Tales of You (Endgame)

[BROseidon]

Can we not try to kill each other in postgame, please? I've sorta let the janitorial contract slip.

Then tell katsuki and muffin to back off instead of getting annoyed at me for retaliating in a relatively civil manner.

[mastin2]

GODFATHERS ARE COMMON

YOU FAILED TO DISSECT AP'S CLAIM
IT SCREAMED SCUM FAKECLAIM WITH 349573489574 LOOPHOLES BUILT IN

THEN HIS PLAY
AND NACHOS PLAY
AND PA'S PLAY

ROLE INFORMATION IS NEVER 100% CONFIRMATION

Basically, this.
It's arguably more negligent to blindly trust a result than it is to blindly discard it. (Though, ironically enough, we had both happen from different halves of the surviving neighborhood: JSU blindly trusting the inno, and F-16 carelessly discarding the guilty.)

And Tammy?
If you read near the end of the PT, you'll see that they told you what the VCA meant.
Basically on every fucking town wagon.
There were the same fucking unconfirmed players...all of which (aside from JSU) were scum.

Subject: Tales of You (Pick) Scum thread

Mastin is... so unbelievably town.

FTR, this^

Damn straight.

I literally couldn't have been more obvtown if I tried.

A common trend in my towngames these days, it seems.

[AngryPidgeon]

I keep forgetting Foxhound almost got lynched on D1.

[Katsuki]

see i wouldn't actually be making fun of you for bad reads, bro, except you were cocky enough to think your reads were the most amazing thing since sliced bread, and said so multiple times in game, so the sweet, sweet irony that all scum had to do was sheep you to victory makes it that much funnier

and yes, kudos on getting 2/3 pegged at end game

hey man 66% accuracy is very hard when random chance to hit scum is 50%.

[Katsuki]

I'm amused that as a vig, you thought I'd shoot RBD over you, AP.

[AngryPidgeon]

I want to know who LB guessed each night to get back in the game.

P-edit: You seemed to mostly be apathetic about me on D1? I can't remember lol. You said something on D2 about how mastin better flip scum or shit was going to go down that made me think you were going to vig me N2.

[Cabd]

I want to know who LB guessed each night to get back in the game.

That's linked under the master links index a pagetop or two ago.

[Katsuki]

You were confused scum D1 as to why I wasn't a viable mislynch target.

I'm still bitter about being excluded from the neighbourhoods.

[Tammy]

My total faith in you to penguin in the neighborhood had nothing to do with her alignment and me having faith in her ability to flirt to get what she wanted :/

[Oversoul]

The antiblocker sounds like poor design :\
Same with AP's fakeclaim

Were there any role PMs?

[Cabd]

AP's fakeclaim

AP's fakeclaim is not a mod given fakeclaim.

[Tammy]

I thought scum were going to try to get me/us lynched on day 2. I could feel the wheels turning.

I would have thrown a fit.

[Cabd]

I'll dig out the role PMs later when I'm feeling less lazy. I didn't recompile them anywhere so I'd have to root them out of my sent box since the computer that they were designed on no longer is with us.

[mastin2]

pedit: Yeah, my reads early this game sucked. It happens. Move on.

Early?

When did they not suck, BRO?

Serious question.

You were on basically every fucking town mislynch.

You defended scum throughout the whole damn game.

There's a reason zMuffinman and Katsuki were calling you Don Corelone of this game.

No town player did more damage than you did.

And I told you about this trait on day one, even. I warned you that you were repeating House Party, only worse.

The mastin lynch was really pro-scum so I just sort of token opposed it and kept trying to make it look good by smearing CF.

And I also called this out.

And explained exactly why Nacho/AP off the wagon were scum anyways.
There was literally NO worse lynch the town could have made that day.

pedit: muffin, you realize that Desp and I had 2/3 pegged at the end, right?

And yet instead of going after them the confirmed scum, you gambled on an AT BEST 50% shot which was...the wrong name.

Math your strongsuit, you say.

Where in the numbers does going after unconfirmed scum make more sense than going after confirmed scum?

see i wouldn't actually be making fun of you for bad reads, bro, except you were cocky enough to think your reads were the most amazing thing since sliced bread, and said so multiple times in game, so the sweet, sweet irony that all scum had to do was sheep you to victory makes it that much funnier

Also this.

BROseidon.

Bluntly.

This is not the first game you've fucked up.

Saying that you win more games than you lose does not fucking make you immune to having fucked up in the games you lose. Because...fucking up in games you lose, and thinking it was just that game you fucked up, will ensure you fuck up many more games to come, because you keep on making the same fucking mistake. "It was just this game." Except no it fucking isn't.

[BROseidon]

And yet instead of going after them the confirmed scum, you gambled on an AT BEST 50% shot which was...the wrong name.

Math your strongsuit, you say.

Where in the numbers does going after unconfirmed scum make more sense than going after confirmed scum?

Who was confirmed scum?

[BROseidon]

And yes, I admitted to having a bad game. It happens. Look for the takeaways and move on.

[BROseidon]

The point I'm trying to make is, there's no need to be an asshat to someone for being a bad game. If this were League, and I'd had a bad game and fed, and Muffin/Katsuki and maybe you treated me the way you've treated me here, you'd all be reported, and your behavior would ultimately get punished. Because it's toxic behavior.

