Tales of You (Endgame)

[Red Gyarados]

I am curious, what convinced you now that didn't convince you the first time?

Their claimed actions.

[CarbonFiber]

I am curious, what convinced you now that didn't convince you the first time?

Their claimed actions.

Okay, but why did you say "nevermind" as opposed to continue to press them on why they blocked the claimed Amnesiac follower?

[Red Gyarados]

I am curious, what convinced you now that didn't convince you the first time?

Their claimed actions.

Okay, but why did you say "nevermind" as opposed to continue to press them on why they blocked the claimed Amnesiac follower?

That's Magenta. Wrong slot buddy.

And they probably would have just referenced their original claim.

[Red Gyarados]

I hope you understand, that regardless of what happens with Magenta (who could be scum, and I wouldn't mind lynching), I'm going to continue to push my CC against Fox.

[CarbonFiber]

I asking about Magenta. My case on Magenta was a rehash of the points that me, JSU, and Tammy and already put forth at the beginning of the day. So, if you were reading closely, you'd have already been convinced. But then you asked for what I had on Magenta and I just repeated those points and you said you were convinced. I want to know why repeating the same points a second time convinced you when they originally hadn't.

[Red Gyarados]

I asking about Magenta. My case on Magenta was a rehash of the points that me, JSU, and Tammy and already put forth at the beginning of the day. So, if you were reading closely, you'd have already been convinced. But then you asked for what I had on Magenta and I just repeated those points and you said you were convinced. I want to know why repeating the same points a second time convinced you when they originally hadn't.

I don't know. Wasn't paying attention the first time. Fox is still scum.

[CarbonFiber]

I do, and when I get done doing what I need to do for the night I'll try to talk about it.

It's still part of me kinda thinking I need to be the lynch.

You are saying you want to be the lynch because PA could be scum that placed a delayed kill on you. If that's a possibility and we suspect her, she should be the lynch. If you are asking to be lynched because you don't want to risk lynching town-Penguin, you really shouldn't be because Penguin is town, then we know she didn't put out a delayed kill and there is no reason to lynch you.

[CarbonFiber]

Am I talking to NotScience or Brian right now?

[Red Gyarados]

Brian. Obviously. Either me or Notty will let you know when a head changes. This shouldn't be reading like Notty tonally anyways.

[CarbonFiber]

Okay, I wondered because you weren't speaking in walls. Who do you think is the scumteam right now?

[Red Gyarados]

Fox.

Don't care who the other two are. One step at a time. I really believe we have scum here. Could be Magenta or PA I guess. Can't be more than two of AP/JSU/Beli, so there's definitely at least one town there. Maybe all three are town. I don't think it's you/Titan.

Right now, I just want to lynch Fox. They're scum to me.

[Red Gyarados]

Vote: Fox

When you guys stop circle-jerking with your "I just don't understand why they'd lie about their action or role if they were scum," come talk to me.

[CarbonFiber]

Brian, your demeanor just seems off to me for some reason. You seem so sure that Fox are scum (I don't think that's unusual considering I was screaming from the rooftops that Rancid were scum when they claimed my role), but you seen okay with lynching Magenta (who you don't have a strong scumread on) instead of Fox as long as I give you Fox tomorrow. But you've only negotiated with me. What if we're wrong on Magenta and it's LYLO tomorrow and some other townie (not me) votes you as opposed to Fox, it is game over. I'm still hoping we were on the right track and Magenta is scum and you are town, but I am not absolutely certain. If you are scum with AP/Penguin, it would make sense to mislynch Magenta today and lynch Fox in LYLO once I say I would vote them over you. And maybe Nacho didn't care too much about his lynch because he knew he was setting up a Magenta lynch to follow.

[Red Gyarados]

Brian, your demeanor just seems off to me for some reason. You seem so sure that Fox are scum (I don't think that's unusual considering I was screaming from the rooftops that Rancid were scum when they claimed my role), but you seen okay with lynching Magenta (who you don't have a strong scumread on) instead of Fox as long as I give you Fox tomorrow. But you've only negotiated with me. What if we're wrong on Magenta and it's LYLO tomorrow and some other townie (not me) votes you as opposed to Fox, it is game over. I'm still hoping we were on the right track and Magenta is scum and you are town, but I am not absolutely certain. If you are scum with AP/Penguin, it would make sense to mislynch Magenta today and lynch Fox in LYLO once I say I would vote them over you. And maybe Nacho didn't care too much about his lynch because he knew he was setting up a Magenta lynch to follow.

Okay, now you understand why I only want to lynch Fox.

Thank you.

I don't give a shit about anyone else right now as long as Fox dies. I don't see any reason why they could be town. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, Fox is scum. If there is anything wrong with what I'm seeing, you should be helping me figure it out. Not sitting there with your "oh Brian, do you want to lynch Magenta and go for Fox tomorrow?"

[CarbonFiber]

I am doing my best to help you figure it out but it would help if your push actually made sense. As for why you couldn't copy their role. I don't know. But it is far from a guarantee that Fox is scum.

