Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Neutral

Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (0):
Saki (0):
ZZZX (0):
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (0):
Zdenek (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (1): Jordan_Downey
Dry-fit (1): Saki
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Nachomamma8 (0):
TSO (0):
MafiaSSK (1): Talah
Natirasha (1): MafiaSSK
Talah (3): TheNecromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Shiny Hydreigon
Xayzeck (4): The Most Curious Thing, Zdenek, TiphaineDeath, TSO
TheNecromancers (4): Xayzeck, Natirasha, Aegor, Fear
Fear (0):
Jordan_Downey (1): Spring Starflower,
Aegor (1): Dry-fit
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (4): Nachomamma8, RachMarie, Doublade, ZZZX

It is day 1. With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, June 15 at 2:00am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-15 02:00:00).

TiphaineDeath and Talah are V/LA until Monday, June 9.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

I am also completely aware of the fact that, Mastin's stance on Talah is strong enough so that, arguing against it is probably futile, leaving her alive long enough will pretty much be a huge distraction to mastin, and him flipping town would probably serve as a strong enough catalyst in making a hard-reset D2 which will probably make mastin that much more useful as town

~L

[Doublade]

we are town

obligatory post

sorry am busy

[marquis]

[Doublade]

VOTE: xayzeck

obligatory sheeping

also i don't know what happened to my mastin thoughts or where they were when i was voting him but i will keep you informed if i ever manage to retrieve them

[marquis]

[T S O]

Very good, Marquis. Very good.

[T S O]

Nacho, get in here.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm sorry baby but I'm V/LA for the weekend.

V/LA

[Dry-fit]

So you have an even stronger scumread than mastin's 97%?

What was the relevance of this question?

To see why that post didn't contain a vote change on talah/how strong MS's read on talah is. Mastin's reasoning seems like it would be pretty strong to someone who agreed with it. So strong it would be unlikely anyone would have a stronger read. I realize MS is part of a hydra here but I want to go into it a bit more becuase it stuck out.

[Dry-fit]

I look for posts that I believe come from scum, regardless of whether I think there is intent. Many of the damning posts could easily have been made without conscious intent (without which intent is not really possible, at least given the definition in use here).

So what's the reason you think my posts come from scum?

[Aegor]

I am also completely aware of the fact that, Mastin's stance on Talah is strong enough so that, arguing against it is probably futile, leaving her alive long enough will pretty much be a huge distraction to mastin, and him flipping town would probably serve as a strong enough catalyst in making a hard-reset D2 which will probably make mastin that much more useful as town

I hope you are aware of how terrible this reasoning is. First, it assumes that mastin is town. Second, you are essentially advocating lynching a player who may be town so that another obsessive player may be useful in the future. Really?

[Aegor]

@Dry-fit: 246

[Spring Starflower]

So you have an even stronger scumread than mastin's 97%?

What was the relevance of this question?

To see why that post didn't contain a vote change on talah/how strong MS's read on talah is. Mastin's reasoning seems like it would be pretty strong to someone who agreed with it. So strong it would be unlikely anyone would have a stronger read. I realize MS is part of a hydra here but I want to go into it a bit more becuase it stuck out.

Have you considered the fact that since my read came directly from mastin, it would naturally have decayed the absolute number of 97%?

[ZZZX]

Spring Starflower answer my question last page

PLEASE

[Zdenek]

VOTE: Xayzeck

I never said I had a meta basis for my read on TMCT.

Also, mastin's scum.

And it is with this post that my vote switches again to
VOTE: Nat

Really?

Caught up. Curious vote still makes me the happy.

this feels lazy

Scum scum scum!

I'm wondering if he's protecting me or pushing me because he's done a bit of both and it's confusing

I meant which posts.

tmct jumping on the wagon that necro started

That's not a buddy tell.

hmmmm i don't get it? what's wrong about questioning other people's reads, regardless of whether I share them or not?

Well, it depends, but right then, not much, I mean I was mainly just looking for something to push you on, but you've done it twice now. If you're honestly scum reading someone, why would you complain about people voting them? It's weird.

VOTE: Xay

YAY!

