Tales of You (Endgame)

[CarbonFiber]

You really need to take a step back, disregarding both your alignment and mine for the time being, and realize that that actually describes what you are doing perfectly

Quit pretending like you are taking some sort of high road, scumfuck. Everything you did this game is emotional blackmail, manipulation, playing the victim, and personal attacks. I'll be disappointed even if you win as scum this way because you make me sick.

[Nachomamma8]

You are seeing what you want to see. FoxHound are attacking me as well but that's okay because they are a townread and I am a scumread. They are also resorting to malicious emotional manipulation which isn't worthy of comment but me calling Ceph an idiot is. Why not just vote me and get it over with?

"malicious emotional manipulation"
cf, you're overreacting

[Titan]

WOAH.

STEP BACK AND STOP POSTING.

[Nachomamma8]

And I'm saying this as a friend and not as a player.

[CarbonFiber]

And I'm saying this as a friend and not as a player.

Telling that to me without calling Cephrir out on his crap just feels like empty words.

[Titan]

Watch this instead, the both of you, and then give each other a virtual hug...



..not gonna lie, there's a little part of me who envisions the both of you in your scum qt laughing about how mad you seem at each other.

[Nachomamma8]

My behavior towards Cephrir doesn't matter at all at this point in time.

[Titan]

cephrir is still scum

f-16 is still abusing cephrir

we need new content

[Titan]

i like the video you posted tammy!

it lacked sound though

or my speakers are broken.

[Titan]

I'm sure he means busing before that gets blown out of proportion.

[Titan]

It didn't have sound!

[Nachomamma8]

What means bussing?

[The Fox and the Hound]

Hey CF remember 169 and how scum did this exact thing to me and it worked

I think you do

[The Fox and the Hound]

You wanted a town game where I got this upset, look no further than the one you fucking played

[Titan]

In 7757, arthur said f-16 is still abusing cephrir.

I'm pretty sure he meant bussing there.

...and if he didn't, can we just pretend he did, we don't need another 100 pages on the topic.

[Titan]

i remember cephrir differently in 169

[CarbonFiber]

Hey CF remember 169 and how scum did this exact thing to me and it worked

I think you do

What did scum do to you? Try to lead a lynch on you? Well, yeah it happens. Scum and town both try to lead lynches on other players. I am not even sure how it is meaningful.

You never descended to the level of calling anyone a bully though or claim that they are harassing you.

[Titan]

i mean i think his lashing out was different and it was pretty obv he was town mid game b/c of it

[CarbonFiber]

W/e,
UNVOTE:

I don't want to lynch Fox/Hound anymore. I doubt Ceph would say what he did as scum and he actually winds up scum here, I won't be congratulating him at endgame.

[The Fox and the Hound]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5595112
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5595071

Yeah you're pretty much just wrong

W/e,
UNVOTE:

I don't want to lynch Fox/Hound anymore. I doubt Ceph would say what he did as scum and he actually winds up scum here, I won't be congratulating him at endgame.

...soooo you've been antagonizing me for no reason for the last few posts then? why do you get to change your mind at the drop of a hat again, sorry i forget amidst this game literally killing me mostly because of you

[CarbonFiber]

I'll have to double check the game where Bulbazak was pushing a lynch on him and most people were like "there is no way Ceph can do that as scum" but he was scum with Ceph in a different game and knew he could do anything so continued pushing the lynch to make sure what Cephrir is capable of. But I'll add him to the town pile with Titan, JSU, and Stalin (and conditionally Peregrine if he vigs a second player to prove that he is not a scum 1X vig). That leaves AP, Nacho, Penguin, Magenta, and maybe RG who I am reading as town. I think the first four are a good bet for the scumteam. Nacho could be bussing Orc. AP/Nacho makes a ton of sense. Penguin brushing aside her Nacho read makes sense from scum-Penguin, and Magenta's lack of paranoia over Nacho again makes sense from scumMara.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pedit: I haven't been fucking antagonizing you. I'm responding to your endless crap and bullshit that you've pulled this game.

