Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Neutral

Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (0):
Saki (1): Dry-fit
ZZZX (0):
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Zdenek (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Nachomamma8 (0):
TSO (0):
MafiaSSK (0):
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (2): TheNecromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath, TSO
TheNecromancers (5): Talah, Xayzeck, Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Fear (0):
Jordan_Downey (2): Shiny Hydreigon, Spring Starflower,
Aegor (0):
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, Doublade, Jordan_Downey

It is day 1. With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, June 15 at 2:00am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-15 02:00:00).

[Xayzeck]

#36 gives me my first scumread of the game in Xayzeck - I've seen him as both alignments and the OMGUS part doesn't fit with my memories of town-Xay.

I....don't recall playing with you as scum?

IIRC it's always been metown youscum?

first game being my first game, second game being the recent one with oka and kyndy

and like, when you attacked me in the latter, I just attacked you back, instead of reaching out to kyndy who didn't really do anything and just fencesat. aka i push those who push me, so it should fit your memories of town me

unless you can remind me of a game where you played with as scum(unless you mean you READ a game of mescum then okay then but that's not as reliable of a meta read) then i'm questioning how much bullshit you have in your read of me

[Jordan_Downey]

Whelp, after conferring with Jingle I'll be moving on at this point. I'm personally not seeing the Talah scum in the thread, and don't have much faith in meta, especially when it's not my experience.

Fear and spring starflower still sticking out on review.

SKOT has been pinging me recently, re-reading his iso his posts are wishy washy and I think he might include more qualifiers then me. He continuously mentions just poking Necro for reactions, just poking. 446 he calls them out for feeling evasive, but then counters by saying it's a null tell. Then 648 Necro gives you a good what for and he replies with 667, "Well I didn't really call you scum." Went from sitting on a fence to full on backtracking. Then the, I have suspicions on you but well sheep you anyways, because hey, I'm going to vote out noise instead of actually scumhunt.

VOTE: SKOT

[Aegor]

Have been reading the thread. Have basically nothing new to add. Skipped all posts that involved meta.

[ZZZX]

I thought about it and

Unvote

I will think this again. I am not sure who could be scum.

[talah]

So this game is giving me the shits right now so I'm going to lurk for a bit.

[Aegor]

Also, the case on talah is dumb and I still want the anti/mastin hydra dead for many reasons.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

Whelp, after conferring with Jingle I'll be moving on at this point. I'm personally not seeing the Talah scum in the thread, and don't have much faith in meta, especially when it's not my experience.

Fear and spring starflower still sticking out on review.

SKOT has been pinging me recently, re-reading his iso his posts are wishy washy and I think he might include more qualifiers then me. He continuously mentions just poking Necro for reactions, just poking. 446 he calls them out for feeling evasive, but then counters by saying it's a null tell. Then 648 Necro gives you a good what for and he replies with 667, "Well I didn't really call you scum." Went from sitting on a fence to full on backtracking. Then the, I have suspicions on you but well sheep you anyways, because hey, I'm going to vote out noise instead of actually scumhunt.

VOTE: SKOT

thanks for the laugh

[Antihero]

Also, the case on talah is dumb and I still want the anti/mastin hydra dead for many reasons.

you're still unengaged scum and i know it

[T S O]

#36 gives me my first scumread of the game in Xayzeck - I've seen him as both alignments and the OMGUS part doesn't fit with my memories of town-Xay.

I....don't recall playing with you as scum?

IIRC it's always been metown youscum?

first game being my first game, second game being the recent one with oka and kyndy

and like, when you attacked me in the latter, I just attacked you back, instead of reaching out to kyndy who didn't really do anything and just fencesat. aka i push those who push me, so it should fit your memories of town me

unless you can remind me of a game where you played with as scum(unless you mean you READ a game of mescum then okay then but that's not as reliable of a meta read) then i'm questioning how much bullshit you have in your read of me

I researched your meta in the latter game, there's posts of mine in it showing that I did.

You don't seem to understand my accusation - the OMGUS portion of the post was tacked-on and unnatural.

[Aegor]

Also, the case on talah is dumb and I still want the anti/mastin hydra dead for many reasons.

you're still unengaged scum and i know it

I am sure I will get lynched in due time, so your knowledge will not have been acquired in vain.

[Aegor]

Is anyone strongly townreading Dry-Fit?

[T S O]

okay so I read up to page 20. Necro is town as fuck, Xayzeck is still a scumfuck, TD can be Town, so can Doublade. I don't want to give SKOT a read and I'm not able to give Fear one.

