League of Legends (Old)

[DeathNote]

Zigs is only fun because you can push your teammates into the enemy

[Saki]

I come out 8-2 and Lucian comes out 3-5 out of lane with him being 40 cs behind and enemy zed and gragas are both legendary gg

[RayFrost]

If only you were playing a real adc you mighta been able to snowball properly.

This is a joke about quinn never being played.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

The reason not to play quinn is the same reason not to play karma in mid.

Well, that and the massive amount of bugs. I think riot needs to either rework quinn or just fix the bugs. Because she doesn't fit with the no randomness policy they seem to be going with.

[Iecerint]

The reason not to play quinn is the same reason not to play karma in mid.

Huh.

[Glork]

Fun facts: I'm defeated in both One for All Modes, as well as in URF, and in teambuilder queue (when it was separate from regular normals).

That said, I've played a grand total of like six games across those formats. :3

[MrZepher]

Karma mid is fine. Really powerful counter pick to zone mages and heavy burst.
also has waveclear.

standard "idk how to play it so it must be bad" opinion.

[Saki]

If only you were playing a real adc you mighta been able to snowball properly.

This is a joke about quinn never being played.

idk any adc that can survive a 7-0 zed's burst when their support fucking runs and chases the enemy team instead of peeling

and the entire point of quinn is build a snowball lead, kill the enemy adc outright with reqr at level 6, then kill bot turret and deny/roam as much as possible

there is no adc that snowballs harder than quinn but you know, it's kinda hard to snowball when enemy gragas and enemy zed are both legendary and enemy pantheon has 5 kills under his belt because the rest of your team are idiots

[Saki]

Well, that and the massive amount of bugs. I think riot needs to either rework quinn or just fix the bugs. Because she doesn't fit with the no randomness policy they seem to be going with.

She has a lot of random bugs like the blind not working in certain situations or Vault in human form not properly following flash/blinks, not properly marking target with harrier, not sending you over walls when it's supposed to and sending you over walls when it's not supposed to
but it's all really something you can play around since she can pretty much outtrade and outduel anything she finds in botlane and probably in the rest of the game as well

[Saki]

The reason not to play quinn is the same reason not to play karma in mid.

Huh.

because both are played quite often and they both do very well quite often.

[RayFrost]

You and a guy I know that named himself "phoenix quinn" are the only quinn players I have seen since quinn's release.

Said guy was bronze 4 last season and hasn't played this season at all.

[MrZepher]

Quinn has seen LCS play.

obviously she's viable.

[MrZepher]

that was semi-sarcastic btw

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

So has karma mid. Once or twice. And it won a couple of those games, which I doubt quinn has.

And zepher, I <3 both karma and quinn. My current mid champion that I do basically every time in mid IS karma.

What I was saying is that they both have their power spikes in the early-game. Quinn's kit lategame is that of an assassin, not an adc. Most of being an adc is your items and basic attacks, sure, but she has almost no skills to go with being an adc at all.

Karma? She doesn't have a proper ult at level 6. She's not an outright burster in teamfights. She doesn't really do enormous amounts of cc. She's not urgot levels of bad late, but she's not amazing.

But power-spikes in earlygame is amazing for solo Q.

[Saki]

Quinn's kit lategame is that of an assassin, not an adc. Most of being an adc is your items and basic attacks, sure, but she has almost no skills to go with being an adc at all.

Vault can be used defensively to kite in human form.
Hitting a marked target with maxed Heightened Senses gives +40% AS/+60 MS, and marks happen every three seconds AND on vault hit as well as that huge bonus damage. This is strong and has very nice uptime during teamfights and even among ADCs this is a really nice AA steroid.
Her passive, Q, and second cast R all scale off AD really well.

So what about her isn't suited to be an ADC?

Short AA range?
At 525 range it's longer than Sivir.

And only 25 shorter than Draven, Lucian, Twitch, and Vayne.

And she has a skill called Vault which has 700 range, delivers a mini-knock up, and places you at AA range with the enemy champion and delivers a passive-enhanced AA.

...

[Iecerint]

I didn't know she got an AS steroid like that. Good for her.

[bv310]

The problem is you're targetable when you're Vaulting, meaning any competent Support should be able to CC you in some way when you try to kite with it.

[Glork]

I still think Quinn is semi-viable as a top laner. She has an escape, can deny CS, can chase, and her stats aren't terrible if she goes with a hybrid-fighter build.

I don't think she *should* be an ADC. I think Riot ought to embrace her potential as a top lane bruiser/fighter, and rework her with that direction in mind.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay, yeah. I overstated that. Sorry.

I didn't really mean she is unable to function as a lategame ADC (like eg, urgot). Just that pretty much all the alternatives were better at equal footing. And yeah, I forgot about her W passive. (And probably overthought the importance of an ult to an adcs kit lol).

But um yeah, her kit is decent for an adc late-game, but like, what does she do that other adcs don't do?
Vayne, Tristana, Twitch, Jinx, Kog'maw have way more hypercarry crap than Quinn.
Corki, Graves, Ez, Ashe, Varus, MF and Sivir are about their skills more than their basic attacks, which you can't really say for an ADC Quinn.
Cait is also somewhat strong early and she's a lot safer late.
Lucian... I don't actually know crap about how Lucian works and I really need to rectify that. I think he's pretty strong early, though.

