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[mastin2]

The thing is you're a fuckload better at explaining yourself than you give yourself credit for.

Note that here I'm not refusing to explain or saying I can't explain. I'm

slacking off

on explaining.

You laid down reads with little reasoning (which you seem to have run with unless it's been a hallmark) but they were inherently explicable. You were open and offered to explain.

Trends that I have shown this game

.

You can lay down reads and I can have an affinity with them. We didn't talk a hell of a lot in the hydra QT, but it didn't matter, like at all. We looked at very similar things being scumtells, or scum indicators.

(Why talah's reads being out of synch with mine sets off red flags. I laid the foundation. Talah didn't pick up on it, he flat-out rejected it.)

So when you entered this game I expected to *understand where you were coming from* and I just didn't this game.

And this is me, this game, with talah.

My response?

You're actually hitting on the same notes that the players that successfully read me do. I don't think you've quite got the grasp on it yet (meaning in future games, it'll be possible you'll misread me), but I think you're actually really, really close to it (meaning in future games, it won't be PROBABLE you'll misread me ).
I'd be interested in testing that out a bit. See if you can join the ranks of the holy-few-who-never-misread-me. Of which, there are basically only a handful. (Less, actually. AP/zMuffinman are again the only two that I recall off the top of my head, though I do think there are others.)

(Okay, I remember there being a longer conversation than that, but still, shows what I mean.)

[Antihero]

"you dare have the audacity to think i am scum!!????" hey hey hey hey it just sounds like you are ignoring peoples' reasons for voting you and just attacking them blindly because of the vote. and ignoring why you're scummy is not a defense at all

UNVOTE:
VOTE: necro

well, jeez, if anyone actually gave a reason as to why we're scummy, then there'd be something to talk about

[mastin2]

mastin why am i hilariously town again

Because your posting is insanely town?
You're obvtownning the place up.

All your posting is ridiculously town.

[Doublade]

nacho and tso haven't posted and yet you call them town

it's almost like everyone not voting you is town

and everyone voting you is scum

and you actually addressed it as a valid idea in one of your vc quoting posts

i really don't think you would even consider this as a viable option if you were town. it's just ridiculous and incredibly egocentric and does not fit at all the whole mastin-as-town-is-logical thing and instead just looks like you're scum scrambling or forming these "scumreads" for the heck of it

[Doublade]

[marquis]

[mastin2]

"you dare have the audacity to think i am scum!!????"

Nobutyes. (Or yesbutno? Line's kinda blurred in this case.) Random players thinking I'm scum, not raising my eyebrow.

talah

saying I'm scum,

especially

given our history? Heck yes, when I see that, I'm going to instantly know that something's off.

it just sounds like you are ignoring peoples' reasons for voting you

Except I haven't?

and just attacking them blindly because of the vote.

Except I'm explicitly scumhunting players on the wagon and analyzing them to try and find scum?

For instance, my read on you isn't dropping because of your vote; it's actually strengthened.

[Doublade]

i am flattered

but in terms of buddying you sound even worse than xayzeck (((

[marquis]

[TiphaineDeath]

So much meta argumenting... My head hurts....

You people are bad and you should feel bad.

[mastin2]

nacho and tso haven't posted and yet you call them town

Yep! I told you before, I'm psychic. Shiny Hygedrion was a townread before they posted, and when they posted, continued being a townread.

it's almost like everyone not voting you is town

Nope! Quite explicitly, I've had ~8 players outside my wagon that I was wondering about. In fact, a fair number of them jumped onto my wagon

after

I was suspicious of them. Not vice-versa.

and everyone voting you is scum

Not everyone, just the majority. Mastinwagons are never good wagons. Well, I suppose they are, but only in the sense that they generate a ton of info in a ridiculously short timeframe, but other than that, not really, 'specially not if they go to a lynch. (ScuMastin never gets lynch without her consent, pretty much.)

