MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Shadoweh]

Also Venmar is at L-1/
HEY DONUT HYDRA CARD-DEALING MAN
I NOTICE YOU STILL DIDN'T MAKE ME HAPPY, DID YOU GIVE OUT YOUR SHITTY CARD YET?

[Nero Cain]

Yeah ok, I'm a huge idiot but that has like nothing to do with your claim that you gave up trying to work with me. So I guess keep trying to willingly antagonize me, you might fool someone into thinking you are to confrontational to be scum.

[Flipping Awesome]

I know I said I'd get to this today and I spent a bunch of time reading a few other games but not enough to develop any new reads. No one hammer for a couple more days please and thanks.

Also, Plum, I'd like your thoughts on Mafia Pinnipedum where you've seen Kanye as scum and if you can shed any insight into how he treats his buddies.

[Tim Howard]

Card recipient has been sent to the mods.

[Venmar]

vote: venmar

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 4, VC 3

Venmar (7) -

Cerulean,

Nero Cain

, Untrod Tripod, Nobody Special, Tim Howard, Venmar, Sheep Thor or Sheep Majiffy

Not voting - (5):

Shadoweh, Zdenek, Plum, Flipping Awesome, xRECKONERx

With

11

alive it takes

6

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

17th of June at 3:30pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-16 22:30:45)

Plum is V/la. Tammy's head is V/la.[/area]

[Lost Butterfly]

DAY 4: YOUR FLOWCHART IS STUPID

N was annoyed. Venmar had been talking about a flowchart for forever. N hit him over the head with a hammer and killed him. Then everyone kicked him. Guess they were just...going with the flow! RIP Venmar.

Venmar who was a Majiffy fanboy and aligned with the

REAPER

charlie

was lynched Day 4.

Deadline for night actions is 48ish hours. Countdown:(expired on 2014-06-08 15:30:50)

[Lost Butterfly]

Night 4: ARE YOU NORMALLY THIS DEAD?

It was just another normal night in the camp. No one knew what was going to happen. It was all perfectly normal. Some would say too normal! Well that was about to change! With no normal list mod things would go caraaaaazy. Shadoweh was found dead, "sirdanilot sends his regards", was the message beside her. She had a smile on her face. Perhaps she had thought it a sincere message, and it had made her happy? After all, both in and out of character he was one of her favourite posters.

Shadoweh who was a Tierce Fangirl and aligned with the

friends of mith

died Night 4

.

Day 5 will begin shortly!

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 5, VC 0

Not voting - (9):

Cerulean, Zdenek, Plum, Nobody Special, Tim Howard, Untrod Tripod, Flipping Awesome,

Nero Cain

, xRECKONERx

With

9

alive it takes

5

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 5:

18th of June at 9:45pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-06-18 16:45:21)

Plum is V/la.[/area]

[Nero Cain]

lol @ Reck.

Still think the guy is scummy. Kinda worried about UT.

[Flipping Awesome]

Venmar interactions suck. I think he knew was going to get lynched at some point and minimized a lot of his interactions so we can't clear people. I'll post in more detail in a bit.

Nk was weird but I still can't see Cerulean, Zdenek, Nero Cain, or UT as scum. But I'll go over Venmar interactions with them as well.

[Cerulean]

Well this is a fate worse than what I expected to happen to us last night...

Vote: Tim Howard

[Flipping Awesome]

Lol, I like your pink avatar. Who else besides Tim Howard is scum?

[Nero Cain]

Why is UT town?

[Cerulean]

I don't know, I haven't really thought that far ahead. I expected to die last night so I didn't even reread the game like I wanted to. I'll be getting on that in this day phase.

The Shadoweh nightkill is really weird (to be completely honest, I was still really waffling on her alignment back when I was still paying attention to the game) and I'm wondering what motivated that.

Also, reminder:

Blue Guys - 1
Puppies - 0

P-edit: that was at F-16.

[Cerulean]

Actually, maybe they just killed Shadoweh because she was one of the few slots who still gave a shit about the game?

[Flipping Awesome]

Well, for one, if UT committed to a bus on Venmar, I don't see why he would be too shy to bus Kanye as well. It is possible he wanted to keep a better scum player like Kanye alive over him. But then, there is also the fact that Venmar was voting UT at the start of D3 and it seemed like he genuinely wanted UT dead. The other is meta. He isn't playing anything like in Wicked Mafia where he was my scumpartner. His pushes there were aggressive and he had way too much certainty about us flipping scum. Here, he isn't really certain about anything and is moving his suspicion around a lot which feels more natural. I do want to re-evaluate him to make sure though since a non-Cerulean NK would make sense if they are off on their reads. So, expect a more detailed explanation soon.

[Nero Cain]

The thing is...I kinda want to trust CDB on TH. And the only reason that TH *might be scum* is that that use of his actions might be scum motivated.....

still Reck or UT seem like the best lynches thus far.

Tell me how your cards work, TH.

