill. You removed 2 people from the wagon (the dead, and yourself) and claim this is the scum pool (with 2 tiers). Inteerreesstiingg.

if he's doing it for his own analysis, why is it interesting that he eliminates himself (he's not going to vote himself) and the guy who already flipped town?

overall, i'm a little taken aback that no vote results from the commentary in this post. it feels like bubba's trying to approach snork vs pants delicately instead of actually trying to suss out if either of them are scum.

[Titus]

BE, I was surprised then that you referred to me as Scarlet then. That tells me you've done a fair amount of meta homework on me at least. Have you researched anyone else?

Antihero, you are acting as if your way is the only way to scumhunt. It's not. Sometimes watching and observing is the best approach. Sometimes getting people not to death tunnel is. We all have our way of scumhunting. Yet, your post isn't focused on hunting. Again, it's another accusation. There are questions sure, but those questions are designed to steer towards a particular answer. It's too early for that at the moment. The flurry of accusations seems to be a cover for your own lack of scumhunting. Put up a nullread here and start hunting them.

VOTE: Antihero

[Antihero]

BE, I was surprised then that you referred to me as Scarlet then. That tells me you've done a fair amount of meta homework on me at least. Have you researched anyone else?

Antihero, you are acting as if your way is the only way to scumhunt. It's not. Sometimes watching and observing is the best approach. Sometimes getting people not to death tunnel is. We all have our way of scumhunting. Yet, your post isn't focused on hunting. Again, it's another accusation. There are questions sure, but those questions are designed to steer towards a particular answer. It's too early for that at the moment. The flurry of accusations seems to be a cover for your own lack of scumhunting. Put up a nullread here and start hunting them.

VOTE: Antihero

not my style. i use questions mostly as a rhetorical device to point out inconsistencies.

that's a playstyle issue (which i won't change for you) and you know it.

[Titus]

Antihero, I use that tactic a lot. However, I also use it with actual scumhunting. You aren't. I don't see thinking but merely accusing. So dude, use your tactic but scumhunt not just scum accuse. Of course, I don't think you can scumhunt so you're trying to blow off a lack of scumhunting as "playstyle".

[Dr Pants]

explain to me how somebody can hunt scum without accusing people of being scum? and aren't you also acting as if your way is the only way to scum hunt?

[Titus]

Accusations alone aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is trying to determine the alignment of someone.

I can type out Adam is scum until I am blue in the face. That's not investigating. Investigating is trying to solve the game. That's what I want.

[Titus]

It's like going to a vehicle parts store, and all they have for sale is an engine. Sure the engine is essential, but engines alone don't make a car shop. You need tires, chains, axles etc.

Engine = accusations... tires/chains/axles = investigation

Together all of it scumhunts (makes a working car).

[Dr Pants]

Except that you have a team of people, and you have to get them to pick out the right parts.

I agree that good investigation is essential to scum hunting, but accusations are a part of investigating. If you attack someone, and get a certain response, then you have essentially gained a similar amount of information compared to asking specific questions. Basically, he's playing bad cop, you're playing good cop.

[Snork]

anti's not scum btw. i'm lazy and had a crazy weekend and probably shouldn't hve replaced in but blah. so, if you want answers to anything it has to happen now. i was up dumb early for a stupid work thing and i'm exhauste.d i'll check back here in a little bit to answer stuff.

pannts - i'm not going to give you your own case. i'll make a case for others but i'm not going to aruge

your alignment

with

you

. i am positive you're scum the way i was positive about reinoe.

bubba is a really good option for partner. (if it wasn't clear, i no longer think gm is scum anymore, and ssk is meh). not sure where people were getting 3 scum from unless it was posted somewhere that i missed but don't we have 13 people? it could be 2 or 3. is there some advantage to looking for 3 rather than 2? i personally think that's kind of stupid at this point because if there's only 2 you're making connections with townies and screwing up all your analysis.

[Dr Pants]

theres 3 scum, because thats how almost every 13 person game is balanced.

if you're sure about me being scum, well then im sure about you being scum. good news is that I know you are wrong about me. am I wrong about you?

why isn't anti scum?

