Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[Wickedestjr]

I am finally done catching up. Apologies again for the long vla- last week was a nightmare.

I have work to do now, but I intend to post some responses/thoughts tonight

when there are five more pages to be behind on

. Hopefully I can compensates for my absence.

[Wickedestjr]

*compensate

[Titus]

Sticking to my guns and saying that I actually don't like the Marquis wagon because I didn't like the Doduo wagon, as it was just painting Doduo as a liability, and then the interaction between mollie/majiffy and then mastin/majiffy, and now GG/titus are so weird, the way the interactions have gone it's like they read each other as scum a lot.

Actually I take back what I said about needing a flip, while I want that, I just want more people to participate.

Titus, if you thought LC was town while Majiffy wasn't, you're sitting back and not taking a stand because "your townreads see something in LC that you don't." For you, it should still be "good lynch" vs. "bad lynch (not my scumread)."

Also, asking someone to just pick 4 out of a small group for the remaining scum, that list doesn't even coincide with your previous reads.

LC isn't a bad lynch. It just isn't the best lynch. I am not going to force my rwads until confident. Don't care..you can suck it.

Those reads were consistent with my reads at the time for the most part. I would like you to do it.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

lol

[Titus]

You are right on Marquis town though.

[Titus]

limited vla house offer accepted

[PeregrineV]

Checking in.

[PeregrineV]

7 pages back. catching up.

[Marquis]

my earlier beetlejuice comment referred to beastcharizard who only seems to post lately when he is mentioned and is actively lurking

is there any reason why we shouldn't lynch beast?? ("because he's town" is not a valid answer)

[Titus]

Because we have an epically stalled wagon with lots of town on it?

Make your beast case. If I was to move, it'd be to Jiffy though.

[Marquis]

801 and 805 are perfectly good cases against beast

[Marquis]

and contrast those with 1323, where he forgets that he's not supposed to know i'm town

[Snork]

and contrast those with 1323, where he forgets that he's not supposed to know i'm town

I'm confused. He doesn't mention you in there... did you mean a different one?

[Guilty Gunsmith]

and contrast those with 1323, where he forgets that he's not supposed to know i'm town

I'm confused. He doesn't mention you in there... did you mean a different one?

I'm sorry. I'm really really sorry. I'm unbookmarking this from my main.

Snork

[Marquis]

Active Compounds:

Marquis

Doduo (notscience + Marquis)

[Marquis]

for some reason i just really dislike posts that ask a bunch of analysis-related questions because it feels as if nothing ever comes of those

@mod sub doduo -> marquis. maybe at least until ns gets back idk

Marquis told me she thinks computers run on magical fairy dust.

Also, noted.

in case the fine print is too hard to read

[Guilty Gunsmith]

Oh wow. My bad.

Alright. I think AP and I would go for a beast lynch but at this point, I can't even believe it's still D1.

[Majiffy]

I agree. We should be lynching Titus.

[Marquis]

i would hop off of the lying cat wagon now to pursue beast if i didn't think certain players would go "no already-established One True Wagon to follow today? time to break out more walls and push for unviable lynches"

[Wickedestjr]

I think Mastin/Majiffy is t v s or s v s. They didn't quarrel like this in house party ever and they were both town.

How confident were you, at the time of this comment, on a scale of 1 to 10?

@Wicked, I'm about a 7 out of 10 confidence level on that. Tonal shifts don't happen overnight.

So you are fairly confident that one or two of the two players in question are scum. In a game where ~24% of the players are scum, why are you not pursuing the one (or two) out of two option? That seems like a good chance of catching scum on day 1. Never in a mafia game have I ever called an exchange t v s, so maybe I just misunderstand your perspective here, but I am curious as to why you have not pursued a Majiffy or mastin2 lynch. Reskimming through your iso, it seems that you have done little to strengthen your reads on them.

You have established that you think Majiffy is more likely to be scum than mastin2 and even proposed a scum team of majiffy/vezok/gs/saki earlier. However, your only two votes since taking these stances have been for Vezok and Lying Cat. The Vezok vote had zero support IIRC and the Lying Cat vote was never really explained AFAICS. Almost like you are avoiding voting for Majiffy, but I cannot figure out exactly why. Are you and Majiffy scum together? That might explain the initial t v s or s v s read in question (i.e. if you knew Majiffy was scum and it couldn't be t v t).

[Wickedestjr]

for some reason i just really dislike posts that ask a bunch of analysis-related questions because it feels as if nothing ever comes of those

Sometimes they provide nothing helpful, but they help me often enough that it is worth it. Catching up on 25-30 pages in a week will occasionally result in a post's worth of questions. That's how I play and it works well for me.

and contrast those with 1323, where he forgets that he's not supposed to know i'm town

Can you please explain what you mean by this? I have read post 1323 several times and I don't understand how you're drawing this conclusion.

[Wickedestjr]

I found an article that you wrote regarding VCA - you clearly said that scum typically divide and it is incredibly rare for scum members to all vote together. This seems to contradict your 'best guess' in this game. What gives?

The hell. How/when did you find that? Why?

I was around MS (and not on hiatus) at the time that mastin created the thread years ago. I thought I remembered skimming it around the time it was originally written, but I know that he has written many articles regarding mafia theory so there had to be one on VCA. In addition to that, I think mastin had displayed an interest in VCA in one of our past games together. Fast forward to present, I knew mastin had thoughts on VCA and I was curious if they agreed or contradicted his use of it here. So I searched topics created by mastin2 in the MD sub forum and saw no topic title with VCA in it. So I clicked on the topic, "Mastin's Guide to Scumhunting", general enough that I assumed it would reference VCA. Turns out it did reference VCA and there was a link to one of his old articles, the same article I believe I linked you to.

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP;

Speaking of mastin2's VCA, I have been thinking. mastin2's VCA seems like confirmation bias here, which bothers me, but I now realize it is not necessarily a scum tell. mastin2 just seems like the kind of player that, as town, naturally develops her initial 'strong reads' and then tries to base everything off of those reads, rarely turning back. In the game I linked she called me scum and found a way to suspect almost every later post of mine. In another game she correctly pinned a player as scum and correctly assumed I was town solely because of my interactions with said player. Does anyone see what I mean or agree with this? And does anyone think that she does that as scum also? I'll eventually check for myself but mostly everyone here has played with mastin2 IIRC.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

I agree.

We should be lynching Titus.

Because we have an epically stalled wagon with lots of town on it?

Make your beast case.

If I was to move, it'd be to Jiffy though.

this doesn't feel t v t at all

[Antihero]

I'll give you a VCA and see who needs prodding in a second...