[Nero Cain]

Well, for one, if UT committed to a bus on Venmar, I don't see why he would be too shy to bus Kanye as well. It is possible he wanted to keep a better scum player like Kanye alive over him. But then, there is also the fact that Venmar was voting UT at the start of D3 and it seemed like he genuinely wanted UT dead. The other is meta. He isn't playing anything like in Wicked Mafia where he was my scumpartner. His pushes there were aggressive and he had way too much certainty about us flipping scum. Here, he isn't really certain about anything and is moving his suspicion around a lot which feels more natural. I do want to re-evaluate him to make sure though since a non-Cerulean NK would make sense if they are off on their reads. So, expect a more detailed explanation soon.

I'm just having a hard time getting over the fact that despite me wanting Venmar death he was still ok with my death. IDK, to me to me that doesn't make a ton of sense 'cause if you think player A is scum and player B wants player A dead then it seems a rational thought process to not think player B is scum.

Also yesterday he was sitting on UT but he didn't at all try to get him lynched. I think it could very well be distancing.

[Flipping Awesome]

Spoiler: Meta links for xReckx, NS, Tim, Plum

1) xReckonerx

TOWN: The Reckoning III, Fall Of Gondolin
SCUM: The Red Wedding, TM2012

2) Plum

TOWN: Mini 1537: Attack on Titan, Mini 1538: Powerful Wizards, Mini 1531: Mafia Pinnipedum
SCUM: Mini 1501: We're on a Boat, POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA, Open 298: Follow the Cop, Might of Mordor

3) NobodySpecial

TOWN: NY160B: Welcome to Castle Zar
SCUM: Micro 70: Mafia in Triplicate

4) Tim Howard

TOWN: The Red Wedding (Nexus), UK Scummer's (Nexus)
SCUM: A uPick of Ice and Fire (Quadz)

Spoiler: Kanye Scum games

Kanyeknowsbest Scum Meta

1) Scummies Invitational 2012

2) Mini 1531: Mafia Pinnipedum

3) Mini 1541: Artificial Reality

4) Mini 1538: Powerful Wizards

5) Micro 83: The Room

6) Micro 12: Chain of Command

I did a cursory look through all of those games and didn't really find anything that was particularly useful in the way Kanye interacts with his buddies as scum. In Pinnipedum, he pretty much went with the flow of the game and commented on whatever advanced the game. In Artificial reality, he hard townread one of his buddies (Om of the Nom), going so far as to defend him from a cop guilty and WIFOM saying that he is good as scum and wouldn't so blatantly defend his buddies. So, overall I think Shadoweh is right in that he is good at masking scum-scum interactions. I'll re-read the game though to see how the interactions developed from the other side and how others reacted to Kanye/Venmar and that should shed some light.

Spoiler: Venmar Scum games

Venmar Scum Meta

1) Micro 53: Minimalist Mafia

2) Mini 1442: House of Cards

3) Mini 1539: UDesign

4) Open 470: Cat's Eye

5) Open 424: Jungle Republic

6) Open 414: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem

7) Open 399: Faith Plus One

Going to go through all of these in a little bit. Empire, do you remember anything about how Venmar treated his scumbuddies in the Micro 53 game you played with him?

[xRECKONERx]

lol @ Reck.

Still think the guy is scummy. Kinda worried about UT.

HMM

[Cerulean]

yay we're pink!

[Cerulean]

holy crap that's pink.

[Flipping Awesome]

Tim Howard

:

You say in this post that you liked what you saw from Plum. Elaborate on what you liked.

You're all getting het up about the fact that we said that causing someone to feel shitty about their play is a pro thing to do, yet you don't see anything wrong with the way you acted? Fuck me, you were horrible enough to someone to cause them to want to replace out within the first ten pages of the game. Regardless of alignment, or what she did first, it's a shitty thing to do, and the fact you don't even feel bad is hilarious to me. It was me who forced Quadz to say it, because I felt strongly that it was a really crappy thing to do.

My current thoughts for scum are Zdenek and Cerulean. Obviously you're all gonna be like LOL IT'S COS THEY VOTED YOU but trust me, it's not

Zdenek is trying to be all town-leadery, from my pov, and I don't think he has the skill to do it, so it strikes me as odd. Cerulean I just don't like their posts. I will go through and find specific examples

if you really want

but you could just believe me and we'll be fine.

People who can go on the town pile: Nero Cain, Venmar, LLD and Plum. I've liked what I've seen from those people.

-Nexus out

At the point you made the post, Plum had three posts so far:

I tried to find the content, but it seems to be one of

those games

etc. Too many players whose opinion of their own mafia play is coming out of their ears.

VOTE: Cerulean

Empire, elaborate on the purpose of your first post please. In the meantime, this.

Though also my initial reaction was that today is not at all a bad day for LLD to haiku-nuke someone, but in the long run this is actually probably not the case (certainly not if it's mapped out from this point in time) so who cares.

Sure, I'll take it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Venmar

Sponteneity is a virtue, after all.

V/LA until Wednesday night EDT, Passover. Sorry for inconvenience.

One is a request for Empire to elaborate on his first post with a vote for Cerulean, role speculation and a complaint about the lack of content. The second is vote for your townread, the third is a V/LA post.

[Untrod Tripod]

lol @ Reck.

Still think the guy is scummy

I'm not seeing Reck as scum. Elaborate.