Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

Lying Cat, how do you have Mollie as town? Who is the scum on the Wicked wagon and why?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Titus, MTD, ZZZX scumteam. Wickeddestjr might be scum but we can clear that up before we run out of obvious scum that need lynching.

I want my MTD lynch and I want it now.

Lying Cat might actually be town ugh ok.

Town: PN, Saki, Vezok, Doduo, majiffy
Par for the course: Lying Cat
Die scum die: MTD

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Oops Im really bad at links.

Spoiler:

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Ugh and I have a secret scum read atm. Not even a scumread, more like a paranoid-doublebackupgut read that I think could very well be scum. I'd out it, but it would only derail my obvious-scum lynch on MTD right now so I will not.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote WTD

I agree with the scum feels on him.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

well-hung fruit

I may be a fruit, but Im not THAT well hung....

Speak for yourself AP

ISO'd ZZZX on request. He's scum.

Sthar

this is nothing like his town play from what I remember. There's no scum hunting. He's not even trying.

The rest I don't know. I haven't been following because life sucks at the moment.

AP you have control of the vote until I get caught up on ISOs.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

who wants a quickie?

General ISO comments by player:

Spoiler: beastcharizard's ISO

11 pages? Really guys? Tell me what page to start reading at because of the first 2 are straight up garbage.

this could be scum maybe

Spoilered for lols

If only this game wasn't so bleh to read in the first place I could actually use that as a scumguage. BPC and BC are about as caught up as I am.

Doduo hasn't said jack shit worth reading. I'm really tempted to be a weeny and report every post for trolling. If you're not going to play the game, don't sign up. gawd
^would totally lynch and not even care one bit if they were town.

LC is town YAY and thank god. Scum sthar is so fking annoying.

I kind of wish Majiffy wasn't playing this game cuz I agree with everything he's said but I'd look like a mook repeating it. Seemed to be hung up on Doduo issue but the rest of the ISO looks good to me.

Still think mastin is scum. I hate the empty reads so much and the "I'm being lazy" as if playing like shit is a reason not to lynch her. I'm feeling the same disappointed I was in the large. I keep bringing it up because it's true. There are serious correlations and I can't drop it.

The biggest problem I'm having with MTD at the moment is that he is responding from gut whereas his other (town) games are analysis heavy. Definitely could be scum here.

PV is totally null. :/ In NY 172, I was concerned about the slot because there wasn't much content coming from it, until the very last second, so I got the impression that he gives only as much effort as required from him. He's not under pressure at the moment and thus not doing anything. (He was town there btw). Does anyone know if this is alignment indicative for him?

PN is hard to read - I mean literally - reading their posts is difficult; I don’t know what they are saying most of the time, but the distinct difference between their play here and [other game] is comforting.

I feel like the "I dunno what's goin on gaiz" routine from pirate mollie sounds kind of fake. I also don't really see where she's going with... anything. She can't "feel" mastin and AP is town. There's no comments on anything else really. :/ null, maybe nullscum.

Speedy saki is awesomely town. Their very first post is brilliant. And everything else is cute and open and honest.

I wanna lynch titus just for the fact that I can't deal with the distraction. No logic, waste of time arguments, focusing on ridiculous semantics that mean nothing, horrible reads, I'm sorry. I just can't. I don’t even care what her alignment is.

Vezok is weird but cool. Cant figure him out just yet though. Will need a deeper look or meta insight from other trustworthy people. Leaning town at the moment but #totalgutread

So wicked is the mislynch of choice imo. He posts his opinions and then explains why he thinks so and points it out. And it's not lame backwards logic either. Good stuff, so why is he the popular wagon? Dude is town.

ZZZX I already said could be scum from ISO.

500 days of summary:
Town {LC, Majiffy, PN, SpSaki, Wicked}
Nulltown {vez}
Null {BC, BPC, PV}
Nullscum {PM}
Scum {mastin, MTD, ZZZX}
Don’t care {Doduo, Titus}

This is only 15 people. Why am I missing one...

Uh... zabriel? wtf ... I hate people like this.

p-edit: not as quickie as I'd anticipated.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

was all me btw

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Updated VC cuz I needed one.