People have bad games. Nobody's immune from it. You try to figure out what went wrong and move on. You don't be an asshat to other people.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, I <3 you, but you're posting like a cheeky scumfuck now that I'm gone, and the Yggdra kill is SO your MO.

Heh. I think Nacho wanted it more? But ya it was an objectively good kill.

I told you all about mastin.

Yeah, well, you're probably scum, so...

. I did though. I was being mostly honest there .

based on reads I'd say AP, penguin, fox and hound + a 4th and idk who it is

: O

[AngryPidgeon]

The antiblocker sounds like poor design :\
Same with AP's fakeclaim

My fake claim was 100% my own.

[mastin2]

I keep forgetting Foxhound almost got lynched on D1.

Which, again, was largely my doing.

I had Fox/Hound.
I had you.
On D1.

I had Clyton at the beginning of D2. (He then proceeded to post more town things.)
Had I had the chance to see more of PA, I would have had her anyway. (But, y'know. I got lynched before I could.)

And Nacho revealed himself, very obviously, on D2.

I might get distracted with emotions.
I might end up waffling a lot.
But when I'm obvtown.
And when I am on the ball.
When I'm not apathetic.

It's generally a good idea to listen to me.
I won't get things perfectly.
But my reads aren't something that should be discarded.
They're something that should be augmented and analyzed and found to have the strengths (which're near-certainly right) and the weaknesses (which're fairly-decently-probable to be wrong), and proceed from there.

Doing so would have revealed basically the entire scumteam.
My case for Fox/Hound being scum was solid; my opinion on Fox/Hound being town was shaky.
My case on Clyton being scum was solid; my opinion on PA being town was shaky and emotional.
My case on AP being scum was as solid as a case on AP being scum could have been; BROseidon's erroneous defense of him was shaky.
My feeling on Nacho being town was shaky; my case on him being scum was rock-solid.

No, seriously. You can read my iso and see all of that.
And it's not just on the scumteam.
My early attacks on Tammy and F-16 were okay, but not great; my later defense of both were iron-solid.
My defense of Rancid the entire game was entirely solid; the attacks against him were fairly superficial. (Seriously, nobody bothered to think of the mindset of claiming, then retracted much later down the line; I correctly pointed out that scum would have stuck through with it and that the retraction was town.)
My feelings about PV being scum were weak, but my (mostly posthumous) reasons for having him as town were very strong.
My reasons for RG being town were VERY strong, and my paranoia about them being scum was emotionally-driven weakness.
My reasons for having Beliffery as scum were not compelling, but my reasons for having them as town after our exchange were incredibly strong.

You can look at basically every single player in the game and see my thoughts on them and realize that was true.
If people had been working with me rather than trying to mislynch me, they would have been able to reason those through, because here I was stuck on my own without their help.

Blindly sheeping me's a bad idea.
Blindly discarding me's even worse of one.

[pieguyn]

I admit I fucked up big time but at least let me take solace in this one thing

you all killing me was inadvertently a godsend for you. I was gonna deathtunnel the shit out of AP just like I did with mastin D2. AP was so scum I actually assumed he was a godfather when the inno came up (or JSU being scum with him) as opposed to him being town and I probably could have got AP lynched over Katsuki cause I would have been loud as fuck about it too. I literally could not figure out who the scum would be if AP was town. and then after that, except for the Nacho read, my reads were actually ok

my plan was to step back and reevaluate D3 because I was like "hurrdurr there's no way I get NK'ed" - we had a modified JOAT that had to use all our abilities in order, but if we survived till D7 we got to use them all at once and get a dayvig shot - and then...... flakjsdhflaksjdf

gg all

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm definitely taking a shot for every time in thread or dead PT that mastin called me cheeky scum.

[fferyllt]

I'm definitely taking a shot for every time in thread or dead PT that mastin called me cheeky scum.

Alcohol poisoning isn't pretty.

[zMuffinMan]

The point I'm trying to make is, there's no need to be an asshat to someone for being a bad game

and the point i'm trying to make is no one would give two shits about your reads being bad if you weren't so fucking arrogant about being right

see: no one giving tammy shit for having equally bad reads.

[mastin2]

based on reads I'd say AP, penguin, fox and hound + a 4th and idk who it is

: O

Common trait of all dead town players is that we all basically knew the answer even without spoilers.

Who was confirmed scum?

The other two.

If you have in your mind a 50/50 shot between two players being scum.

But two players who are scum regardless.

You go for the players who are scum regardless.

I laid this out in the dead PT, to F-16 about why he should be going after PA or AP or even Fox/Hound by the numbers because that's what logic said he should have been doing.

People have bad games. Nobody's immune from it. You try to figure out what went wrong and move on.

The problem is, you keep making the same mistake over and over again while insisting you're not. So from my point of view? You haven't tried to figure out what went wrong, or if you did, have focused on entirely the wrong areas. Because it keeps on happening. Time and time again when you clash with me. You've got basically a 0% accuracy in reading me, when in most of those games, I was near the top of my game if not at THE top of my towngame, not only onto the scum but also being VERY obviously town by the commentaries of players who know me. Yet each time we play together, you still show that same arrogance in thinking this time, you've got me pinned down.

I'm the easiest example, but I imagine far from the only one.