Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Xayzeck]

xay's posts to me have a tone of trying to sort things out and sharing opinions

*looks at 461*

But I appreciate the compliment nonetheless

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

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Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (0):
Saki (2): ZZZX, Dry-fit
ZZZX (0):
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (0):
Zdenek (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Nachomamma8 (0):
TSO (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (1): TheNecromancers
Xayzeck (3): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath
TheNecromancers (8): Jordan_Downey, Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Aegor, Doublade, Fear
Fear (1): Spring Starflower
Jordan_Downey (1): Shiny Hydreigon
Aegor (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (3): Nachomamma8, TSO, RachMarie

It is day 1. With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, June 15 at 2:00am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-15 02:00:00).

[Xayzeck]

Haha bulba I stole your top

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

Mastin's thought process is readily followable, he seems perfectly willing to engage, and has been giving reads I understand and often agree with. He hasn't yet done anything that particularly pinged my scumdar.

nothing of what you point out there is inherently scum or town. It can easily be done evasively.

as to your antihero comment- so what you are saying is that the reaction seems genuine and townish. that could be more a town swing. I am waiting to see more as there seemed to be some evasion to me as well.

Forgive me if I do not have a lot of faith in your perspective. I have not seen you do well and seen you suckered in past by someone that appeared 1000% scum and was. Again, that was past this is now. I am wading my way around here.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

xay's posts to me have a tone of trying to sort things out and sharing opinions

*looks at 461*

But I appreciate the compliment nonetheless

not really a compliment but a sorting out... now perhaps you are so good at appearing the way you are to be able to pull it off as scum, I don't know, I just go by my gut response here.

[Xayzeck]

Nope, im admittedly more proper when scum

With the exception of Farmer's Market, but I replaced into mylo and it was fairly short

Meh, self meta doesnt mean much anyway

[Antihero]

Mastin's thought process is readily followable, he seems perfectly willing to engage, and has been giving reads I understand and often agree with. He hasn't yet done anything that particularly pinged my scumdar.

nothing of what you point out there is inherently scum or town. It can easily be done evasively.

as to your antihero comment- so what you are saying is that the reaction seems genuine and townish. that could be more a town swing. I am waiting to see more as there seemed to be some evasion to me as well.

Forgive me if I do not have a lot of faith in your perspective. I have not seen you do well and seen you suckered in past by someone that appeared 1000% scum and was. Again, that was past this is now. I am wading my way around here.

dismissal by appeal to proficiency
you've reached the zenith of confbias

[Antihero]

seriously

"you suck so i'm not going to listen to you"

and

mastin

is the arrogant one here?

p.s. - oh, and just because you said it in a more passive-aggressive way doesn't mean i'm strawmanning you, because i know you're going to accuse me of that

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

appeal to proficiency

appeal to proficiency. Sorry it is not an appeal, it is a discussion. If you want to engage in the logical evaluation of my comment.

My experience with TD indicated poor reads and poor play
My Experience with TD indicated was easily suckered
My premise is that TD takes null behavior and views such behavior as town or scummy
He then proceeds to view things from that filter...
therefore my trust and observation is not trust TD's perspective until demonstrated. Now how that fits your so called "appeal to proficiency" would be interesting.

FYI, just when I am on the verge of reconsidering and closing the book, you come out with such a post.

And you also like to throw out "Confirmation bias" some more, is that like your favorite defense. Please indicate how I am only viewing one side of the facts. My reaction to TD's comments? They are what they are. I have not made a conclusion other than it is worth my while to explore your interactions and seen enough to have me vote you and nothing has cleared my suspicion. You act as if I have a set mind here and that I am proclaiming like others might to lynch you as scum or else. Not what is going on here at all. The minute though I start to consider in my mind setting things aside, Antihero, you come and post stuff like that. What is a guy to do?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

seriously

"you suck so i'm not going to listen to you"

and

mastin

is the arrogant one here?

p.s. - oh, and just because you said it in a more passive-aggressive way doesn't mean i'm strawmanning you, because i know you're going to accuse me of that

no that was not strawmanning. That is calling me to carpet on a tone. I have a bad experience in a game with TD, it is what it is. I don't pussy foot around and I would say I was rather direct in my comment about it and not sly or underhanded, passive aggressive response, rather straight to the point.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

seriously

"you suck so i'm not going to listen to you"

and

mastin

is the arrogant one here?

p.s. - oh, and just because you said it in a more passive-aggressive way doesn't mean i'm strawmanning you, because i know you're going to accuse me of that

arrogance is being better than everyone. For this culture, I am not. Yet, pointing out an experience where that gives me little faith, is simply that. Having little faith in someone can be an error and having too much faith. My point to TD is that as town (and right now am reading TD as town) it is easy to place faith in things that mean little, like what happened before and to look askew at things that are null. I am sure TD probably has had better games. In general my games here have not been brilliant. I fully recognize I am different and trying really hard to not be an arrogant ass. Yet, when I get aggressive and reactive certainly the arrogant ass side of me can come out.

