Tales of You (Endgame)

[Red Gyarados]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

[Red Gyarados]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

Nevermind.

[CarbonFiber]

Magenta, does your roleblock stop kills as well or just non killing actions?

[Just Sheep Us]

Sorry, I wasn't getting through the typos clearly. You made RG unblockable?

Sorry. Posting from phone while on the verge of passing out. Yes, I made RG unblockable.

:/

[Just Sheep Us]

So claims don't seem to have added any new information that's relevant.

[CarbonFiber]

Tammy, thoughts on these Nacho posts from the #Yoloville scum QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/DqKBwjYaap4u

ces i will bus the fuck out of you if you so much as touch deas
i will bus you to the motherfucking ground

On the one hand, I see his immediate attack on DV weird and on the other, I wonder if it is WIFOM because he knows you would look at their interactions in that game since you've seen them as scum together.

[Titan]

ANGRY PIDGEON - SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? i am working on that and not ALL the time. maybe like 85% of the time! but not all! and one day i will become jaded and just not care!!! so I'm told.

falcon - ugh, I wish I had some time to look at all that stuff. if i finish some other things tonight I'll look at that. DV and Nacho were scum together in Gundam Seed though. Where he was kinda like uh maybe he's scum idk.

bleh, i will do what i can but i'm picking up my family tomorrow and still have ton of stuff to do.

[AngryPidgeon]

ANGRY PIDGEON - SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? i am working on that and not ALL the time. maybe like 85% of the time! but not all! and one day i will become jaded and just not care!!! so I'm told.

I sorry. Reck told me to call someone out and I was drawing blanks : (

[Titan]

i don't really mind. my skype chat was all ahahaha angry pidgeon just called you out tammy!!!

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, I have a few other thoughts:

1) Unless Penguin is claiming cop (I don't think she is but

Penguin, please get in here and claim now

), I actually seriously doubt AP and Fox are in a scumteam because my role confirms multiple cops. AP's claim actually makes a LOT of sense as town. His role is incredibly weak (unless he picks three scum, it is unlikely he'll get a guilty), and AP LOVES fake-claiming guilties on townies and his restriction on his role not working with less than 9 players is so non-AP-scum-like but I was reading him as scum-scum-scum and Mastin thought he was scum so I am leaning more towards Mastin being wrong at this time. I am fairly certain that Muffin was Definitely wrong about his flow bussing theory because role-wise, I can't see AP-Fox scumteam.

2) Magenta roleblocking an Amnesiac Follower is just WTF. That plus the lack of interactions with me/Tammy/Pieguyn about Nacho felt off too. Magenta is the one I feel best about being scum. I think Penguin is a good bet for the second with AP/RG/Fox being the third. I might be wrong about Penguin but I don't see how she got that Nacho townread. Hey, Tammy if you are still here, do you find anything off about Penguin's Nacho townread after misreading me and Nacho in Wicked? Also, her certainty of a read on me after the Wicked misread?

[CarbonFiber]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

Nevermind.

What was the revelation that you had that made you say "nevermind?" I am still scratching my head as to why Magenta has roleblocked a claimed ascetic follower on N3 and N4.

[Titan]

I do, and when I get done doing what I need to do for the night I'll try to talk about it.

It's still part of me kinda thinking I need to be the lynch.

[Red Gyarados]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

Nevermind.

What was the revelation that you had that made you say "nevermind?" I am still scratching my head as to why Magenta has roleblocked a claimed ascetic follower on N3 and N4.

That they claimed some sort of combined JK. I could maybe see them wanting to protect a townie if I squint hard enough, and that's why I said nevermind.

AP already claimed JK on them earlier. So it could just be them looking for a convenient excuse.

Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action. Why is it one of AP/RG/Fox instead of one of RG/Fox?

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action.

Because they are also claiming their role failed. I find it morel likely that they are being honest about their role, regardless of their alignment here. And you can rolecopy an action even if it fails? Eh?

[Red Gyarados]

That's what I was told.

[Red Gyarados]

That's what I was told.

And I stand by my accusation of Fox being lying scum.

[CarbonFiber]

That's what I was told.

And I stand by my accusation of Fox being lying scum.

Okay, but are you down with lynching Magenta today and coming back to that later?

[Red Gyarados]

If you're wrong, we go to Lylo with an unresolved CC.

What do you have on Magenta?

[CarbonFiber]

If you're wrong, we go to Lylo with an unresolved CC.

What do you have on Magenta?

Well, the thing is I don't see it as an unresolved CC. I think it is possible one of you/AP/Fox are scum just through sheer POE as I am strong townreading everyone else.

Magenta case in a nutshell

:

1) Mara was fooled in a grand fashion by Nacho in NY169: Mara's EPIC XD Failure to read Nacho where she persistently townread Nacho and was left alive late game as a confirmed town Mason. Tammy, Pieguyn and I were scumreading him in that same game and Mara never thought to interact with any of us to refine her read.

2) Mara lacked paranoia of Nacho and seems too sure about her read (basically what Tammy said earlier).