She's an AA adc lategame or not an ADC, and I forgot about her steroid. So, um, yeah.

PEdit: Quinn is TOTALLY a mid assassin. She goes in, she nukes the enemy adc then you fight with 2 adc vs 0. She definitely does need a rework though. Or at least a massive bug-fix.

[BROseidon]

Urgot isn't an ADC.

He's an anti-ADC, which is weak in a meta where ADCs are generally not the high points of team fights.

[animorpherv1]

Lucian... I don't actually know crap about how Lucian works and I really need to rectify that. I think he's pretty strong early, though.

Lucian is strong throughout the game, and has a nice burst combo, as well as a strogn mix between ability and aa damage.

[pickemgenius]

yo quinns scaling fucking sucks shit.

the best part of her kit is her unreliable fucking passive which is pretty neat at 210 base bonus dmg plus .5 bonus ad. but then again that shit is unreliable as fuck yo aside from vaulting off targets. thats neat I guess. Oh and the passive is DOWN when in BIRD FORM. woo!

I guess 0.65 bonus ad ratio is now considered good?? although blind is kinda good.

fucking ya right bruh.

quinns ult AT MAX damage give AT MOST a +1.0 Bonus AD scaling damage increase.

so wherever these awesome scaling abilities are at holla!


tl;dr quinn fucking sucks as an adc go play her top lane or some shit.

[Saki]

The problem is you're targetable when you're Vaulting, meaning any competent Support should be able to CC you in some way when you try to kite with it.

Is this in a teamfight context or a lane skirmish context?

In lane, why would you engage in a skirmish without knowing whether or not their support has their cc or is in position to cc you? That's stupid. Utterly stupid. Even more stupid when you decide to Vault something like a full hp Alistar or Blitzcrank that can interrupt your vault and leave you in melee range of them in which case you are horribly screwed and are a really bad Quinn.
In a teamfight why would you vault into cc? You should either save vault for the bruiser that's going to dive you (*cough* kha, noc, panth, shyvana *cough*) or use it to burst down a squishy target quickly.

I still think Quinn is semi-viable as a top laner. She has an escape, can deny CS, can chase, and her stats aren't terrible if she goes with a hybrid-fighter build.

I don't think she *should* be an ADC. I think Riot ought to embrace her potential as a top lane bruiser/fighter, and rework her with that direction in mind.

Quinn top plays like Vayne/Teemo top. Don't go hybrid-fighter, pick up Triforce and boots with Furor and kite hard.

No, she's in a good place. She's versatile and has a lot of playstyle choices you can make, and it makes playing her enjoyable.

But um yeah, her kit is decent for an adc late-game, but like, what does she do that other adcs don't do?

Dominate lane extremely hard and snowball that advantage for a game win without breaking a sweat.

Vayne, Tristana, Twitch, Jinx, Kog'maw have way more hypercarry crap than Quinn.

Twitch, Jinx, and Koggy all die in situations that Quinn doesn't.
It's harder to get Vayne and Tristana rolling than Quinn.

Corki, Graves, Ez, Ashe, Varus, MF and Sivir are about their skills more than their basic attacks, which you can't really say for an ADC Quinn.
Cait is also somewhat strong early and she's a lot safer late.

Quinn's skills outscale every single champion mentioned above. Tag Team's second activation does as much damage as Wind Slash.
Quinn is safer than Cait. Can you kite and kill a bruiser on a Caitlyn? No you can't. Not without help.

Quinn is TOTALLY a mid assassin. She goes in, she nukes the enemy adc then you fight with 2 adc vs 0. She definitely does need a rework though. Or at least a massive bug-fix.

Her R-E-Q-(AA)-R combo is very high burst.
And very dangerous because you're a Zed with no second tap on R with your W on CD.
Her being an assassin is totally situational.

[FakeGod]

Saki, can you give me advice on how to build Veigar?

[Saki]

yo quinns scaling fucking sucks shit.

the best part of her kit is her unreliable fucking passive which is pretty neat at 210 base bonus dmg plus .5 bonus ad. but then again that shit is unreliable as fuck yo aside from vaulting off targets. thats neat I guess. Oh and the passive is DOWN when in BIRD FORM. woo!

I guess 0.65 bonus ad ratio is now considered good?? although blind is kinda good.

fucking ya right bruh.

quinns ult AT MAX damage give AT MOST a +1.0 Bonus AD scaling damage increase.

so wherever these awesome scaling abilities are at holla!


tl;dr quinn fucking sucks as an adc go play her top lane or some shit.

I think you're pretty fucking stupid to say this because the passive IS reliable.
It priorities nearest targets, and low hp targets, prioritizing champions over minions, and gives priority over all to the last champion you autoattacked. Do at least read something about it before you start spouting fucking bullshit you fucking cunt.

It's also a +60MS/+40% AS AUTOATTACK STEROID, THAT IS GOING TO HELP HER SCALING AS AN ADC IMMENSELY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN SAYING

.65 AD on Q, let's assume you'll be ulting them at low hp like you fucking should be with about a .80 AD ratio, let's assume 2 passive hits for a .5 AD ratio x2, AND the extra autoattacks you'll be landing because of her amazing AS steriod.

You think that's "fucking horrible scaling for an adc"?

You're utterly fucking stupid