Not sure, but I'm thinking Fox could be scum here.

You list out your actions here and then say that you aren't sure. What changed since then? They had claimed to have visited me and then you "cc'd" them in this post but you weren't sure. So, I am not sure why you don't understand

my

lack of certainty now.

Okay, just to be clear, you should have visited me N4 and found out my role because that's what Fox did N3? And it turns out you got nothing?

Do you think Fox is lying about their role/night actions? From your POV, they correctly found out that you were an Artist. Where do you think the issue is?

No? If my target uses a night action (role PM says active ability), then I get to copy that action and use it myself on the next night. So, I was supposed to get what I think is a rolecop to use on D4. It doesn't say I have to do what they did with it (and I wouldn't have bothered using it to check you, there are other unclaimed/need to be confirmed roles out there).

But my action didn't fail as far as I'm aware of and I got nothing. Just an empty PM and a burned shot. And Cabd told me that as long as MY action succeeds, it doesn't matter what happened to my targets actions.

The issue with Fox's claims is him claiming to have targeted someone N3

.

So, here you bring up your issue with him and you are not all excited about it or anything.

Errrrr. So you knew you were blocked on N2 because you still had your 1-shot left? You didn't after N3, but you also didn't get to take any action? They knew your role name though so the only way they are BSing is if they are scum and someone else on their team is actually a flavor cop? Which seems..unlikely?

Something interfered with my shot on N2. That's the only reason why I got to keep my shot. If I target someone that doesn't have a night action, that just burns my shot and I get nothing. You claimed to have tried to cop three people that night. So if nothing had interfered with my shot, I would have had a 3p cop check or whatever your role is to use on N3. Since I got to keep my shot, I know something interfered with my action. Plus, Cabd told me my 'role failed.'

I used my shot again on Fox N3. They claimed to have targeted Falcon. If their claim is true, I should have been able to copy and use their night action on N4. Instead, I didn't get anything. Which means they're lying or there's some mystery effect I'm not considering that you think is in this game.

Yes, they're right about me being an Artist. Which makes me think they're claiming something like flavorcop or rolecop.

If Fox is scum, then they probably have one on their team.

But that doesn't mean they have to be one themselves.

The bolded is a pretty big stretch and it concerns me that you are putting it forth as the most likely possibility. If someone else on their team was a flavorcop, don't you think that player would be the one to claim that role?

You said on D4 that you thought that Fox was town but might end up voting them anyway. Why?

I thought they could be town. But it was because I was tunneling the Nacho/AP/JSU scumteam I had in mind. And I wasn't reading their posts. But outside of those three, I thought that one of PA/Fox could have been the fourth member.

I was suspicious of Fox, but I had limited information. There was always the possibility of them being an even-night role like what JSU claimed to be or some other reason that might explain my role failing. But they're not claiming that here.

You answer my question about Fox but still no footnote saying "but they are scum now so let's lynch them." This only happens much later when I call you out on it.

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Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

Nevermind.

What was the revelation that you had that made you say "nevermind?" I am still scratching my head as to why Magenta has roleblocked a claimed ascetic follower on N3 and N4.

That they claimed some sort of combined JK. I could maybe see them wanting to protect a townie if I squint hard enough, and that's why I said nevermind.

AP already claimed JK on them earlier. So it could just be them looking for a convenient excuse.

Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action.

Why is it one of AP/RG/Fox instead of one of RG/Fox?

This felt like a pretty weak push for someone that you are cc'ing.

That's what I was told.

And I stand by my accusation of Fox being lying scum.

If you're wrong, we go to Lylo with an unresolved CC.

What do you have on Magenta?

Well, the thing is I don't see it as an unresolved CC.

Why? What's the issue here?

I hope you understand, that regardless of what happens with Magenta (who could be scum, and I wouldn't mind lynching), I'm going to continue to push my CC against Fox.

I asking about Magenta. My case on Magenta was a rehash of the points that me, JSU, and Tammy and already put forth at the beginning of the day. So, if you were reading closely, you'd have already been convinced. But then you asked for what I had on Magenta and I just repeated those points and you said you were convinced. I want to know why repeating the same points a second time convinced you when they originally hadn't.

I don't know. Wasn't paying attention the first time.

Fox is still scum

.

You have a high degree of certainty that Fox is scum while at the same time considering a Magenta lynch. I don't know where this certainty came from. When you cc'd them, you seem unsure and I can't follow how this gradual buildup of certainty came to the point that you are now so sure that Fox is scum. You have the same information now as you did when you first cc'd them.

Fox.

Don't care who the other two are. One step at a time. I really believe we have scum here. Could be Magenta or PA I guess. Can't be more than two of AP/JSU/Beli, so there's definitely at least one town there. Maybe all three are town. I don't think it's you/Titan.

Right now, I just want to lynch Fox. They're scum to me.

Again, the same certainty here. And the timing of it is odd. I keep pushing you and now you decided to vote them. Unlike me, I didn't peg you for someone who is really slow to vote, especially on cc's.

