Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[goodmorning]

@masons: Do you have daytalk? If yes, it's more likely that Scum do. If no, it's less likely.

@everyone generally: why isn't SSK dead yet?

[ika]

no we dont have daytalk

we actualy speced that duing night phase that the fact we didnt means they dont.

[ika]

if we had daytalk we would of been more coordinated and not be in open about all this shit

but ya can someone put a vote on SSK i want him to be in l-2 so me and pants can end it

[ika]

or at least opertunity to

[Titus]

titus, do you think fakevig was scum orientied or town oriented?

think back to our old game. do you think it was some means of that?

I've seen a lot of fake dayvigs. Which old game? Do you mean the one I showed you as a research on the worst scumslip I could find? I don't think that one had a fake vig.

[Titus]

As for Guyett, I'm not sure. As scum, I could see it used to determine who really believed the masons and attack them. As town, I can see the rationale of faking dayvig for info. I'm leaning scum because of Guyett's vote timing and the vig seems convienent to save SSK. Of course SSK's hammer was convienent to save a counterwagon on you, which would have landed on town so...

[Jingle]

1) First, going after ika is not a subtle action, particularly for me. Going after ika and being wrong is very likely to get me dead. He and I have a bit of a complicated relationship.
2) Second, when the hell did I tell Anti not to get angry bc I was wrong? That is bullshit.
3) Yes, I tunnel as scum. What's the relevance?
4) I don't remember how many games. The two that stand out are Geology (you were scum) and U pick (I was scum)
5) As scum, I don't bus. You saw it in Upick, where I always had a better place to vote. So SSK is obvious scum so I start the day wanting to killhim? Logical disconnect.
6) You say it was all toen's fault but your actions ibdicate another. I did a jedi mind trick on Trollie that caused his meltdown. I whiteknighted the rber to ensure the math was off and no one solved bus driver. I told you how to solve the game but you ignored it bc I was scum.

My play here is totally different than Upick. I am not in control of anything. I can't get SSK really talked about even though ika wants to lynch him. I haf to kick and scream to get every inch because of my stupid meta barring players from seeing me as a goid townie.

1. Self Meta. I'm not even going to argue that part. The safe action here is that you were going after a particularly scummy player. (IKA was objectively scummy, and if you want to argue that point go ahead.) The scummy action here is scumreading IKA for SSK's behavior. (Your ISO at the beginning of D2.)

2. I told Anti not to get angry that your logic is mysterious and hard to follow, before having read any of your posts, because he was genuine raging in his ISO at you and I thought there was a chance he wasn't being objective.

3. This is one of the four points I even referenced your meta. And you admit that I'm right. And you say that I'm basing my argument off of twisted meta.

4. We've also played in a couple marathons, but that's it for real, meta-able games. (I keep track of all of mine, though I don't do a wiki.) The point is, that I don't think two games, especially those two games, is enough to justify your statements that I should be able to build a meta read on you.

5. Self meta. I'm not going to take this at face value. I might do a meta dive if I have time to work this out. You started the day wanting to kill IKA and SSK and focusing on IKA without making any arguments for SSK, despite him being scum in your eyes. Right now I've got a strong scumread on you, and a different, independent strong scumread on SSK. Voting SSK gives absolutely no towncred in my eyes, because this is exactly where scum would bus.

6. This is the last I will discuss this. Your play in UDesign was good. Not oh-my-god scummy nom amazing, but good. I am never bitter when someone wins because they played well. I am bitter because of:

Spoiler:

Premature claiming.
Town Fakeclaiming.
D1 Policy lynch self hammer.
Me tunneling on the cop, even after claim.
Town refusing to discuss possible strategies.

No offense, SC, but it is my opinion of that game that there were 3 players playing well that game, and two of them happened to be scum. I don't think I played well that game at all.

On a non-game related note, I think you are a decent player as either alignment. (Again, not the scariest scum or town, but definitely good.) I just don't think your logic is something I'll ever be able to follow.

On a game related note, Please respond to:

In post 1027, Titus wrote:
He also omitted my attempts to get the conversation to turn to SSK. When it didn't I tried to go with the will of the group, then Anti obvscummed.

I'm sorry, I must have missed this. Links please? Same with my 'meta arguments.'