Yeah I thought her assessment and immediate read change was weird too. Especially considering mastin was indeed scum in that game.
Seems like she's going for a "talah's trying to emulate his townmeta, therefore scum" approach rather than trying to address my concerns about her initial vector (which from my perspective was pretty much wait-and-see, ergo the raised eyebrow).

hmmm? You thought that Mastin/Antihero was scum because Antihero was trying to hard and not understanding Mastin's early reads.

Where were you getting this take on Mastin's read on you?
I don't see it.

In that game, I scumread you. You called me out on it. "Mastin would NEVER scumread me if she was town so early. Least of all considering how well we work together." You later went on in the dead QT to talk about how you think you can read me accurately in future games, and I even agreed it was distinctly possible.

In this game, you scumread me. And I'm calling you out on it--I don't think you would be scumreading me if you were town, least of all considering how well we work together and how you fancy yourself able to read me. Yet I'm town and you're pushing the idea I'm not.

I like this point.

VOTE: Necro

i have reasonable belief that mastin+AH is scum. both give individual scumvibes and add them together to give big scumread on the slot.

you guys should really have posted from the hydra

If they are scum, this is bussing.
But this could just be scum nonsense.

Saki

You use strikeouts pretty liberally, what are they meant to convey?

[Zdenek]

I really don't know why you people think TMCT is scum.

Explain mastin.

I think you're rusing us.

also idk why nati would back off after asking this

What?

I didn't even backoff.

This seems right.

jordan though i think is town

Why?

I'm not sure whether that's really a scumtell

What make you think that it could be a scum tell?

a lot of postings by L (Mara) who hates being scum

Stop it. Mara is at least competent at scum.

so there is now 4 small voting segments- JD, Xay, Necro (Mastin/Anti), and dry-fit. There is a good chance 1 of the power could be scum. Possible all not scum but it will be interesting to sort this out. Can anyone explain why voting some people with more than just "I don't like that one post" and "some random behavior is what scum do" and if you are doing either can you back up what you say. I have gotten tons of crap one way or another for "not explaining" things but see town read here, scum read there with such surety when right now all I am sure of is me. Thanks for any who oblige. (Countdown for someone calling this post scummy.)

Would lynch.

I'm pretty comfortable with Mastin based on how he's reading people.

[Zdenek]

Vote: Talah

Those following along will know why.

[talah]

Funny because I'm following along and I have no idea why you're scumreading me.

I'm scumreading mastin particularly more since the shit-splosion she's tried to pull off because there's a lot of content there now where she's applying her own standards to me (and vice-versa) and at least logically that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And I wouldn't put it past her to play the role of blatant-scum just in order to get me out of the game.

You were in 172 as well. I don't see how you'd expect me to be doing anything except what I do.


Anyway I'm just going to go ahead and claim that I have a PR which is not particularly mind-blowing and save you the time wondering whether it's worth trying to get me to snap.

This achieves two things:

1) It makes me a target for scum, and therefore a decent chance of protect/incidental investigate wifom
2) It's confirmable so at least I don't have to worry about being vigged and giving scum a free kill

Adios for a couple more days.

[Doublade]

What the fuck, talah?? Why claim on Day 1 -- is it because you're trying to get pressure off of you? Good luck with that, because you jumped out of the metaphorical oven and into a cauldron of "haha no".

[caled]

[T S O]

mmm, I have no idea how to take this. Either alignment could do it.

[Saki]

Saki You use strikeouts pretty liberally, what are they meant to convey?

are you really this dense

um isn't it obvious?

[T S O]

Saki, why is your vote so useless in conjunction with your play?

[Zdenek]

Saki You use strikeouts pretty liberally, what are they meant to convey?

are you really this dense

um isn't it obvious?

Nope.

I can tell that it means that you thought something and don't think it anymore, but it tells me nothing about why you changed your mind.

[Zdenek]

For the record, and for myself, I've only read up to page 17, and some recent stuff, and will fill that gap in tomorrow, I hope.

[Zdenek]

I kind of want to lynch Saki for calling me stupid.

[T S O]

I'd nearly help you lynch them on policy, but there's a slim chance they're Town and Xayzeck is borderline-confirmed.