It's not an ego if it has

backing

.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

eh, I have tried pulling things from reading past games and I do not do a good job of reading those differences. I am more of what is going on in the moment and other stuff which is the tools used where I have played many many games. I cannot shake what do and I cannot do what others. So pointing me to completed games is all nice and shiny. And that being said, it really has nothing to do with games with you as a hydra with mastin which is a completely added dynamic and brand spanking new.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

Not everyone, just the majority. Mastinwagons are never good wagons. Well, I suppose they are, but only in the sense that they generate a ton of info in a ridiculously short timeframe, but other than that, not really, 'specially not if they go to a lynch. (ScuMastin never gets lynch without her consent, pretty much.)It's not an ego if it has backing.

funny the one game I saw a mastin game, it was a good idea... as you were scum... lol.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

It's not an ego if it has backing.

careful your arrogance is showing

[PeregrineV]

i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

I see you draw scum a lot and win as scum a lot. So in other words you are very dangerous and probably very good and convincing others that you are not scum. So actually I prefer picking at mastin, you won't give me much to work off.

everyone wins as scum a lot, that's the nature of this game. and it's not because i take people for a ride; it's because in those games, town was foolish enough to pretty much give me the game even though i was obvscum.

3 most recent scumgames
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=31479
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32351
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=31754

Any Large theme or Large normals?

[Antihero]

one of them is a large normal (picking simplicity) that was in central park

[Antihero]

it's actually the first link

[Fear]

VOTE: necro

for empty reads, hollow posts with extraneous info, engaging in pointless arguments, but most importantly, for thread cleaniness

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

i love the meta-readers on mastin who blissfully ignore my meta-readers.

I see you draw scum a lot and win as scum a lot. So in other words you are very dangerous and probably very good and convincing others that you are not scum. So actually I prefer picking at mastin, you won't give me much to work off.

everyone wins as scum a lot, that's the nature of this game. and it's not because i take people for a ride; it's because in those games, town was foolish enough to pretty much give me the game even though i was obvscum.

3 most recent scumgames
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=31479
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32351
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=31754

oh and those were 2 micro games and 1 open game that you replaced out of. Not a worthwhile or applicable set of information if I was looking. 1 game you lurked, 1 game you had a gambit that worked. Points to you being dangerous and not one I am going to pull something directly useful out of.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

one of them is a large normal (picking simplicity) that was in central park

which you replaced out of...

[Doublade]

i actually have no problems with this being today's lynch. if the first big wagon could actually be the lynch wagon for once before i get lost in a bunch of tldr pages and posts that'd be cool

[marquis]

[Antihero]

i didn't actually replace out. i got lynched before then.

[Antihero]

oh and those were 2 micro games and 1 open game that you replaced out of. Not a worthwhile or applicable set of information if I was looking. 1 game you lurked, 1 game you had a gambit that worked. Points to you being dangerous and not one I am going to pull something directly useful out of.

they don't feed your confirmation bias, and therefore you discard them? even though what i linked represents the entirety of my body of meta?

is this a fucking joke?

[Antihero]

VOTE: necro

for empty reads, hollow posts with extraneous info, engaging in pointless arguments, but most importantly, for thread cleaniness

^scum

parroting hollow talking points and advocating a policy lynch

[Fear]

antihero please

just accept your fate

[mastin2]

careful your arrogance is showing

Little bit, yeah.
Doesn't make my statement any less true.

VOTE: necro
for empty reads, hollow posts with extraneous info, engaging in pointless arguments, but most importantly, for thread cleaniness

See this? This is what I was talking about.

I suspected Fear

first

, thankyouverymuch. (Okay. Not suspected. Had in dead-null, but given my other reads, close enough.)

This post is, ironically enough, hollow with extraneous info, from a slot that has given basically empty reads and hasn't engaged in pretty much any arguments at all.
(Not necessarily scum. But certainly not a townread.)

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

oh and those were 2 micro games and 1 open game that you replaced out of. Not a worthwhile or applicable set of information if I was looking. 1 game you lurked, 1 game you had a gambit that worked. Points to you being dangerous and not one I am going to pull something directly useful out of.

they don't feed your confirmation bias, and therefore you discard them? even though what i linked represents the entirety of my body of meta?

is this a fucking joke?

I don't have a confirmation bias as I am not looking at anything to confirm, other than you would be dangerous as scum and not likely to get the type of reactions that would be helpful for me. You suddenly throw out confirmation bias. The 3 games you linked is the entire body of your meta... you have other games, so that is not true. A micro game dynamic is a lot different as there is little room and things go quickly one way or another. No valuable information or reactions can be noted in a game you replaced out of. Now that was if I was any good at comparing behaviors in current and past games. You brought those games up for a reason and claiming it as sole meta is odd. Maybe I was wrong about getting useful reactions from you vs mastin after all.