Tales of You (Endgame)

[CarbonFiber]

I am 100% sure on Titan-town. It is PV that worries me.

How likely do you think PV is a scum-vig?

And AP obviously.

[Just Sheep Us]

If he's a scum vig, he isn't more than 1-shot...

p5, if we lynch scum today, confirm that you are multi-shot by shooting magenta or RG tonight

[Just Sheep Us]

I don't think AP's a godfather.

[The Fox and the Hound]

You claim there's a 2/3 chance of lynching scum as long as one stays within that group, and yet you also insist that we have to be the lynch and no one else will do, because that makes so much sense

Whatever I should be asleep

[DeasVail]

V/LA due to internet connection problems. Hopefully sorted by tomorrow.

[Yulia Jue]

Pausing deadline until a majority of players have checked back in.

[Titan]

300 pages

i will skip them all

[The Fox and the Hound]

Present and/or accounted for, sir.

I have a harebrained theory that's been growing in my mind over the time the site was down, but I'll refrain until we're actually playing.
-Ceph

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi

[CarbonFiber]

I'm here.

[penguin_alien]

Mod, I will be V/LA for a week (through 6/4) due to personal issues. I apologize to you and the players; if this is too long a V/LA for the game, I understand if you need to force-replace me.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Back and ready.

[PeregrineV]

I'm back.

Will need to look over everything because my brain un-mafia-ed while we were on break.

[PeregrineV]

Just backskimmed, but feel like wanting to sheep Just Sheep Us.

Vote: FoxHound

But, to be totally upfront with my feelings, would prefer a Nacho lynch. Think about it.

[Titan]

Tammy head checking in.

I'm sick as hell, be back tomorrow.

[magenta_thegreat]

Ugh

w/e

VOTE: Foxhound

[The Fox and the Hound]

Okay, nope, looks like I have to just lay out my theory and hope someone pays attention.

I think there must be something to Tammy's concern that scum can end the game. I think the scumteam is CF, magenta, PA, and someone else. That's the only way CF could be pushing us the way he has today-- he isn't worried about blowback tomorrow because there won't be a tomorrow, and we're being pushed over the much easier lynch of magenta because magenta is scum. PA probably gave Tammy some kind of delayed death, like a poisoner or something. I can't come up with another way CF would do something this ridiculous as scum, so that's what I'm going with.

Anyone not concerned with how this day has developed needs to reexamine their thought process. Most notably 7640, which reads like a fucking quickhammer opening and probably is? Please help.

[Just Sheep Us]

unvote
vote: magenta

THIS IS THE LYNCH WE CAN BELIEVE IN DAMNIT

[CarbonFiber]

UNVOTE:

Need to think some more. I still don't think FoxHound are town but I want to hear from Nacho first.

[CarbonFiber]

I can't come up with another way CF would do something this ridiculous as scum, so that's what I'm going with.

If you can't think of a way why I would play the way I'm playing as scum, it means I'm TOWN, you idiot.

Anyways, what hapenned to your Nacho scumread?

[The Fox and the Hound]

Well, this is Ceph. I feel very weird about Nacho, because he looks town sometimes, but he's not doing anything, and he seems to be okay with lynching us. Despite a certain rather salient fuckup, I still expect him to show some pretty major doubt before scumreading me, and he's not even doing it that hard or really trying to interact with us. So, yeah, it's fair to say I have a scumread there still. I don't think Nacho town does this little in a game that appears to be this fucked.

[The Fox and the Hound]

Nacho- probably scum, I guess
Magenta- scum and not even pretending otherwise
Titan- town
Stalin- town
AP- town
CF- don't even ask me right now
JSU- probably town
RG- ???
PV- ???
PA- scum if my theory is correct, though I otherwise would put her in the vicinity of meh

[CarbonFiber]

I won't discount Magenta throwing in a bus vote on FH hoping to distance or discourage their lynch.

I think the following players are obvtown: Titan, JSU, Stalin.

That leaves 4 scum in the remaining 7 players {AP, PV, Penguin, Fox, Nacho, Magenta, RG}

RG is the one I find the towniest of the seven and leaving PV alive to confirm his role is optimal although I have concerns about him.

