Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[mastin2]

Let's try a readslist off of that, then.

vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
pirate mollie
Titus
ZZZX
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
PeregrineV
Bulbazak zabriel
beastcharizard
Bipolarchemist
Wickedestjr
Majiffy
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
MTD

Something like this.

[mastin2]

(FTR, that makes the lynch list be within {beast, Bipolar, Wicked, Majiffy, LC, MTD} for me, in that I see four of 'em being scum. Majiffy/LC/MTD are my guess for 3/4, but I'm not sure Wickedest would be the fourth. One of the more null two players could as a result be scum, but eh, cross that bridge when we come to it and all that.)

[ZZZX]

(FTR, that makes the lynch list be within {beast, Bipolar, Wicked, Majiffy, LC, MTD} for me, in that I see four of 'em being scum. Majiffy/LC/MTD are my guess for 3/4, but I'm not sure Wickedest would be the fourth. One of the more null two players could as a result be scum, but eh, cross that bridge when we come to it and all that.)

Quick question. How confident are you with your reads?

[mastin2]

I dunno, 70, 80%? It's not at "as confident as I will allow myself to be" levels, nor weak as to be "waffles everywhere"; best description I have is that I'm decently confident in them and think they're a solid starting point.

[ZZZX]

I dunno, 70, 80%? It's not at "as confident as I will allow myself to be" levels, nor weak as to be "waffles everywhere"; best description I have is that I'm decently confident in them and think they're a solid starting point.

That is good then. Coincident reads are great. I never had more than 65% confidence in my reads before. :>

[Guilty Gunsmith]

VOTE: Lying Cat

Im revising my fantasy scumteam slightly to MTD, Lying Cat, Saki, ZZZX.

I really disliked Saki swooping in to call Charizard town and therefore call doduo scum. I think Char/doduo might be town/town here.

Lets compromise lynch the cat Today.

Doduo, mastin and I are in for it and I think we're all town. Majiffy is in for it and I sort of feel good about that even if there is a chance hes bussing here.

[mastin2]

Sure.

VOTE: Lying Cat.

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Lying Cat

Im revising my fantasy scumteam slightly to MTD, Lying Cat, Saki, ZZZX.

I really disliked Saki swooping in to call Charizard town and therefore call doduo scum. I think Char/doduo might be town/town here.

Lets compromise lynch the cat Today.

Doduo, mastin and I are in for it and I think we're all town. Majiffy is in for it and I sort of feel good about that even if there is a chance hes bussing here.

You town read me in a post and scum read me in another? Weird but might be me not seeing it.


Anyway I agree about doduo being town and not sure about char.

[mastin2]

So I took the time to skim all four's iso. Wicked has a TON of interactions with all three, and all three have a ton of interactions with one another, in particular Wicked. And I also found this:

Vote Count 1.2

Bipolarchemist - 1 (PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 2 (Titus, mastin2)
Lying Cat - 2 (ZZZX, Guilty Gunsmith)
mastin2 - 1 (Perpetual Nonsense)
MTD - 1 (Wickedestjr)
Titus - 1 (pirate mollie)
Wickedestjr - 5 (vezokpiraka, Doduo, Lying Cat, Majiffy, MTD)
Not Voting: beastcharizard, Bipolarchemist, Speedy Saki, zabriel

I don't think it's coincidental that all three of LC, Majiffy, and MTD are here like that. More than that, while this should logically make me think Wicked is town, I also happen to not think so and that this is all three scumbuddies piling on, either just for the heck of it or because they figured Wicked was their weakest link.

[mastin2]

While we're doing VCA......

Vote Count 1.4

Bipolarchemist - 1 (PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (Titus)
mastin2 - 2 (Perpetual Nonsense, MTD)
MTD - 5 (Wickedestjr, Speedy Saki, Guilty Gunsmith, vezokpiraka, mastin2)
Titus - 1 (pirate mollie)
Wickedestjr - 3 (Doduo, Lying Cat, Majiffy)
Not Voting: beastcharizard, Bipolarchemist, zabriel, ZZZX

Note the MTD wagon forming. Wicked was on it at the beginning, when MTD was in no danger. Yet now, he was.

Vote Count 1.5

Bipolarchemist - 1 (PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (Titus)
mastin2 - 4 (Perpetual Nonsense, MTD, Majiffy, Wickedestjr)
MTD - 4 (Speedy Saki, Guilty Gunsmith, vezokpiraka, mastin2)
Titus - 1 (pirate mollie)
Wickedestjr - 2 (Doduo, Lying Cat)
Not Voting: beastcharizard, Bipolarchemist, zabriel, ZZZX

And then a wagon forms on me, with Majiffy there and Wicked having switched off of MTD onto me.

The crash interrupted things, but when Lying Cat returned, we get this.

I'm a day neighborizer. I day neighborized all of you. The qt can be found at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5911804
Also, we, the hydra, need to discuss reads, but I distinctly remember mastin and GG being our strongest reads. Mastina is scum, GG is town.

Also calling me scum.

[mastin2]

So...I guess it actually

could

be all four of them.
Eh, probs-not since the days of Mastin catching the entire scumteam on D1 have long-since passed, but it's my best guess right now.

[PeregrineV]

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

Errrr reverse that.

~Noted. This is the same type of metal mistake I make as scum.

VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith

Do you want to drink with me? I got plenty of alcohol. Or are you content being scum?

Majiffy, stop policy lynching and help me lynch scum. I think Doduo has a post restriction.

Doduo's probably just living in the moment because our last organic chemistry was straight-forward wrt setup.