Also, what the fuck am I supposed to be seeing in your ISO? I see a push on IKA, and no push on SSK, and you scumreading both. Is there something obvtown I'm apparently missing, because I have no idea why you just pointed me at a part of the game that I was scumreading you for.

[Jingle]

Guyett's fakevig is probably null. I've seen him pull similar shit as town, but I also know he's got all of the love for both dayvigs and gambits. Titus' reaction isn't very telling, because I'd expect both town and scum to react with incredulity to someone vigging a claimed mason.

Also, knowing where the picture comes from, 1032 was totally a troll claim.

[ika]

jingle, are you going to answer my questions?

[ika]

or vote SSK for being obvi!scum?

[Jingle]

Which ones did I miss? I gave my lynch order.

PEdit: I want a response from Titus.

[MafiaSSK]

What game did you comod with Stranger? By implication, there was no daychat in that game. So why do you think he'd have one here?

Monopoly Mafia and Mafia 91. Daytalk was discussed in one if not both of these games and I could definitely see SC putting it in a game such as this.

[MafiaSSK]

But regardless, the masons not having daytalk pretty much says that scum also don't have daytalk.

But aside from SC liking masons, can someone remind me why they can't just be fakeclaiming masons?

[Jingle]

titus: thats the other problem, when your univerasly town, something off. your more misunderstood as town then you are scum. The fact you are making sense to others is why im continued to get paranoid.

Titus was never univerally townread. Anti scumread her. GM scumread her, although isn't willing to push that for some reason. (Which I think is that she's scum.)

[ika]

the question of Obvi!SSK to opertunisic titus vote off a vig fake shot

if it was then i will look back

move your vote to SSK if hes so obvious, we dont not lynch the obviscums

p-edit: unless you can back it up SSK with post of dicussion (which im pretty sure isnt allowed untill maybe post game), i dont see it.

p-edit 2: b/c if one of us dies the other get town!firmed if mafia wants to try to push that angel, then by all means go ahead

[MafiaSSK]

the question of Obvi!SSK to opertunisic titus vote off a vig fake shot

if it was then i will look back

move your vote to SSK if hes so obvious, we dont not lynch the obviscums

p-edit: unless you can back it up SSK with post of dicussion (which im pretty sure isnt allowed untill maybe post game), i dont see it.

p-edit 2: b/c if one of us dies the other get town!firmed if mafia wants to try to push that angel, then by all means go ahead

See, that's my problem with mason claims. They are near as bad as getting miller, except with miller at least people are willing to policy lynch them. Screw it my vote's going back on ika
VOTE: ika

I'd at least prefer the better thinking mason as the IC-esk role here.

[Jingle]

Because of the fact that if they don't die then they become incredibly suspicious? Fakeclaiming masons as scum is badplay.

Scum can't afford to let them survive to the endgame. Thus they will either be NK'ed or we can reevaluate the claim. (kinda like cop claims.) Also, DP has been incredibly town, and so I'm willing to let the claim sit for now.

[Jingle]

We're not lynching either of them today, SSK.

Seriously IKA? Because Titus is scum. Remember that case that I posted? Where I said that she's scum? It's not my Titus read that's changed. It's that both of them are scum.

[Jingle]

Also, I'm not voting SSK at least until Titus answers.

[ika]

Mafia rule 1: lynch obvi!scum

[Jingle]

Yup. That's why I'm lynching Titus.

Mafia Rule #2: Don't cut off discussion when important information is being learned.

[ika]

SSK- I don't think I need to explain this. He's scum, and caught.

your contridiciting what you are saying then....

[Dr Pants]

See, that's my problem with mason claims. They are near as bad as getting miller, except with miller at least people are willing to policy lynch them. Screw it my vote's going back on ika
VOTE: ika

I'd at least prefer the better thinking mason as the IC-esk role here.

As the "better thinking mason" I feel its my duty to inform you that if either Ika or I gets lynched, the other becomes IC'd and gets nk'd instantly. It would be a complete waste of the mason PR. Instead of having 2 IC's today and 1 tomorrow you would have 0 today and 0 tomorrow.

[Jingle]

Nope. They're both scum. That's not mutually exclusive. I prefer to lynch Titus first, because that gives me time to sort GM, but I'm fine with lynching SSK.

Either way, I'm not voting SSK until Titus responds to me.

[Jingle]

No one but SSK is willing to lynch either of you. It's not gonna happen.