Tales of You (Endgame)

[Cabd]

~Game is certified to have no bastard elements

~Setup, as in previous tales games, may contain false leads, red herrings, and downright weird roles

~In fact, just assume me doing a trollface whenever people claim

This was in the signups thread for a reason, folks...

[AngryPidgeon]

So many of my favorite people to play mafia with in this game. I dunno why it became so dysfunctional.

On Day 2 things were looking extremely grim for scum so I took a lot of efforts to try and break up any meaningful communication. So I guess I can claim some responsibility for this?

[Katsuki]

gg scum.

This town. I dunno man. To the extent I sheeped, which most notably by taking JSU's AP read over my own, but not the only instance, I was wrong not to follow my own reads.

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

Do you not get that Desp and I had information that directly conflicted with your claim.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?

OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

False. Role information always trumps everything, since one of those things is far more frequently wrong than the other.

Unless you want to contest that any player has reads that are more accurate than the rate at which godfathers exist in closed setups.

LOL
GODFATHERS ARE COMMON

YOU FAILED TO DISSECT AP'S CLAIM
IT SCREAMED SCUM FAKECLAIM WITH 349573489574 LOOPHOLES BUILT IN

THEN HIS PLAY
AND NACHOS PLAY
AND PA'S PLAY

THERE HAVE BEEN PLAYERS THAT HAVE IGNORED THEIR OWN GODFATHER INNOCENTS BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE AND LYNCHED CORRECTLY REGARDLESS
ROLE INFORMATION IS NEVER 100% CONFIRMATION

[mastin2]

Man you remember that game where the scumteam just mislynched the player scumreading them instead of nightkilling them?

Oh, that was literally this entire game? Oh, okay then.

THIS.
FUCKING THIS.

It's explained quite a bit in the dead PT, but really, REALLY look at things.
Imagine switching the Rancid vig and Mara/orc lynch.

Then you get Rancid...
-Dead via lynch after calling the whole scumteam out.

...And LG...
-Who was also on the right track.

...And myself...
-Dead via lynch when I had AP and Nacho correctly nailed hardcore, and before Nacho revealed himself, had been honing in on Fox/Hound and PA.

...And Katsuki...
-Who just quoted proof of having had all scum in sight.

...And RG...
-Who correctly pinned Fox/Hound and was on their way to correctly pinning everyone else.

Every. damn. mislynch.
EVERY GODDAMNED MISLYNCH.
Had a MINIMUM of one scum pegged, if not two, or more.

[Katsuki]

So many of my favorite people to play mafia with in this game. I dunno why it became so dysfunctional.

On Day 2 things were looking extremely grim for scum so I took a lot of efforts to try and break up any meaningful communication. So I guess I can claim some responsibility for this?

How was it grim/what happened? I didn't read anything from D2.

[fferyllt]

I think so.

"takeaways"

[fferyllt]

^^ to AP

[Katsuki]

Q fucking Q.

Town was stacked with power coming out its ass.

Cf actually had mod confirmation that I lied about my role and didnt out it so I feel zero shame.

yeah but
player-wise
scum was stronger.

It so happened that the scumteam got all the good BS'ers, and town were all the waffly type.

Muffin going down early hurt too.

[AngryPidgeon]

Subject: Tales of You (Pick) Scum thread

Mastin is... so unbelievably town.

FTR, this^
--

Day 2 looked bad for scum because the number of mislynchable people was really really low. No one on the scum team was really out of the question for a lynch and several town players had banded together to make it very difficult to actually mislynch someone aggressively. Mastin was the only town player that was reasonable to swing on that Day so I let it happen.

[zMuffinMan]

Never fakeclaim miller as town again. Shit on me all you want for being off this game, you made an objectively wrong play that necessitated your death

no, no it didn't. you and F16 and PV (who cabd saw fit to make a vig) were the only ones thinking this at the end of D1 iirc

but thank you for the sage advice, would never have realised it was suboptimal play to fake-claim hated miller when we weren't actually a hated miller and i will take this advice on board with me in the future (even though it was fairly obvious that our actions would not have come from scum - least of all because, duh, if we were fake-claiming miller, we'd either go balls deep and continue the fake-claim after the counter-claim, or retract it immediately, not fucking both)

(and this doesn't explain why you spent the entirety of D1 defending scum from me because the reveal happened at the end of the day)

[Katsuki]

Hey muffin you wanna write nomination post or me?

[fferyllt]

I thought scum were going to try to get me/us lynched on day 2. I could feel the wheels turning.

[BROseidon]

gg scum.

This town. I dunno man. To the extent I sheeped, which most notably by taking JSU's AP read over my own, but not the only instance, I was wrong not to follow my own reads.

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

Do you not get that Desp and I had information that directly conflicted with your claim.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?

OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

False. Role information always trumps everything, since one of those things is far more frequently wrong than the other.

Unless you want to contest that any player has reads that are more accurate than the rate at which godfathers exist in closed setups.