Heck Reaction

Bipolarchemist - 1 (PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (Titus)
Majiffy - 1 (mastin2)
mastin2 - 2 (Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka)
MTD - 3 (Wickedestjr, Speedy Saki, GG)
Titus - 1 (pirate mollie)
Wickedestjr - 4 (Doduo, Lying Cat, Majiffy, MTD, ZZZX)

Not Voting: beastcharizard, Bipolarchemist, zabriel

9 to lynch. Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-09 12:00:54)

MTD and/or ZZZX look like the scum on wicked's wagon to me. PV's vote makes no sense. Titus' vote is meaningless. Mastin's vote is scummy. PN/vez's votes I get. Agree with where our vote is at the moment @AP. PM's vote is scummy.

K that's all. Back to work for me.

-snork

[Guilty Gunsmith]

actually that's not it just yet

LC can you explain why you are voting wicked at the moment? Your vote is the only one I don't understand on that wagon.

[mastin2]

Despite me being totally transparent, no one reads me well.

Actually, I think this is the answer I have for you, Titus. Your strength as a scum player is being transparent without being transparently-scum. That is, your thoughts are made crystal clear and feel (because they largely will be) genuine, but are still furthering a scum wincon. Thus, why everyone reads you as town when you're scum. It's also the weakness in your scumgame, though, because if something feels off, if something doesn't add up, on the transparent thoughts, it's the giveaway that you're scum, I'd think. (Not exactly sure; I'd have to fact-check.) And I'm actually theorizing this is actually why you're so hard to read as town: because players with experience playing with you's main way of reading players (transparency) they know doesn't apply to you, meaning they find it difficult to tell whether you're town or scum in spite of sounding town.

Again, haven't fact-checked, but I think this is an accurate summary of you as a player.

@mastin: bert's town. Look at his posts and tell me if anything doesn't scream town to you.

Which is exactly what I was saying?

Have you heard of pressure? Wicked is already scum. No need to keep my vote there when we pursue other leads.

Helpful hint, pressuring players generally works better if you're pressuring someone who actually will change when under pressure. Which admittedly would happen in past games but I'm not letting it happen this game, so pressuring me isn't going to do anything. Talking to me, sure, yeah, that can do stuff. Pressuring me, not so much.

Mastin has been pushed up right to boiling point...

Past, actually. It's something you'd never expect, but I can in fact be pushed so far that I BREAK. And not only boil over, but evaporate into scolding-hot vicious steam. (Not a pretty sight.) Part of the reason for the chillz attitude this game.

So... from what I can tell from 2 games with mastin (1 where she was town 1 she was scum), this feels like neither really...

Welcome to me, MTD. Above all other things, that you'll learn about me. Nobody changes game to game more than I do. (Thus my thread about meta in MD.) In part because nobody's been in as many games as I have. (150+ by now.) It's not just role, it's not just alignment, it's not just game type, it's not just players inside the game, it's not just my mood, it's not just the circumstances of other ongoing games and past games (read the MD thread for more details; they DO influence things!), but rather, all of them combined and more, making me basically the very definition of, "don't use objective tells; use subjective feelings about patterns", more or less.

mastin's townbloc: speedy saki, mastin, zzzx, vezok, perp. nonsense

Not quite. You placed me inside of it. I mean, you could

let

me in if you felt like it, since I do work well with players like you and am town, but I don't really see myself inside the townbloc right now. The weird feelings around me are too strong for that.

Hello towns just to clear up some stuff
I have played with zzzx off site before
Since then zzzx has gotten a hardon for me and is stalking me
We have completed N games together and I always read him right
He always reads me town regardless if I was really town or scum lol
As he is stalking we are currently in X concurrent games, including this one
This is the first time he calls me scum

Believe it or not, I'm actually aware of this. However, though Zx's initial misread raised my eyebrow, read your exchange in its full entirety. It looks incredibly town on both ends.

ZZZX and Sonic.
Stop that fight ffs. You are both town. Go find scum.

And people wonder why Vezok is my top-townread.

She isnt bothering to read my posts.

Actually, I am. The entirety of them is lynching (mainly on policy) players that I am thinking town. Aside from Wicked, who I'm avoiding giving conclusions on for the time being. It's not that I'm not bothering to read your posts. It's that

there's nothing to be read

in

your posts

, thus the scumread.

She avoids direct questions in favor of half assed deflected answers.

The only direct questions you've given me are loaded questions. So when I have answered...yes, they've been deflecting...but deflecting the weight in a manner to unload them and leave the scales of the question/answer balanced. (That...made sense in my head?)

This is looking a lot likd her l4d game.

Eh, I guess I can kinda see the comparison, vaguely. (Though it should be noted that as scum, I don't think I've ever used the same trick in two back-to-back games. Specifically because players will be looking for the trick in the next game, so I change things up each time. Typically, my townplay resembling a previous game = scuMastin; my scumplay resembling a previous game = masTown. Cyclic rather than static play, you could say.)

