Tales of You (Endgame)

[Red Gyarados]

Apparently we're voting Titan for some hard reset or whatever.

Unvote: Titan

Will read up tomorrow.

[CarbonFiber]

I've only read bits and pieces of this day. And although I don't want to read the entirety of it, I feel like I'm going to end up doing it because I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

It's like, Katsuki claims a straight up counter-claim towards AP's night action. AP rushes the counterwagon through and all of a sudden he's no longer eligible for a lynch? I really have to find out what kool-aid you've all been drinking.

And I've seen JSU's response in thread. I don't really care. I think JSU's scum anyways. And barring AP flipping some godfather role with a night action, I'm completely okay with lynching JSU if it leads towards an AP lynch. Nacho is also an acceptable lynch for me. But I know this town won't lynch him.

Like, I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim and just let him walk away, barring some role madness nonsense like a bus driver or whatever. He's probably just scum. Like, really.

Thank fucking god. Finally someone that makes sense and restored my faith in this game.

The bolded is so fucking true and if there is one person I absolutely want to lynch, it is AP. But no one else besides the two of us are going to vote him so tough luck there. We'll have to lynch other scum first.

I actually think there is a pretty damn good chance Fox and Hound are scum with AP. First they accuse me of not pushing AP hard enough going so far as to say that AP and I could be scum together. Then when I try to get their help in lynching AP, they dodge my questions saying they don't have a read on AP. Then, later on, they change their read on AP to town and claim that I am scum because I am not trying to get town-AP lynched and am not taking a leaderhip role in driving lynches. This again is bullshit because I have done so D1 and D2 and it is not like my alignment changed mid-game.

Secondly, they've been townreading me most of the game, but when I express suspicion of them, DV does a massive charade of going through all of my posts, claiming my early posts are townish, then that my later posts are scummy, and finally "concluding" from his massive amount of shit analysis that I am scum. Like, the whole thing feels so contrived and fake like pretending to be thoughtful and towny.

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, and also Muffin's flow bussing theory about Cephrir and AP re-inforces my belief in Fox/AP team besides all of their rubbish about how I am AP's buddy.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

UNVOTE:

Can I interest anyone in

VOTE: CarbonFiber

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??????

I don't like how eager he's been to get a lynch on 3 different players in rapid succession and you shouldn't either.

[Yulia Jue]

A good majority of you all have checked in. Generating votecount and re-launching deadline timer.

[Yulia Jue]

Votecount 4-8

With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to lynch or no lynch.

magenta_thegreat (2): AngryPidgeon, Just Sheep Us
CarbonFiber (3): Penguin_Alien, The Fox and the Hound, Breakfast With Stalin
The Fox and the Hound (2): PeregrineV, magenta_thegreat
Nachomamma8 (1): Titan


Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, CarbonFiber Red Gyarados

Mod Note: P_A is V/LA for a few days

Deadline has been reconstructed for the time that was remaining, rounded up.

(expired on 2014-06-03 11:59:05)

[PeregrineV]

GUYS, THERE IS LITERALLY A 2/3 CHANCE OF HITTING SCUM WITH A FOX AND HOUND LYNCH

A TOWNREAD ON TAMMY PUTS THAT TO 4/5

A TOWNREAD ON ANY OF {NACHO, RG, PENGUIN, MAGENTA} MAKES THAT 1.

TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE CIRCLEJERKING AROUND WITH TOO MANY TOWNREADS AND NOT WAGONING ANYTHING.

I HATE YOU ALL

Let me lay this out clearly:

CF is town.

p5 is town.

For either of AP or Beli to be scum, I have to be scum.

So either you're scum reading me, OR YOU NEED TO SCUMREAD 4/6 OF {Titan, Nacho, RG, Penguin, Magenta, Fox and Hound}

SO WHY IS EVERYONE IN THAT GROUP SO INTENT ON *NOT* VOTING EACH OTHER, DESPITE THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN ALLUDING TO THIS GAME STATE ALL GAME.

IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BUS, AND THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT RIGHT NOW B/C OF HOW TAMMY/AP/P5 IN PARTICULAR ARE ACTING.

It's like, the part that's infuriating isn't just the general frustration/toxicity.

It's the fact that people are holding literally logically impossible positions, and not willing to make moves off the logical conclusions they not only should be drawing, but that I've stated in thread regarding the game state over and over

unvote
vote: magenta

THIS IS THE LYNCH WE CAN BELIEVE IN DAMNIT

Seriously? You just talk me into actually sheeping you and now this?

[PeregrineV]

. Nacho is also an acceptable lynch for me.

Then vote him.

Vote: Nacho

[PeregrineV]

UNVOTE:

Can I interest anyone in

VOTE: CarbonFiber

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???

??????

I don't like how eager he's been to get a lynch on 3 different players in rapid succession and you shouldn't either.

I'm eager at this point. It's most likely MYLO, but hey, I'd rather actually lose then devolve into more scum-sponsored "open-ass-insert-head" type posting.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh

w/e

VOTE: Foxhound

Wow.

I can't come up with another way CF would do something this ridiculous as scum, so that's what I'm going with.

If you can't think of a way why I would play the way I'm playing as scum, it means I'm TOWN, you idiot.

Anyways, what hapenned to your Nacho scumread?

Wow.

I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

Well I backtracked away from it because I dont particularly feel like mislynching myself. JSU backed away from it because they either have an

innocent result

on me or are committed to faking one regardless.

I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim

Katsuki was faking a GUILTY RESULT on me. Yes I wanted to lynch that shit, are you kidding me right now? Maybe he wsa actually roleblocked, I don't know. I am 110% certain that my role succeeded and he claimed that it didn't. I even had someone external VERIFY that my role worked AND confirm my alignment. I don't know if Katsuki faked that shit or what but it needed to die.

They claim that reads ought to be re-evaluated and people are scummy for not doing so.

You are either confirmation biasing on this one (you would be scum reading me independent of anything that could have changed) or just being opportunistic. You have made one singular point (appeal to authority) to support a scumread on me and its not like that takes any effort to come up with. So no, you've never put any notable effort into reevaluating where you went wrong. Using this tiny detail as a crutch to 'counter' Fox's point (about you?) is ridiculous.

[Just Sheep Us]

And this game is back to giving me an aneurism. Thanks guys.

VOTE: Fox and Hound

AP you should join me. Magenta's bussing and everything!

[Just Sheep Us]

{magenta, foxhound, RG, penguin}

We lynch in that group.

Beli, get the fuck off the miller who knew that the other miller wasn't a miller because he was a miller.

[AngryPidgeon]

Seriously? You just talk me into actually sheeping you and now this?

Where did your magenta scumread go? I remember you trying to counterwagon Katsuki with them on D3. Or am I going foggy after the crash.

[AngryPidgeon]

I've only read bits and pieces of this day. And although I don't want to read the entirety of it, I feel like I'm going to end up doing it because I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

It's like, Katsuki claims a straight up counter-claim towards AP's night action. AP rushes the counterwagon through and all of a sudden he's no longer eligible for a lynch? I really have to find out what kool-aid you've all been drinking.

And I've seen JSU's response in thread. I don't really care. I think JSU's scum anyways. And barring AP flipping some godfather role with a night action, I'm completely okay with lynching JSU if it leads towards an AP lynch. Nacho is also an acceptable lynch for me. But I know this town won't lynch him.

Like, I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim and just let him walk away, barring some role madness nonsense like a bus driver or whatever. He's probably just scum. Like, really.

Thank fucking god. Finally someone that makes sense and restored my faith in this game.

The bolded is so fucking true and if there is one person I absolutely want to lynch, it is AP. But no one else besides the two of us are going to vote him so tough luck there. We'll have to lynch other scum first.