[Dr Pants]

also your "oh there could be 2 scum" is the silliest attempt at a townslip. The silliest.

[ika]

just got off work checking now

[ika]

@titus, how about you stop being so scummy and scum hunt, after the many talks about how you play as town and scum , you seem to be itimminating one of your scum plays:

banter about how to play mafia. So far i have yet to see any actual scum hunting from you (besides on me). So heres something, give me a logical standpoint on why a scum would kill grayice.

@dr pant: more or less what titus said, my plans usally involve heavy wifom games and layers of mistery. However there is also a layer of transparency. You just have to read it very well.

@HS are you asking me something or jsut puting statements for me?

@bubba: fair enough, who are your top scumspects atm?

@anti: question, do you belive in spirits working beyond the grave?

anyay untill titus decides to do actual scum hunting and tries to solve the game.

VOTE: titus

you can keep that "rope" as close as you like but it will never come to fruition. How about this also, assume im town, who is next scumspects for you. I already gave enough info on my plan. I'm not giving you more.

[Antihero]

Accusations alone aren't scumhunting. Scumhunting is trying to determine the alignment of someone.

right.

my style is to make "accusations" and then see how they react to the accusations.

you're the one being intentionally dense. not me.

[Antihero]

like, seriously titus, you've never seen "apply pressure to suspects and gauge reactions" technique?

no way. i don't believe it.

[bubbajack8]

SSK's hammer was also shit. Not sure if it's from scum or not. I would think he'd be better than that.

VOTE: Pants

But you don't vote SSK?

but snork just said he's not sure if it's from scum or not. why would an SSK vote logically follow from that?

Why wouldn't it? Why would he vote pants?

B_E, Shroomish, GreyIce, Me, Bubba, ika, and SSK. If their's scum on this wagon, then its amongst:

B_E, Shroomish, Bubba, ika, and SSK.

This is interesting considering the kill. You removed 2 people from the wagon (the dead, and yourself) and claim this is the scum pool (with 2 tiers). Inteerreesstiingg.

if he's doing it for his own analysis, why is it interesting that he eliminates himself (he's not going to vote himself) and the guy who already flipped town?

He's putting himself in the town pool with the dead guy, and then saying everyone else on the wagon is scum (in different tiers).

overall, i'm a little taken aback that no vote results from the commentary in this post. it feels like bubba's trying to approach snork vs pants delicately instead of actually trying to suss out if either of them are scum.

Actually I said I could see Snork scum, and I didn't see a Pats scum at the end, so misrep much?

(if it wasn't clear, i no longer think gm is scum anymore, and ssk is meh). not sure where people were getting 3 scum from unless it was posted somewhere that i missed but don't we have 13 people? it could be 2 or 3. is there some advantage to looking for 3 rather than 2? i personally think that's kind of stupid at this point because if there's only 2 you're making connections with townies and screwing up all your analysis.

Soooo faked.

Ika how is Titus scummy?

[Dr Pants]

He's putting himself in the town pool with the dead guy, and then saying everyone else on the wagon is scum (in different tiers).

I examined the lynch pool at the request of Titus. I removed myself from the list because I know I'm not scum, and self analysis in general isn't really a good way to do a PoE examination, it always will come off as forced.

[Snork]

theres 3 scum, because thats how almost every 13 person game is balanced.

Says the guy whose account isn't even old enough to mod anything. Nowhere does it say there are 3 scum. And furthermore, attempting make association reads based on that is just asking for trouble.

if you're sure about me being scum, well then im sure about you being scum. good news is that I know you are wrong about me. am I wrong about you?

Scum can't be wrong; only lying.

why isn't anti scum?

Cuz I said so.

also your "oh there could be 2 scum" is the silliest attempt at a townslip. The silliest.

Good thing it wasn't an attempt at a townslip.

By the by - Bubba + DP ganging up on me without justification is really telling by the way. Anti, can you please look at these people ffs..