[CarbonFiber]

Oh, and every time I see a post from you or AP, it makes me want to jump in front of oncoming traffic, so you are killing me this game. Well done!

[The Fox and the Hound]

It's not bullshit

What I meant was- how long have you been thinking I might be town and posting rage at me anyway?

Mm, that fight with Bulba was one of the most fun times I've ever had in a mafia game. I forget exactly why it was that he knew I was scum on account of being my scumbuddy in a different game, I think I was just playing the same way in both games, but I knew he knew it and I really enjoyed watching him not be able to reference the ongoing game >.>

[CarbonFiber]

I've obviously been reading and responding to your posts as you posted. I just realized now that if you were scum, this wouldn't be the way you would want to win. There were several other things you could say other than "you are harassing me," "you are a bully," and "I don't want to play with you." And I don't think that's how you would want this game to turn out. If you were scum, you would be winning anyways and the way you played (if it was deliberate) would have just been in bad taste.

[CarbonFiber]

This game is really driving me up the wall and annoying the crap out of me. It started out fine and at a slow pace and I was even reading the thread multiple times to try and develop reads. And then AngryPidgeon replaced in and everything went to shit. He started spamming up the thread with Mastin arguing endlessly inane and pointless crap and the two of them went way overboard with the spam and I lost all desire to read and re-evaluate this game because the only thing that's left is a massive pile of shit. I am dreading even going back and linking and referencing past posts. Even my readslist was crappily done with no links whereas usually I am a lot more precise with links and quotes. The behavior of other players didn't help as well. I have nothing against Mastin but she was spamming way too much along with AP making the game nearly impossible to get through. And then posting stuff like the one I pointed out to Beli which was literally manipulation in disguise. I get that Mastin is manipulative as town, she even wrote an MD article about it saying that town need to take in elements from their scumgames and I think she went way overboard and was basically playing like scum early D1. She changed it up D2 but the damage was done. Rancid didn't help either by fake-claiming our role and continuing to attack everyone pushing Mastin not to mention the constant vitriol coming out of their slot as long as they were alive. I'm just glad they were gone on D1 which is one reason I think PV could be town because if scum, there are way better targets to shoot that weren't being a distraction.

And there is AP. Spamming and manipulating every step of the way. I don't at all get the sense that he was being collaborative or helpful. He's been the least collaborative person in this game and was the main cause of me not wanting to read the game anymore whereas before his replacement, I read the game about ten times. And DV and Ceph basically acting like only scum scumread them which is downright ridiculous. I accused both them and RG of being scum. Notscience responded by offering to work with me and help me figure out the game while Ceph and DV take it basically as a personal attack to be scumread. There is still a lot of stuff that doesn't add up. The way they are buddying Titan all game and the manipulative way in which they are responding to posts and their positionality. DV's refusal to lynch Nacho, and the way they brushed AP under the rug. It just doesn't make logical sense but I'll go back to my suspicion of Cephrir in NY169 and I don't think it is alignment indicative maybe. I just don't want to believe he would act like this as scum.

Between AP and Fox, I've had it with this game. I don't feel like playing anymore and trying to get the town to fight through the apathy. Brian is right that if we continue to ignore how AP pushed Katsuki and townread him based off of a supposed "clear" without taking into consideration that Mastin called him scum, and that Katsuki caught him, and that his behavior has been scummy as all fuck, then town probably deserves to lose. I don't want to lose since I think at least some players have put in enough time and effort but I have no intention of forcing the town to win.

Anyways, here's the deal: Fox, if you are town, vote Nacho. Brian, let's push the Nacho lynch through. That will be five votes out of six. BRO, realize that Nacho is undermining you because he is scum. Beli, you are probably the remaining town in the game. I think you are wrong about Nacho.

I almost half don't want to lynch Nacho because of his posts in the neighborhood and I'll probably miss him even if he was scum but I can't let that influence my vote.