Ok, go ahead and ignore that RG thinks JSU is scum and keep trucking right along and sucking up to them. Lets go over what happened. RG claimed to be roleblocked. Stalin claimed to be roleblocked (and is pretty confirmed town + has a role that can be sort of verified blocked.) I get an innocent result on Stalin. JSU has CONFIRMED MY ACTION and CONFIRMED MY CLAIM. Your belief that JSU is town and I somehow am not is so mindblowingly bad I cant believe it. I had to either believe that there are (3?) Mafia Roleblockers in the game and blocked all of Stalin, RG, and Katsuki for Katsuki to somehow be telling the truth in this situation...or Katsuki was just making shit up. I KNOW my role succeeded. Katsuki was lying. You can go ahead and rectify that in your headspace somehow, but you are explicitly ignoring that I can, would, and DID do exactly what I did as town. If you think JSU is town then Katsuki is STILL confirmed roleblocked as is Stalin. So this sort of takes me back around to RG who are also claiming to have been blocked on N2. Right. Thats not suspicious at all.

I actually think there is a pretty damn good chance Fox and Hound are scum with AP. First they accuse me of not pushing AP hard enough going so far as to say that AP and I could be scum together. Then when I try to get their help in lynching AP, they dodge my questions saying they don't have a read on AP. Then, later on, they change their read on AP to town and claim that I am scum because I am not trying to get town-AP lynched and am not taking a leaderhip role in driving lynches. This again is bullshit because I have done so D1 and D2 and it is not like my alignment changed mid-game.

Lets see. Foxhound says you and I might be scum together for not pushing me hard. Now Foxhound says you and I might be scum together for not pushing me hard. Ok man. I really don't get how you can convince yourself of half the things you post.

Secondly, they've been townreading me most of the game, but when I express suspicion of them, DV does a massive charade of going through all of my posts, claiming my early posts are townish, then that my later posts are scummy, and finally "concluding" from his massive amount of shit analysis that I am scum. Like, the whole thing feels so contrived and fake like pretending to be thoughtful and towny.

This is so loaded and confirmation biasy.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I'm trying to remember exactly how I felt about everyone.

CF - miller
JSU - Even Tracker Pseudo Cop
Tammy - ???
PA - Inventor?
Magenta - softed roleblocker or something and took it back. Had that Day 1 thing.
PV - 1 shot janitor vig
Nacho - ???
Fox - ???
Stalin Amnesiac Follower / Confirmed town
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I recall thinking PA is town but not exactly why. Tammy has looked fairly town all game and stalin is confirmed.

Bot lynching any of those 3 Today.

{PV, Nacho, magenta, Fox, JSU, RG, CF}.

PV's claimed actions are still divey; need to reread, can't remember how I felt about his non-role play.
Nacho - I remember thinking something to do with his mastin interactions looked town, I think I had him leaning town?
Magenta - Sketchy claims about role, kept asking me and (Stalin?) about our actions IIRC?
Fox - Cant remember how I felt about them. Have they claimed?
JSU - Could be scum, probably not with CF? Need to evaluate that, but I recall thinking that.
CF - My god. I wish I didn't have to read about my Godfather role in every post its, v incriminating. I like it more when people just accept JSU's inno on me. Could be scum with Nacho? I remember thinking the neighborhood had some weirdness going on in it.
RG - If katsuki wasn't bullshitting, then he is the 3rd RB on N2 and the only unconfirmed one. Disliked Brian's recent wall about lynching JSU first to get to me unless Im a GF. The chronology of that was hard to follow. I remember NS coming in and calling himself town and then circlejerking around. Not sure how I feel.

I think my top priority sorts are JSU/Nacho/RG/CF.

[The Fox and the Hound]

I see CF stepping back lasted all of four seconds. Perhaps his scumbuddies reminded him he needs to lynch us today.

{magenta, foxhound, RG, penguin}

We lynch in that group.

Beli, get the fuck off the miller who knew that the other miller wasn't a miller because he was a miller.

...Or because his fakeclaim was miller.
It baffles me that this is hard for you to come up with.
I really expect you to think less linearly than you have this whole game.