If we are all convinced on Magenta, it is not a bad idea to kill them first.

[Red Gyarados]

I've only read bits and pieces of this day. And although I don't want to read the entirety of it, I feel like I'm going to end up doing it because I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

It's like, Katsuki claims a straight up counter-claim towards AP's night action. AP rushes the counterwagon through and all of a sudden he's no longer eligible for a lynch? I really have to find out what kool-aid you've all been drinking. And I've seen JSU's response in thread. I don't really care. I think JSU's scum anyways. And barring AP flipping some godfather role with a night action, I'm completely okay with lynching JSU if it leads towards an AP lynch. Nacho is also an acceptable lynch for me. But I know this town won't lynch him.

Like, I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim and just let him walk away, barring some role madness nonsense like a bus driver or whatever. He's probably just scum. Like, really.

Other things on my to do list:
Figure out why Fox is getting wagoned when it was so difficult to lynch earlier (don't know what Notty's read on them is now, but last time I checked, he thought town)
Rehash my reads on PA/Falcon, I don't think both of them are scum
Hunt down my hydra partner (I've been abusing his ability to obvtown whenever he's around so it's understandable if he hates me, but I do miss him)

@Falcon: Supposedly you were interested in my Mastin read or vote or whatever before he got lynched. I don't remember ever scumreading him. I remember half this playerslist sitting on a scumread on Mastin, three slots hiding out in your neighborhood (one of which flipped town, and I think there's at least one scum [two actually] in that neighborhood), and no one else looking like a viable lynch. I wanted to lynch Nacho, but Mastin started scumreading me off of me possibly crumbing dayvig or some other shit trying to tie me to the same slot I was trying to lynch (the same wagon Mastin was sitting on). Pie (who I was townreading at the time and who I consistently butt heads with in my games) asks me to sheep him and I decide fuck it, there's a chance I'm wrong about Mastin and the rest of the day looks like a waste of time to me anyways.

I also refuse to reread this game. It's 300+ pages of walls and bullshit (which if Streetracers is any indicator of my reading speed, would take me over a week to get through each time) and I have half a mind to just fake a nervous breakdown (I actually think it could have been real, I just don't think it's indicative of town) so you'd all call me town and sheep me and believe my bullshit reads.

Also, I'd appreciate a ;tldr, but if you don't feel like giving me one, that's cool too.

That leaves 4 scum in the remaining 7 players {AP, PV, Penguin, Fox, Nacho, Magenta, RG}

RG is the one I find the towniest of the seven and leaving PV alive to confirm his role is optimal although I have concerns about him.

I'm fairly certain I'm at the lower end of the spectrum in terms of players' reads. Why do you think my slot is townier than the rest of those you listed?

My personal scumreads this game are just AP, Nacho, and JSU. Not sure who the last one is, thinking Fox or PA. I'd have to think about it.

No idea what Notty thinks. Haven't talked to him in ages. I blame finals and server downtime and me just not wanting to read this game.

[CarbonFiber]

I was about to head to bed but lying in bed, I just remembered something so I needed to come back and type it out.

Re-evaluation of reads:

Let's say one of Mastin or Rancid flipped town and called the other obvtown, then yes, I'd re-evaluate reads there and wonder if I was wrong about the other since I was wrong about one.

On the other hand, I had Mastin, Rancid, and AP as scum. Mastin and Rancid both claim that AP was the scummiest scum that ever scummed. Then they die and flip town. That only strengthened my scumread on AP not weakened it.

So, the "re-evaluate reads" mantra that Fox and the Hound are drilling into everyone just doesn't make any sense. They claim that reads ought to be re-evaluated and people are scummy for not doing so. Yet, the gamestate hasn't changed in a way (for me at least) to require re-evaluation of reads based on Mastin/Rancid townflips. Because Mastin and Rancid were hard-scumreading my remaining scumread from D1 and we know now that they are town and that their suspicion was genuine.

Pedit: getting to Brian's wall now.