Im gonna have to go with mastin because we think really similarly.

And yet, you're not seeing my thoughts at all, and I'm not seeing yours at all. You're advocating the lynch of players for the most part I largely have no problems with, and your reads in general are being held tightly to your chest. There's no transparency at all. There's a lack of seeing into what you're thinking, because you're going out of your way to push things in a zero-info way. And you're not really seeing any of my thoughts. My reads, my reasons, you accused me of not reading your posts...but have you read mine? Your posting hasn't reflected that at all.

Thus the vote.

Jiffy you're usually very very vocal which I like, but here you're almost completely reactionary without initiative. What is up with that huh? Like you did not come in to this game firing out of this gate and that worries me.

This guy. This guy gets it.

[Majiffy]

Did I cover everyone or do I need to start rumors about anyone else?

p.edit: AngryPidgeon likes to dress up as a clown and dance to Lady Gaga songs.[/color]

It's not a "rumor" if it's "public knowledge".

Also Im on antibiotics and not allowed to drink alcohol for a week.

Go party it up tonight. I drank on antibiotics about four years back and I didn't even feel a bit of sickness.

Spoiler: MTD shit

snip

You're confbiasing.

P.s I am not a hydra

I repeat
I am not a hydra

No, but you broke the rules by voting an individual hydra head.

But you must have missed that because all those farts you inhale are going to your head.

Daymn. I cant see it. Right Vi our current mod? (*Dizzy dance here*)

@mod If I vote you as a joke will I get mod wrath on my slot?

I really don't like this post.

I don't know why. I just can't get around it.

Lying Cat, how do you have Mollie as town?

Because she is pretty distinct in her town and scum play.

Titus, MTD, ZZZX scumteam. Wickeddestjr

No, No, Maybe, Yes.

ISO'd ZZZX on request. He's scum.

Sthar

this is nothing like his town play from what I remember. There's no scum hunting. He's not even trying.

Snork I think you and I have the chemistry to be #bestbuddiesforevz

Doduo hasn't said jack shit worth reading. I'm really tempted to be a weeny and report every post for trolling. If you're not going to play the game, don't sign up. gawd
^would totally lynch and not even care one bit if they were town.

This exact thought process. I even spent 20 min looking through the site and game rules to figure out if there was a technicality I could push for a force replacement / modkill / etc.

Nothing personal to you, Marquis and NS. But your posts this game are fucking utter shit.

I feel like the "I dunno what's goin on gaiz" routine from pirate mollie sounds kind of fake. I also don't really see where she's going with... anything. She can't "feel" mastin and AP is town. There's no comments on anything else really. :/ null, maybe nullscum.

Mollie will shine town if she's town.

Vezok is weird but cool. Cant figure him out just yet though. Will need a deeper look or meta insight from other trustworthy people. Leaning town at the moment but #totalgutread

I lean scum here, but I think I usually lean scum on Vezok.

So wicked is the mislynch of choice imo. He posts his opinions and then explains why he thinks so and points it out. And it's not lame backwards logic either. Good stuff, so why is he the popular wagon? Dude is town.

Over-explaining. Awkward, rigid tonality. Not town.

uh... zabriel? wtf ... I hate people like this.

He obvtowns as town and obvscums as scum. Lurking is his typical M.O. but he usually checks in by now.

[Majiffy]

I've been incredibly transparent, Mastin. Literally everything you say about me is either a misrep or flat-out wrong. A lot of it even looks like projection; you claim I'm keeping reads close to the chest and zero-info, I know not a single valid reason for one of your town reads. Not one.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Majiffy is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time? I don't have any other games with him to compare and i haven't had time to look.

-snork

[Majiffy]

No idea.

[mastin2]

Every. Single. Time. I've seen Mastinscum she's half-assed her play. Is this legit or am I being aggressively paranoid?

Yesbutno. Yes, there's a point to me being lazy as scum, and that's because I'm SO dang good at it that often, I slack off simply because when I put the time and effort into things, I'll basically nearly never lose a scumgame. No, me half-assing it isn't a scumtell, since, well, in spite of the above, me half-assing my play is something that actually comes from a town me more, really. It's...kinda confusing; I can't really explain it myself.

Jiffy, Are you my uncle Ethyl now?