Vote: Fox

When you guys stop circle-jerking with your "I just don't understand why they'd lie about their action or role if they were scum," come talk to me.

Brian, your demeanor just seems off to me for some reason. You seem so sure that Fox are scum (I don't think that's unusual considering I was screaming from the rooftops that Rancid were scum when they claimed my role), but you seen okay with lynching Magenta (who you don't have a strong scumread on) instead of Fox as long as I give you Fox tomorrow. But you've only negotiated with me. What if we're wrong on Magenta and it's LYLO tomorrow and some other townie (not me) votes you as opposed to Fox, it is game over. I'm still hoping we were on the right track and Magenta is scum and you are town, but I am not absolutely certain. If you are scum with AP/Penguin, it would make sense to mislynch Magenta today and lynch Fox in LYLO once I say I would vote them over you. And maybe Nacho didn't care too much about his lynch because he knew he was setting up a Magenta lynch to follow.

Okay, now you understand why I only want to lynch Fox.

Thank you.

I don't give a shit about anyone else right now as long as Fox dies. I don't see any reason why they could be town. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, Fox is scum. If there is anything wrong with what I'm seeing, you should be helping me figure it out. Not sitting there with your "oh Brian, do you want to lynch Magenta and go for Fox tomorrow?"

I'm trying to figure you out and track your thought process.

[Red Gyarados]

You list out your actions here and then say that you aren't sure. What changed since then? They had claimed to have visited me and then you "cc'd" them in this post but you weren't sure. So, I am not sure why you don't understand my lack of certainty now.

I've been waiting to see if anyone can offer up a fair explanation of why Fox looks like scum to me. I've never had an opportunity to catch scum based on MY night action. And this game has been weird in its own right.

So, here you bring up your issue with him and you are not all excited about it or anything.

Yep, me pinpointing the issue I have when asked about it.

The bolded is a pretty big stretch and it concerns me that you are putting it forth as the most likely possibility. If someone else on their team was a flavorcop,

don't you think that player would be the one to claim that role

?

You'd expect so. But what do I know about scum? Don't you think that if it were really his role, he wouldn't be lying about his actions?

This felt like a pretty weak push for someone that you are cc'ing.

This is me pointing out what I find to be a flaw in your logic. I CC'ed Fox. You ignore it and group both of us with AP. I still think Fox could be scum and I was CC'ing him. What don't you get about that?

You have a high degree of certainty that Fox is scum while at the same time considering a Magenta lynch. I don't know where this certainty came from. When you cc'd them, you seem unsure and I can't follow how this gradual buildup of certainty came to the point that you are now so sure that Fox is scum. You have the same information now as you did when you first cc'd them.

I still haven't been given anything to make me think my CC is invalid. Like seriously. At this point I've already reconfirmed with Cabd that how I expect my role to work really is how it works.

Unlike me, I didn't peg you for someone who is really slow to vote, especially on cc's.

Really? How much do you know about my meta? Seriously. I'm one of the slowest voters you'll meet. And I rarely ever move it. As either alignment.

[Red Gyarados]

Falcon, no matter what happens today, YOU WILL be lynching one of Fox/me. But if I get lynched, I WILL flip town and YOU will be lynching Fox afterwards.

This isn't a discussion. This is an ultimatum.

[Titan]

VOTE: titan

serious vote it serious

[Titan]

*is

[CarbonFiber]

Falcon, no matter what happens today, YOU WILL be lynching one of Fox/me. But if I get lynched, I WILL flip town and YOU will be lynching Fox afterwards.

This isn't a discussion. This is an ultimatum.

I'd be more convinced if this happened very quickly after you cc'd them as opposed to after being prodded about it.

I still don't understand why you think it is likely that they are claiming a buddy's role even allowing for the fact that people are often uncharacteristically certain about role results that they get.

[CarbonFiber]

VOTE: titan

serious vote is serious

Not happening. Voting you would be against my wincon and I'm not going to play against my wincon. Try again!

[Titan]

I asking about Magenta. My case on Magenta was a rehash of the points that me, JSU, and Tammy and already put forth at the beginning of the day. So, if you were reading closely, you'd have already been convinced. But then you asked for what I had on Magenta and I just repeated those points and you said you were convinced. I want to know why repeating the same points a second time convinced you when they originally hadn't.

I don't know. Wasn't paying attention the first time. Fox is still scum.

no it's not trust me.

if you think there's even the slightest chance penguin is scum you need to lynch me.

[Titan]

VOTE: titan

serious vote is serious

Not happening. Voting you would be against my wincon and I'm not going to play against my wincon. Try again!

I meant to reply to this.

[CarbonFiber]

And the reason isn't something you are willing to say openly?

I don't want to lynch you because I need your help to solve this game.

[CarbonFiber]

I mean if you don't want to lynch Penguin just yet, that's fine. We could lynch different scum suspects and lynch you later on when the game's about to end. I am not really sure why or how lynching you is going to help so I don't know if I can go more in-depth into it.