In post 7717, The Fox and the Hound wrote:If it gets closer to deadline and a CF lynch is obviously not happening then I'll settle for some other not-us lynch (Ceph can choose if this ends up being the case as I've probably embarrassed him enough with my antics), but I can dream.
What are your reads? And how do you feel about AP/JSU/Nacho?
If you want to survive, those are the alternatives I'm willing to offer you.
Yeah, I blame myself. Unless AP/JSU are scum. In which case, I'm not taking any of it.
I'd hardly consider that a chainsaw. And in his previous post, he was stating Fox as one of seven scum candidates and that he doesn't actually remember what that slot's done.
In post 7721, CarbonFiber wrote:Then do it. It'll feel awesome when we force through a scum lynch. Then I'll help you lynch Nacho. By then, people will wake up and see AP as scum so we'll lynch him too. Then we'll find the final scum.
From my point of view, there's zero reasoning telling me I should let AP live today, and conversely, reasoning that tells me he needs to die. However, I acknowledge that my vote isn't doing anything and will be voting at the end of my post.
The same person who you tried to feel-good lynch at the end of Day 1?
In the small sliver of a chance that you're town (it's very minor and <.001%), you should realize that there is very good reasoning for calling for his lynch and nothing that says he should live.
What we know:
1) Katsuki claimed town delayer
2) Katsuki claimed to have delayed AP
3) AP claimed a night action that succeeded and wasn't delayed
4) Beliffery (who was confirmed town by AP) and I (RG) claimed to have been roleblocked and share similar sentiments of how we're aware of it
5) Katsuki doesn't acknowledge anything to make him believe he was roleblocked and actually believed his role was guaranteed to have succeeded
I know for a fact that Katsuki's role didn't redirect to me. And the only reason we're even in this position we're in is because of JSU (who isn't confirmed by any means and who I actually think is probably scum). AP's defense thus far has been 'I don't know why Katsuki would lie,' which is an extremely flimsy defense in and of itself. And unless you think there's a role that interfered with Katsuki's night action to explain the discrepancy, you should feel inclined to agree with me.
In post 7743, Just Sheep Us wrote:I love how scum are winning this by doing absolutely nothing, because town refuses to work together.
I love how I am the one saying this, despite being one of the most frustrating people to work with.
I love how I've been trying to get everyone to work together, but F-16 and AP are too busy having a pissing contest to lynch their mutual scumreads.
I love how Nacho has done nothing but derail every move I've tried to make this game.
And can we go back to how much I love that the scum team is winning this by doing absolutely nothing.
Fox and Hound
Magenta
RG
Penguin
The order isn't relevant, we just have to agree on one of them.
From what I've read, you have zero paranoia about the people in your neighborhood. Your scumteam is a collection of players with little/low activity. You've spent a considerable deal defending AP since his entrance into this game (and from what I remember, you consider yourself/AP a pretty formidable force when the two of you roll scum together) for an entrance that really shouldn't have been townread. And your first and only chance to use your role thus far has been to clear AP (the same slot you've been defending all game) just because you didn't want to hear about it anymore rather than try and use your 'investigative role' to try and find scum. Your investigative action also came as a direct response towards Katsuki's CC (which I'm leaning both ways on whether this is scummy/townish).
You're not even pretending to consider that AP could just be a godfather or that just maybe, he needs to die because he's probably just scum.
It feels like you've been attempting to manipulate this playerlist, not solve the game.
In post 7770, CarbonFiber wrote:I'll have to double check the game where Bulbazak was pushing a lynch on him and most people were like "there is no way Ceph can do that as scum" but he was scum with Ceph in a different game and knew he could do anything so continued pushing the lynch to make sure what Cephrir is capable of. But I'll add him to the town pile with Titan, JSU, and Stalin (and conditionally Peregrine if he vigs a second player to prove that he is not a scum 1X vig).
That leaves AP, Nacho, Penguin, Magenta, and maybe RG who I am reading as town. I think the first four are a good bet for the scumteam.
Nacho could be bussing Orc. AP/Nacho makes a ton of sense. Penguin brushing aside her Nacho read makes sense from scum-Penguin, and Magenta's lack of paranoia over Nacho again makes sense from scumMara.
VOTE: Nachomamma8
Pedit: I haven't been fucking antagonizing you. I'm responding to your endless crap and bullshit that you've pulled this game.
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In post 7774, CarbonFiber wrote:Between AP and Fox, I've had it with this game. I don't feel like playing anymore and trying to get the town to fight through the apathy. Brian is right that if we continue to ignore how AP pushed Katsuki and townread him based off of a supposed "clear" without taking into consideration that Mastin called him scum, and that Katsuki caught him, and that his behavior has been scummy as all fuck, then town probably deserves to lose. I don't want to lose since I think at least some players have put in enough time and effort but I have no intention of forcing the town to win.
I think the important thing to realize here is that AP is probably scum and there's no logical indication of why we should be letting him live (JSU doesn't qualify).
If people think otherwise, they haven't told me why.
Vote: Nacho
Still adamantly want to lynch AP right now, and this is the discussion I want.