Umm. I'm not sure about this. But I checked my role PM just now. And it's possible I'm uncle/auntie Ethyl? /knows nothing about Organic Chemistry. Like, it's possible, it's also possible I'm not; I don't know what uncle/auntie Ethyl means, I just know it's possible given my role PM that I am it.

Can we lynch MTD?

Maybe? Won't get me resisting it. He's maybescum, maybetown, until I look at things more in-depth.

I have her firmly in my null-town pile right now. I dont think her attitude overhaul is alignment indicative at all, but it could be from scum.

Attitude overall not alignment-indicative and could be from scum.
Null-town.
Not computing.

Nor a ruse, nor a trick, nor a whimsy. She is being genuine about her feelings. That doesn't make her town, but reread her with this in mind? I guarantee that Im right.

Of course me saying it invalidates it, but I've kinda felt plenty-whimsical this game, and that's a good thing, not a bad one. And yeah, you are.

Majiffy is one of the few people who won't misread mastin aggressively for shit reasons.

(Thus the scumread because he is.)

[MTD]

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

You are kidding me right? Mastin is half-assing reads...therefore anyone who agrees with her reads is wrong? That is wrong on so many levels and screams of scum looking for some way to discredit Titus.

Lol, what are you even talking about?
I never said Titus' reads are wrong, I just said that it concerns me that having the same reads mastin called half-assed and bad makes Titus think she is town.

/1 more page

[MTD]

Spoiler:

Any chance of a case on cat?

And what do you find bad about

that

sentence?

LOLSCUM.

Also, I said that You really do look bad, not that you look really bad -.-

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

Also, Wicked, what are you trying to achieve with those WIFOM questions?

LOLSCUM.

GG attacked me for it and I didn't understand why.

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

So... I think that MS/ZZZX exchange is p town from both,
@ZZZX: Why do you think MS is scummy?

LOLSCUM.

MTD, my reads and Mastin's are astonishingly similar.

Well, since mastin said that her reads were bad and she was half-assing stuff, this concerns me somewhat.

LYNCH THIS CLOWN.

I love this post.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

me too.

[MTD]

The biggest problem I'm having with MTD at the moment is that he is responding from gut whereas his other (town) games are analysis heavy. Definitely could be scum here.

Heh.

This is a point I can understand.

a) Did you look at my scumgames so far? Afaict they were generally quite analysis-heavy as well.
b) Biggest reason for this is me learning. Seeing that my "analytical" reads were often wrong and I should often rather have followed my gut, I am trying that, at least until the amount of players in the game is such that I

can

form senseful reads in an analytical way

[Guilty Gunsmith]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

[mastin2]

Majiffy is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time?

I vaguely remember it being the reason I scumread him in Tough Guy. Soooooo, maybe?

Spoiler: MTD shit

snip

You're confbiasing.

Though I agree, I disagree that this means MTD suspicion is invalid altogether.

[snip]

I really don't like this post.

And yet, I had no problem with it.

Titus, MTD, ZZZX scumteam. Wickeddestjr

No, No, Maybe, Yes.

See, this is the problem. The closest I've gotten to agreeing with you is thinking (but not sure) no on Titus, thinking (and being fairly sure) no on Zx, and thinking maybe (but not sure) on Wicked. That's like a 1.5/4 if you're being extra-generous.

Nothing personal to you, Marquis and NS. But your posts this game are fucking utter shit.

Closest they have to shit-posting is their lack of stronger presence in-thread.

As I said. Not feeling the townz.
I normally feel the townz.

I've been incredibly transparent, Mastin.

Then why do I know absolutely nothing about most of your reads?

I know not a single valid reason for one of your town reads. Not one.

Show the invalid ones, then. I've explained every read that people have asked me to explain.

[MTD]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

Wat?

What are you trying to say?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

I vaguely remember it being the reason I scumread him in Tough Guy. Soooooo, maybe?

why didn't you answer the question? Was he scum or town there?

And really I'd prefer the answer from someone who's

not

likely to be scum.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

no no. perhaps i should have been more explicit.

you're

saying

all your reads are gut. but you still aren't analyzing anything.

Wat?

What are you trying to say?

you think i am scumreading you because i think you are playing from gut. the point was not that i think you are playing from gut; i see that you are saying you are playing from gut (i.e. i don't believe you actually are) because even if you were reading people from gut you'd be analyzing the wagons and the direction other people are going in (like we are, like others are) but you aren't. the fact that this is an inherent quality of your town game means it should be present at least partially, especially if you say that this is something new you are trying, but its completely absent, so really the only answer is that you are lying.