Also, nothing in your post makes me lean scum, which is good. Your vote doesn't make sense, since I don't think Gunsmith made any mental mistake either, right? This isn't a complicated game. I'm sure glad we don't have to memorize anything for a chem test, or do a post-lab and pre-lab

has this been linked to already? wont read right away but would like for later.

[PeregrineV]

I'm typing with one hand

This needs to be in the official smiley collection.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

So...I guess it actually

could

be all four of them.
Eh, probs-not since the days of Mastin catching the entire scumteam on D1 have long-since passed, but it's my best guess right now.

Not to discredit you or anything, but I think you are off the wagon.

While what you are presenting looks logical, I just disagree with it for a few reasons.

I don't see how you are concluding that Majiffy, LC, and MTD are all scum together for being on the Wicked wagon. Its a bit early in the game for scum to be interested in tactical counterwagoning/bussing. I guess its possible they decided to go for epic distancing, but I dont see how this conclusion is particularly likely.

MTD - 5 (Wickedestjr, Speedy Saki,

Guilty Gunsmith, vezokpiraka,

mastin2

)
If Wicked flips town, can I hve your axe for Saki?

Also note that Saki is currently posturing on Doduo and encouraging focus on the Char v Doduo situation.
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mastin2 - 4 (Perpetual Nonsense, MTD, Majiffy, Wickedestjr)
All scum bussing WickedDest for fun? Plausible.
All scum then counterwagoning Mastin2 for the dunk? Bzzzt. Nope. Not happening. You dont just orchestrate an elaborate distacning act then hop off it and all counterwagon town together with zero drama.

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PN/Vezok, do you guys have Day talk?

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More LC votes please ^^.
Lets make this a thing.
Mastin I think we should work to sorting out Majiffy, but not Today. Over night or Tomorrow. If he IS scum, hes still helping us lynch LC and I want to give him a chance. I like most of his scumreads too much right now. (Except the one on doduo, that one is just wrong but I could see Majiffy misreading it).

[mastin2]

I don't see how you are concluding that Majiffy, LC, and MTD are all scum together for being on the Wicked wagon.

Actually, it's the other way around, me concluding that Wicked's more likely scum for Majiffy, LC, and MTD all being on the wagon like that. And as I said, it's not just VCA. Do a triple-iso of the three, and an iso of Wicked. (Or a couple of dual-isos. Point is, read all four of 'em together.) Their interactions seem...well, awfully buddy-buddy, in a scum-attempting-to-not-look-buddy-buddy kind of way.

I guess its possible they decided to go for epic distancing, but I dont see how this conclusion is particularly likely.

Thus why I'm probably wrong, but I don't have any better ideas.

If Wicked flips town, can I hve your axe for Saki?

Only if MTD also flipped town, and even then that'd be an iffy commitment. Maybe a knife instead of an ax?

All scum bussing WickedDest for fun? Plausible.
All scum then counterwagoning Mastin2 for the dunk? Bzzzt. Nope. Not happening. You dont just orchestrate an elaborate distacning act then hop off it and all counterwagon town together with zero drama.

I don't see why not. I mean, I can def see not agreeing and thinking it implausible (it is, it's just that it's the best guess I've got), but impossible? Nah.

Mastin I think we should work to sorting out Majiffy, but not Today. Over night or Tomorrow. If he IS scum, hes still helping us lynch LC and I want to give him a chance.

Well, yeah. That goes without saying.

[mastin2]

Oh, heck with it.
I know there's a wagon there already, but I feel like voting there anyway.
VOTE: MTD.

Thanks for confirming my scumread on you.
VOTE: Mastin

Unvote. Vote: mastin2

I mean...

You have to admit.

It is kinda uncanny that the minute I vote for MTD, both Majiffy and Wicked switch onto me to essentially single-handedly create an MTD counterwagon.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: LC

Mastin continues to obvscum ITT but whatever be blind to it.

[MTD]

hum.
So I am pretty much read up I guess, I don't remember any questions directed at me, so if there were any can you ask them again pls? thxalot.

I am not really opposed to a LC wagon, and since that seems to be a thing right now


Majiffy

might

actually be scum for buddying me early on when there wasn't much resourceful stuff from me.
If so, mastin would be town.

I

can

see this as town mastin by now, the reads are thought through, she is hunting off the forming of the wagons which seems quite typical.
UNVOTE:
Wicked is town, though.

I am unsure why she suddenly prefers a LC-lynch to me, though.

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

I am not really liking Titus, though that's more early than recent game, the more recent posts were decent.

[MTD]

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Cut this line, I drafted this while reading and forgot to drop it after the mason claim.

[MTD]

VOTE: LC

mostly for lack of a better idea. And because they are scum of course.

[Guilty Gunsmith]

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Oh sorry, you already used that lifeline. You can phone a friend or use your 50-50

Open up your eyes
You must be blind
If you can't see
The gaping hole
Called reality
(Wanna do it again. I gonna gonna do it again. I wanna do it again. Come on.)

[Snork]

I'm masons with AP.

[MTD]

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Oh sorry, you already used that lifeline. You can phone a friend or use your 50-50

Open up your eyes
You must be blind
If you can't see
The gaping hole
Called reality
(Wanna do it again. I gonna gonna do it again. I wanna do it again. Come on.)

It is possible I am just blind, but I don't really see why vezok is s'posed to be so town, but I'll trust the majority on that one I guess.

Cut this line, I drafted this while reading and forgot to drop it after the mason claim.

[PeregrineV]

OK, caught up. This hopefully means I will remain so.

Not willing to lynch today:

Majiffy
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)

Willing to lynch today:

Bipolarchemist
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
ZZZX
mastin2
MTD
pirate mollie
Bulbazak zabriel
Wickedestjr
beastcharizard

[PeregrineV]

And my vote is good for now.