In post 1427, Speedy Saki wrote: In post 1415, Marquis wrote:metal sonic you are scum and we both know this
unfortunately the only other people who know this are your scummates
marquis,
i play with you a lot and i know you very well, which is the precise reason why I am scumreading you -- this isn't your town game.
all the PO players in this game can see this. me, beast, zzzx; all have played with you multiple times, with meta, and yes all agree that you are on the scum list.
but then you're in a deadlock. you
have
to OMGUS/counter-scumread me, because if you town read me, then you're validating my scumread on you -- not what you want. its like cop claiming guilty on you, then you counter claim cop and have a town on me -- not gonna fly.
thats why i'm so confident that you're going to flip scum. i have a pretty good idea that you're scum, and my reads are quite reliable, lots of meta, and the only thing you can possibly do is to counter me.
sorry bro just doing my job.
let me say this right off the bat: you're still scum, and i'm still town. but for the sake of the response... well, i was going to say i'll treat you as logically-thinking town, but we'll have to see where this goes.
you're saying that your scumread on me is forcing me to scumread you in return. so i come in ready to non-rvs-play on page 27, and in
698 +
715 +
717 +
719 my scumread on your hydra grows (i voted you in 719). however your
816 is the first instance i see of you scumreading me.
don't claim you scumread me first, and more than that don't claim that i'm only scumreading you because of that. i'm not feeling that this is your town game, and i'll comment more on this in particular at the end.
beast is the same way. he doesn't refer to me at all until i began to scumread him and talked about that scumread in
797 +
799 + my readslist in
802. the first mention of "doduo" or "marquis" in any of his posts is
801, and from then on it's an OMGUS read. (lol read
805)
(note: re-reading beast's
801, the second line in particular is giving me stronger scumvibes now. it completely matches what i would see as beast talking from a current-scum perspective. i'd rather focus on that as a wagon than lying cat, but there doesn't appear to be any support.)
i don't even recall any time that zzzx said i was scum. he not only says i'm town in
349 +
882, but goes as far as to call me "confirmed town" as far as he's concerned in
850. (there's a subtle implication of a townread too in
951 but let's throw that to the side for now.) so no, he actually doesn't agree with you that i'm scum, so stop trying to use him as an extra playername you can throw at me. pedit:
1466 has me as town too still but a bit weaker i guess. that's my fault (though i do think i have been posting game-relevant things lately! it's not all fluff so stop trying to dismiss it as that).
as for my read on zzzx, from the exchange between him and gg zzzx came out townier than he was earlier for me. i don't like the idea of lynching him today since i do think he's easy lynchbait, but lately i've not really been feeling anything strong either way about him, which does set off a few warning bells. zzzx usually has a strong presence at all times as town.
back @ metal sonic and referring to metal sonic + saki: as far as i can remember, in every game we've both played with each other as town we both had townvibes on the other and consequently, townreads as well. dark age of the law, the first knight errant, bravest warriors (
off site), and vanilla/mountainous (
off site) - all of these are large games in which we were both town and i remember at least on my part that i both identified you as town and had to deal with you being lynchbait of some sort.
but this is different - this is the first game where i'm town and am not getting townvibes from you, and considering our history can you see why it's freaking me out??? i'm pretty sure you're scum, but despite the posts that have rubbed me the wrong way, you've been making a few town-sounding points. so while i might be off in this one instance, i really don't think so. a lot of the reads you're making and lot of the stances you're agreeing with, not to mention your "early" readslist in
673, run so contrary to mine that i don't think we're the same alignment for once.
at this point it would probably strengthen my case to make a wall and call out the individual posts of yours that i find scummy, but i honestly can't be assed to at the moment. just know that your "read" on me is shit and your case of me scumreading you only because you're scumreading me? is shit too.