3) Nacho pushing Orc lynch D1 as a feel-good lynch when we now know that Orc was a D1-only governor feels really slimy (basically Tammy fucking called it as Nacho bussing Orc).

AP will say I am buddying with Tammy again but meh. If this flips scum as I think it will, there's only one person I can really credit for this lynch so yeah.

4) Magenta roleblocking Stalin is seriously scum motivated. Although tbf, I don't know why they would claim it. They could have just shut up and done nothing. But then again, everyone was suspicious of Magenta so they might have thought WIFOM would help, I don't know. But their night actions still don't make sense from a town POV.

[Red Gyarados]

Well, the thing is I don't see it as an unresolved CC.

Why? What's the issue here?

[Red Gyarados]

Magenta case in a nutshell:

1) Mara was fooled in a grand fashion by Nacho in NY169: Mara's EPIC XD Failure to read Nacho where she persistently townread Nacho and was left alive late game as a confirmed town Mason. Tammy, Pieguyn and I were scumreading him in that same game and Mara never thought to interact with any of us to refine her read.

2) Mara lacked paranoia of Nacho and seems too sure about her read (basically what Tammy said earlier).

3) Nacho pushing Orc lynch D1 as a feel-good lynch when we now know that Orc was a D1-only governor feels really slimy (basically Tammy fucking called it as Nacho bussing Orc). AP will say I am buddying with Tammy again but meh. If this flips scum as I think it will, there's only one person I can really credit for this lynch so yeah.

4) Magenta roleblocking Stalin is seriously scum motivated. Although tbf, I don't know why they would claim it. They could have just shut up and done nothing. But then again, everyone was suspicious of Magenta so they might have thought WIFOM would help, I don't know. But their night actions still don't make sense from a town POV.

This is pretty convincing.

But if I give you Mara, I want Fox's head.

[CarbonFiber]

Now that I think of it, I don't know. It is vaguely similar to why I didn't see Katsuki as scum, what's the scum motivation to lie?

So, with Fox, I am not saying it is impossible that they are scum but even if they are, why do you think they would lie about their role/night action? We know that they are not lying about their role entirely since they know you are an Artist. Saying that one of their buddies have their role is a bit of a stretch since scum tend to claim their own roles (if they want to be truthful) as opposed to their partner's roles which makes no sense. They could be a flavorcop that lied about visiting me but why would they? If they visited no one and are X-shot, they could have just said so instead of planting a useless lie.

[AngryPidgeon]

That's what I was told.

And I stand by my accusation of Fox being lying scum.

This is just so hard to take in though?

Fox has proven that he has information he could only have if he were a flavor cop. the one night you are claiming to target him, hes claiming to be blocked.

I mean I dont get it. He could only be lying if someone on his team is a flavor cop which just makes zero fucking sense to do

[CarbonFiber]

Magenta case in a nutshell:

1) Mara was fooled in a grand fashion by Nacho in NY169: Mara's EPIC XD Failure to read Nacho where she persistently townread Nacho and was left alive late game as a confirmed town Mason. Tammy, Pieguyn and I were scumreading him in that same game and Mara never thought to interact with any of us to refine her read.

2) Mara lacked paranoia of Nacho and seems too sure about her read (basically what Tammy said earlier).

3) Nacho pushing Orc lynch D1 as a feel-good lynch when we now know that Orc was a D1-only governor feels really slimy (basically Tammy fucking called it as Nacho bussing Orc). AP will say I am buddying with Tammy again but meh. If this flips scum as I think it will, there's only one person I can really credit for this lynch so yeah.

4) Magenta roleblocking Stalin is seriously scum motivated. Although tbf, I don't know why they would claim it. They could have just shut up and done nothing. But then again, everyone was suspicious of Magenta so they might have thought WIFOM would help, I don't know. But their night actions still don't make sense from a town POV.

This is pretty convincing.

But if I give you Mara, I want Fox's head.

I'm not ruling out Fox as a possibility and I will consider them. I am curious, what convinced you now that didn't convince you the first time?

[Red Gyarados]

what's the scum motivation to lie?

I don't know. Why wouldn't scum lie? I made it painfully obvious I to them I targeted them N3 when I TOLD them I visited them yesterday. So they've probably been planning their fakeclaim because they had no idea what I was going to claim. They already claimed Beast, probably in response to knowing I was a child. It just screams scum to me. Especially with Nacho flipping child-beastmaster.

Your turn. Why wouldn't they lie if they were scum?

This is just so hard to take in though?

Fox has proven that he has information he could only have if he were a flavor cop. the one night you are claiming to target him, hes claiming to be blocked.

I mean I dont get it. He could only be lying if someone on his team is a flavor cop which just makes zero fucking sense to do

I don't understand it either.

But the fact remains that my role is a copier. I get to copy a target's ability as long as they use a night action on the night I target them. I targeted them on N3. I wasn't told my role failed like it did on N2 where I got to keep my shot. And I didn't receive anything in return. I was also told that it only matters that MY role succeeds and my target uses a night action.