[Antihero]

is your sample size one game?

...

you know what i'm going to tell you next, right?

[Metal Sonic]

I'm reasonably certain it's dumb and scum actually.

you cant have both. if that was the case, then he would have been wagoned out of town already. but he isn't.


im leaning towards dumb actually...

[Aegor]

if only i had a million vig kills for this

So much meta argumenting... My head hurts....

You people are bad and you should feel bad.

+1000000


I really want Necro to die. If they are scum, I would consider that the cherry on top. No one else has done anything interesting. Xay may be scum. Dry-fit is also definitely scum, but the Necro hydra must return to the dead.

[Antihero]

I'm reasonably certain it's dumb and scum actually.

you cant have both. if that was the case, then he would have been wagoned out of town already. but he isn't.


im leaning towards dumb actually...

i don't really know any of them except Jingle, and he's definitely not dumb.

[Metal Sonic]

jordan makes terribly scummy posts lol

we'll flip him in a later point in time

[Antihero]

I really want Necro to die. If they are scum, I would consider that the cherry on top. No one else has done anything interesting. Xay may be scum. Dry-fit is also definitely scum, but the Necro hydra must return to the dead.

replace out.

[Metal Sonic]

I'm reasonably certain it's dumb and scum actually.

you cant have both. if that was the case, then he would have been wagoned out of town already. but he isn't.


im leaning towards dumb actually...

i don't really know any of them except Jingle, and he's definitely not dumb.

the player in question is xayzeck

[Antihero]

i'm serious.

you don't get to join a game knowing full well there are hydras and then policy lynch.

we were first. replace out.

[Bulbazak]

Nobody else has special circumstances like Necromancers, so if you hydra slip, please quote your slipped post as your hydra.

[Metal Sonic]

is that against the rules to ask someone to replace out?

i got a warning in a game for saying that not too long ago

[Spring Starflower]

I'm reasonably certain it's dumb and scum actually.

you cant have both. if that was the case, then he would have been wagoned out of town already. but he isn't.


im leaning towards dumb actually...

jordan makes terribly scummy posts lol

we'll flip him in a later point in time

I'm reasonably certain it's dumb and scum actually.

you cant have both. if that was the case, then he would have been wagoned out of town already. but he isn't.


im leaning towards dumb actually...

i don't really know any of them except Jingle, and he's definitely not dumb.

the player in question is xayzeck

is that against the rules to ask someone to replace out?

i got a warning in a game for saying that not too long ago

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

is your sample size one game?

...

you know what i'm going to tell you next, right?

But for me, an intuitive type, is not about sample size. Every game is its own sample, and this is an entirely different game, with different responses. My sample size of TD is one game to my knowledge, yes. The behavior fits that previous game and seems on par. Thus the town read at this point for me. I can be fooled. Experience builds, yes. Now you are pointing sample size and you pointed to 3 recent games, one where lynched when asked to be replaced out, and 2 micros.

So, let me ask you this Anti- you have a sample size of me of zero completed games. Mastin has a sample size of 1 completed game. Yet, that was enough to proclaim a read without anything behind it? Hell, mastin probably did not even attend to me in that one game. Can one only have reads or reaction to folks if one has extended sample sizes? No, I don't think so. We all have experiences. the experiences shape our decisions whether the are sound or not. Now, as far as TD goes, probably the null behaviors TD looks at has resulted in scum, so reinforces that behavior as being "Scummy" as a scum was found based on that behavior in past. So then the behavior is repeated and intermittently reinforced. Making it hard to shake.

[TiphaineDeath]

He can totally be dumb and scum, and he is getting wagoned on, right now. See, watch, I'm wagoning, you should help.

Dumb doesn't always mean obvious to everyone, this flavor of dumb just reads obvious to me.

Also people should chill, policy lynches are the zenith of ineptitude. If you want to lynch mastin/anti you're wrong, and I will tell you to fuck off, but I will respect your right to be wrong within the confines of this game. If you want to policy lynch necro you're just sad.

[Aegor]

i'm serious.

you don't get to join a game knowing full well there are hydras and then policy lynch.

we were first. replace out.

Your death is not mandated by your nature as a hydra.