LOL
GODFATHERS ARE COMMON

YOU FAILED TO DISSECT AP'S CLAIM
IT SCREAMED SCUM FAKECLAIM WITH 349573489574 LOOPHOLES BUILT IN

THEN HIS PLAY
AND NACHOS PLAY
AND PA'S PLAY

THERE HAVE BEEN PLAYERS THAT HAVE IGNORED THEIR OWN GODFATHER INNOCENTS BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE AND LYNCHED CORRECTLY REGARDLESS
ROLE INFORMATION IS NEVER 100% CONFIRMATION

Even if I assumed that there was a godfather in this game, the odds of me hitting it, given a town result, were 1/13. Do I really need to walk through the math here?

pedit: Yeah, my reads early this game sucked. It happens. Move on.

[Katsuki]

Subject: Tales of You (Pick) Scum thread

Mastin is... so unbelievably town.

FTR, this^
--

Day 2 looked bad for scum because the number of mislynchable people was really really low. No one on the scum team was really out of the question for a lynch and several town players had banded together to make it very difficult to actually mislynch someone aggressively. Mastin was the only town player that was reasonable to swing on that Day so I let it happen.

"This town is indecisive. It has no leaders. Also all the noise coming from mastin and some others is causing apathy.

This game is a shoo-in for scum right now. I swear to god."

I'm sure these words seem familiar.

[mastin2]

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?
OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

Also this.

AP was relishing.
RELISHING.
In that innocent.
Abusing it for all its fucking worth.

Because you

let

him do so.

Why the gods' fucking hell didn't the thought cross your mind that your continued survival was because you were giving the scum what they needed?

Blindly trusting a result is JUST as much of a fucking mistake as carelessly discarding it.

Cf actually had mod confirmation that I lied about my role and didnt out it so I feel zero shame.

Also this.

DARK FUCKING SIDE, F-16.
DARK. FUCKING. SIDE.

On Day 2 things were looking extremely grim for scum so I took a lot of efforts to try and break up any meaningful communication. So I guess I can claim some responsibility for this?

There was also this.

I

told

you AP was being scum.
I also explained

exactly

why Nacho was doing what he did as scum.

[Katsuki]

OR YOU COULD'VE JUST FOLLOWED ME D3

Do you not get that Desp and I had information that directly conflicted with your claim.

DO YOU NOT GET THAT READS > ROLE INFORMATION?

OR THAT NO ROLE INFORMATION COULD POSSIBLY OVERRIDE HOW SCUMMILY FAKE AP'S FAKECLAIM WAS?

False. Role information always trumps everything, since one of those things is far more frequently wrong than the other.

Unless you want to contest that any player has reads that are more accurate than the rate at which godfathers exist in closed setups.

LOL
GODFATHERS ARE COMMON

YOU FAILED TO DISSECT AP'S CLAIM
IT SCREAMED SCUM FAKECLAIM WITH 349573489574 LOOPHOLES BUILT IN

THEN HIS PLAY
AND NACHOS PLAY
AND PA'S PLAY

THERE HAVE BEEN PLAYERS THAT HAVE IGNORED THEIR OWN GODFATHER INNOCENTS BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE AND LYNCHED CORRECTLY REGARDLESS
ROLE INFORMATION IS NEVER 100% CONFIRMATION

Even if I assumed that there was a godfather in this game, the odds of me hitting it, given a town result, were 1/13. Do I really need to walk through the math here?

pedit: Yeah, my reads early this game sucked. It happens. Move on.

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE MATH

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU FAILED TO EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU BEING WRONG

[BROseidon]

...This entire game is an exercise in decision making based on assumptions and probabilistic outcomes. Mafia is built on math

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought scum were going to try to get me/us lynched on day 2. I could feel the wheels turning.

After I scum slipped about my role on D2, I was going to just backseat drive. Especially since you, Tammy, CF, JSU and also sort of (Katsuki, Orci) were just untouchable that Day.

The mastin lynch was really pro-scum so I just sort of token opposed it and kept trying to make it look good by smearing CF.

[Katsuki]

...This entire game is an exercise in decision making based on assumptions and probabilistic outcomes. Mafia is built on math

No wonder you're always wrong and throwing games.

[zMuffinMan]

early

this game

i bolded the incorrect word

i found it rather hilarious that, true to your name, all scum had to do this game to get a free win was... sheep you guys

[BROseidon]

...This entire game is an exercise in decision making based on assumptions and probabilistic outcomes. Mafia is built on math

No wonder you're always wrong and throwing games.

You realize that I win more than I lose, right?

pedit: muffin, you realize that Desp and I had 2/3 pegged at the end, right?

[BROseidon]

Oh wait, you're both vitriolic, toxic assholes who can't do anything but be asshats constantly, and make this game unfun for everyone.

[Cabd]

Can we not try to kill each other in postgame, please? I've sorta let the janitorial contract slip.

[zMuffinMan]

see i wouldn't actually be making fun of you for bad reads, bro, except you were cocky enough to think your reads were the most amazing thing since sliced bread, and said so multiple times in game, so the sweet, sweet irony that all scum had to do was sheep you to victory makes it that much funnier

and yes, kudos on getting 2/3 pegged at end game

[zMuffinMan]

i'm guessing those are 2/3 of the ones i pegged day one