Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[Antihero]

i'll stop being a sarcastic ass when i'm dead

[Antihero]

lol, that last post was over-the-top drama even for me.... XD

'kay, i'll go comb through goodmornings' stuff....

[Titus]

Titus, re: gm, I got the feeling that she is feeding on Pants/ika's faulty analysis. It comes across extremely opportunistic, as well as the fact that she's apparently been "LA" the entire game, which doesn't exactly fly.

?? I don't remember a V/LA announcement. Also, how is she feeding faulty analysis?

[Snork]

-.- it would help if you read her latest posts.

[Snork]

She's been barely here since the game started, only popping in to stoke fires. The ISO isn't going to show you that but if you've been paying attention to the flow of the game it is evident.

[Snork]

She's been on playerlist since the beginning and has fewer posts than the mod...

[Titus]

She's been barely here since the game started, only popping in to stoke fires. The ISO isn't going to show you that but if you've been paying attention to the flow of the game it is evident.

Can you prove this point?

Fewer posts than the mod, if all high quality, are acceptable. Are they omgtown, no. But the other point wouldmean more to me.

[Snork]

Are you saying that you haven't been reading the game as it's been happening, Titus? You're asking me to read it to you. If you don't see what I'm talking about, it's not like I can go, hey look at this post and how it totally screams lurking, because that's not how it works and you know it. Active lurking is the absence of something, not presence of. None of her posts are "high quality". They are interjections of null impact. Look at where and when she's voted, the reasoning, or lack thereof, given, and the distinct absence of any of her own analysis or insight, despite continually attempting to shut down anything similar from multiple other people.

[Titus]

I'll look at gm with fresh eyes tonight but I see an ISO pushing for deep analysis.

[Snork]

I'll look at gm with fresh eyes tonight but I see an ISO pushing for deep analysis

and not giving any of her own

.

FTFY.

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT

GreyICE (1): goodmorning

I am not at my desktop, which is where my vote count file is at. If you notice any mistakes, please speak up.

I am voting ika, not Grey.

But I think you're putting too much weight on scumhunting right now. This is p6 in a game where only half the players have posted much more than "hi." There's only so much that can be done with that.

Also, really? And I'm supposed to think this is town?

You're welcome to think whatever you want of it, but lurking isn't alignment-indicative and neither is a failure to scumhunt in certain conditions.

Hello Titus. Ready for the inevitable?
Summary: reinoe is Townflailing. Many people are being useless.

Does your plan include an auto assumption I am town. U sure are talking like it.

VOTE: ika

Epiphany: Titus is Town???????? WHAT

Many policy lynches are suggested on pg 1. That doesn't make them serious suggestions.

Whether it's a serious suggestion matters less than the fact that the suggestion was made.

Ladies and gentlemen, I've found the first scum. This exactly the opposite logic town should have. Plus arguing semantics and refusing to look at the bigger picture in order to push an agenda. And ika is pretty obvtown so far.

Alright. I'll bite. What would Town have said there, in your opinion? Why do you seem to think that me finding policy lynch suggestions scummy independent of seriousness is a semantic issue? What bigger picture and why are you so sure you've got the clear view?

And ika is most certainly not "pretty obvTown."

Yess.. this is a good post. He's offering his reasoning from his scum game in hopes that it would help find scum here. The reasoning itself is irrelevant.

The context is less relevant than this: do you think people never bring in Scum experience as Scum? That they only do it as Town?

I'm finding your conclusions pretty shallow/simplistic.


Same goes for your "I'm at page 7" post.

GM ... useful

ilu titus

Tomorrow morning, content!

This is an example of what I like about gm.

[Antihero]

only going to summarize since i gotta' go each lunch.... sometime.

a read of her iso will reveal that there's... not. really. that. much. there. the day 2 starts in her iso post 22 but we don't get a vote untiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil post 44. what happened in the 22 posts in between?

a whole lotta' nothing. she was going to do ISOs, but that crapped out after a bunch of nullreads (mostly) on players who were useless to begin with. the sorting of titus and i is really slowgoing and the thought processes there are incredibly opaque.

i guess what bothers me most is that she's angling for Jingle now, but i don't remember her voting shroomish. she makes a lot of anti-shroomish posts, but she's nowhere to be found in the place it matters: the vote.

and and who else is she suspecting? burning earth (for... i don't know what reason) and ... maybe guy (for... i don't know the reasoning here either).

are there townreads at play here? are there people she wouldn't lynch? what exactly are her thoughts on the gamestate besides "yeah, what pants said, let's lynch jingle"?

i have no goddamn idea so it's either not there or i'm too goddamn stupid to figure it out.

[Antihero]

I'll look at gm with fresh eyes tonight but I see an ISO pushing for deep analysis.

are you kidding?

where?

[Snork]

So... asking questions and promising content is pro-town to you? You realize that she didn't give any of her own opinions about the posts she quoted, other than to make some throw-away comment about how it's "shallow/simplistic", and not explaining why she thinks so or what it means to her.

[Snork]

And actually yeah, I don't remember any strong town reads from her at all, now that it's mentioned.

[Antihero]

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Same goes for your "I'm at page 7" post.

GM ... useful

ilu titus

Tomorrow morning, content!

This is an example of what I like about gm.

are you mesmerized by the picture...?
is that what you're talking about? that's not deep analysis.

plus this was on page 9. talk's cheap then.

[Titus]

The post I just quoted.

The questions people ask are content fmpov. Questions are relevant if they help you understand the witness's answers. The socratic method is king at this.

[Titus]

Tomorrow morning content was sarcastic guys...

[Antihero]

any schmuck can ask for content

it's what you do with the answers. where's that?

[Titus]

For instance, I threw a lot of questions at Anti during our tunnel fight. Those questions helped people understand me and him. No one questions they were content.

[Titus]

But it does beg the question: if you were so concerned about it then why'd you ask me to vote him?

And also bubba's question, if you please.

What do you mean?

I wanted Pants to notice that I'd asked a question, answer it, and answer yours too.

GM, glad you love me but take that out of play. You've replaced into a scumslot of mine previously and know what I can do. Why so happy when I just basically said you would be useful if town?

Haha, I don't often get called useful. Indeed, I might go so far as to say that occasionally I can be quite useless. Like those times I TvT tunneled into the ground, or those times I fucked up in LyLo.

As for knowing what you can do: Of course. But thus far you're making a lot of sense to me and I'd like to not scumread Town-you for the fifteenth time. So I'm gonna chill out a bit and ignore my gut.

If you're town, then ika and Grey Ice look bad for seeking an early hammer on town and are probably scum.

I'm not sure I see Grey sticking his neck out so far as Scum.
Then again, the rest of his play this game's been a bit lynchworthy, so...

WTF SSK

WTF

Followup to 211.

[Snork]

The post I just quoted.

The questions people ask are content fmpov. Questions are relevant if they help you understand the witness's answers. The socratic method is king at this.

Mk. Show me the critical thinking and conclusions obtained from the answers to those questions.

[Titus]

And actually yeah, I don't remember any strong town reads from her at all, now that it's mentioned.

Reinoe was a strong townread. I am a strong townread of hers I believe.

[Snork]

Titus... that post contains ZERO commitment to any reads. The closest she comes there is calling Grey maybe scum and then saying he's maybe not. I feel like.. I feel like you're shitting me on purpose.

[Snork]

Are you for serious... do you not remember any of why I was suspected on D2? For uh... defending Reinoe? Except I backed it up with fucking facts and analysis and gm was just sitting on the sidelines going "ehhhhhh"