[T S O]

MS can be town as well, I'd call ZZZX Town too but that post about his computer bugging screams "SHIT FUCK I'M SCUM NOT MAKING ANY SENSE OH BALLS THEY'RE ONTO TO ME I NEED AN EXCUSE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE HMM AHH SHIT AHH HMM COMPUTER BUG GOT IT GET IT DOWN IT'S TRUE I SWEAR BYE!"

[T S O]

Mild scumread on Jordan, strong scumread on Xayzeck.

My reads are going surprisingly well.

Others need to post more (Rach, Nacho, SSK) so I can somewhat think about them.

[Dry-fit]

needs rope
what exactly didn't imply that i was voting sharpest knife off his last post, my vote immediately following his?
why exactly is sharpest knife a 'bad target' for a naked vote?
"naked votes come from scum more than town" psh

VOTE: dry-fit

Knife was a bad target because his posts up to that point weren't scummy or noteworthy. Putting an enexplained vote on him wasn't going to do anything to advance discussion.

Not liking Aegor's push on me. He ust says my posts are bad but doesn't give any reason to think they're scum motivated.

Not a fan of the Necro wagon. Still reading. Man this game is moving fast.

[Dry-fit]

SKOT's case about anti being dangerous as scum is all kinds of bad but he's probably town. Talah's case on mastin for not providing reasons for reads is also incorrect. Mastin lynched me in a fire and ice large game without giving any reasoning, the bastard. He was town.

[Dry-fit]

TiphaineDeath is pretty clearly town here. His play isn't opportunistic at all and he's providing a voice of reason(or at least attempting to) and his reads and stances look very genuine.

I believe mastin' read on talah.


But we can only lynch 1 scum per day so take it one step at a time

So you have an even stronger scumread than mastin's 97%?

I really want Necro to die. If they are scum, I would consider that the cherry on top. No one else has done anything interesting. Xay may be scum. Dry-fit is also definitely scum, but the Necro hydra must return to the dead.

I don't find this believable. Here is the case Aegor's brought against me:

This is just awful in every way. Inaccurate appeal to general meta to justify a baseless vote. Suspecting players seemingly at random, when said players are the only coherent ones in the whole game. Lack of commitment in general. Badbadbad.

VOTE: Dry-fit

This is hardly a case that should gie anyone the kind of confidence in a read Aegor apparently has.

Unvote. Vote: Aegor.

[ZZZX]

MS can be town as well, I'd call ZZZX Town too but that post about his computer bugging screams "SHIT FUCK I'M SCUM NOT MAKING ANY SENSE OH BALLS THEY'RE ONTO TO ME I NEED AN EXCUSE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE HMM AHH SHIT AHH HMM COMPUTER BUG GOT IT GET IT DOWN IT'S TRUE I SWEAR BYE!"

Yea I posted a single post with not-readable English and it made no sense and appeared. Way too late it did
How could that be scum motivated

[Aegor]

Not liking Aegor's push on me. He ust says my posts are bad but

doesn't give any reason to think they're scum motivated

.

Motivation is not always relevant to whether something is scummy.

[TiphaineDeath]

In what world Aegor? Isn't motivation by definition the only actual difference between scum and town? There are actions we see as scummy, styles we call scum styles, opportunism bussing and such, but as far as reads go, isn't motivation everything?

[Aegor]

In what world Aegor? Isn't motivation by definition the only actual difference between scum and town? There are actions we see as scummy, styles we call scum styles, opportunism bussing and such, but as far as reads go, isn't motivation everything?

Nope. If an argument requires assuming scum motivation, it is not a very good one.

[TiphaineDeath]

.... So what you are saying is someone could do action X and if we view action X as objectively scummy then that person is acting scummy.

and someone could do action Y and since we view action Y as objectively towny the person doing action Y gains townpoints.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

[Antihero]

mastin, aegor is not town

[Jordan_Downey]

In what world Aegor? Isn't motivation by definition the only actual difference between scum and town? There are actions we see as scummy, styles we call scum styles, opportunism bussing and such, but as far as reads go, isn't motivation everything?

Nope. If an argument requires assuming scum motivation, it is not a very good one.

I think it is trying to find scum motivation versus town motivation in a play, not assuming scum motivation. I don't think TD ever mentions anything about assuming there... Maybe I'm completely off base with that one. So if you aren't looking to see if something is scum motivated what do you look for Aegor?