[The Fox and the Hound]

We have not claimed. Claiming makes our role a lot worse.

[AngryPidgeon]

...Or because his fakeclaim was miller.
It baffles me that this is hard for you to come up with.
I really expect you to think less linearly than you have this whole game.

I brought this up and got shit on. Its not like mods do that or anything (Gay mafia).

[Just Sheep Us]

Miller fakeclaim is bad game design, and I'll have Cabd's head if he put that in this game.

[Just Sheep Us]

Miller is also a shitty role that shouldn't exist, but I digress...

[AngryPidgeon]

I hate everything.

[PeregrineV]

Ugh

w/e

VOTE: Foxhound

Wow.

I can't come up with another way CF would do something this ridiculous as scum, so that's what I'm going with.

If you can't think of a way why I would play the way I'm playing as scum, it means I'm TOWN, you idiot.

Anyways, what hapenned to your Nacho scumread?

Wow.

I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

Well I backtracked away from it because I dont particularly feel like mislynching myself. JSU backed away from it because they either have an

innocent result

on me or are committed to faking one regardless.

I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim

Katsuki was faking a GUILTY RESULT on me. Yes I wanted to lynch that shit, are you kidding me right now? Maybe he wsa actually roleblocked, I don't know. I am 110% certain that my role succeeded and he claimed that it didn't. I even had someone external VERIFY that my role worked AND confirm my alignment. I don't know if Katsuki faked that shit or what but it needed to die.

They claim that reads ought to be re-evaluated and people are scummy for not doing so.

You are either confirmation biasing on this one (you would be scum reading me independent of anything that could have changed) or just being opportunistic. You have made one singular point (appeal to authority) to support a scumread on me and its not like that takes any effort to come up with. So no, you've never put any notable effort into reevaluating where you went wrong. Using this tiny detail as a crutch to 'counter' Fox's point (about you?) is ridiculous.

Why would scum-sheep fake a guilty on you? Not mafia-thoery why, this-game-in-particular why.

Katsuki the dead town probably didn't "fake a guilty" on you.He probably delayed you last night but was probably blocked. And he didn't need to die, because now we are here with posts like this.

[PeregrineV]

Seriously? You just talk me into actually sheeping you and now this?

Where did your magenta scumread go? I remember you trying to counterwagon Katsuki with them on D3. Or am I going foggy after the crash.

Who knows? Orcinus kind of seemed town with his shit day1. Magenta seems less, and how many roles does one player have? Day1 governor plus more?

Are you asking if I'd lynch him? Yes.

[PeregrineV]

{magenta, foxhound, RG, penguin, nacho}

We lynch in that group.

Beli, get the fuck off the miller who knew that the other miller wasn't a miller because he was a miller.

Sounds good.

Vote: Nacho

[AngryPidgeon]

Why would scum-sheep fake a guilty on you? Not mafia-thoery why, this-game-in-particular why.

Scum-sheep didn't fake a guilty on me.

Assuming you meant innocent though: I don't know? If they are scum and roleblocked Katsuki then backing me up definitely encourages the me v Katsuki dichotomy.

It even gave me confidence. My ability is wacky as hell and I never got an answer from Cabd about how exactly I show up to trackers/watchers which is somewhat expected.

I can easily see scum JSU backing me when they know Katsuki is wrong because it gave me confidence and it did snowball into a Katsuki lynch. Im not trying to push all the blame for that onto them, but this has/does occur to me so Im getting it out there. If they hadn't backed me, I may have been lynched which (probably, who the hell knows?) would have ended up with Katsuki getting lynched the next Day so I can see why doing nothing is a viable scum option for them. I think BROseidon is more of a Feeling cogitator than Thinking though so I dont 100% expect him to think that through precisely like that. I think its totally plausible for him to have backed me in an effort to get Katsuki lynched and attempt to get me on his side since I've been waffling about them all game.

My primary beef with Magenta is their roleblock soft on me/Stalin and then evading talking about this after I ask them if they are softing global RB or something. And ya like you said, how many separate powers do they have?