Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

[Hoopla]

there's that "gonna be honest" again....

that's a really good tell.

[Not_Mafia]

@Juls. I understand that but your point about the change in reads was discounted but you continued to push it on a house of cards of "You're scum so the hydra dissonance is fake and scum motivated"

[Desperado]

Desperado. How do you feel about my opinion on Juls? Is it convincing?

not really. i'd be more convinced if you had information on what juls does with claims as town and scum. do you think you've assembled a representative sample that should be convincing?

[helium-3]

there's that "gonna be honest" again....

that's a really good tell.

how about this?

26 pages and only one town read? i'm calling bullshit.

it's buddying.

how's that for a tell?

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Going to sheep Juls onto Helium

Looks like a good wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Helium

I thought you were letting others proxy their vote to you.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Happy Scumday, Hoopla!

[Juls]

Desperado. How do you feel about my opinion on Juls? Is it convincing?

not really. i'd be more convinced if you had information on what juls does with claims as town and scum. do you think you've assembled a representative sample that should be convincing?

Good lord, I don't even know this information. I would be interested to know myself. Too long since I have paled to remember.

[Juls]

@Juls. I understand that but your point about the change in reads was discounted but you continued to push it on a house of cards of "You're scum so the hydra dissonance is fake and scum motivated"

This is not about dissonance, this is about the read change from mollie(?) as soon as I said when I flip town lynch helium

[Juls]

Hoopla, I'm likely not neighborizing you if that's what you are trying to do

[helium-3]

it hasn't been mollie all day, juls

i tend not to capitalize stuff and mollie tends to do "textspeak" sometimes (like using numbers for words; some1, etc...)

[Juls]

This was last night....

[Hoopla]

not really. i'd be more convinced if you had information on what juls does with claims as town and scum. do you think you've assembled a representative sample that should be convincing?

it feels like a pretty obvious pattern from what i've seen. it is a general pattern across the site, not for juls specifically, but i barely know anybody i am playing with, so essentially i will mostly be using generalised tells.

you and helium and whoever else don't know how i play either, so you'll have to be resorting to generalised tells too based on the other patterns you've seen. this shouldn't really discredit my belief about juls, because if it does, it essentially discredits anything else that isn't player specific.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, I'm likely not neighborizing you if that's what you are trying to do

i'm not. i'm just trying to work my way into the game. it's too big atm, so i'm sorta just clinging to what i believe the most and am gonna work my way from there.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

I played with Hoopla in a lurker festival (Open 548). Hoopla was scum.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Ergo, she's dangerous.

[Hoopla]

Oversoul is town for trying to defend himself with self-meta - he knows better not to do that as scum, and I think him trying to sleaze Juls into neighbourizing him for :town reasons: is unnecessarily overt, that I feel like he must have a reason for it. That's such an arbitrary and unnecessary play for scum, ergo it's probably town with some sort of purpose.

I believe Perpetual Nonsense's miller claim also. There is obviously some weirdness and creativity going on in this setup, and miller is a stereotypically sneaky mod role (bonus if there is no Cop too), and it's not like PN was claiming this once it was known the setup appears kinda goofy - he was first to claim, which points to truthfulness, as opposed to scum fakeclaiming and getting lucky that the role appears to fit setup-speculation-wise.

Desperado's claim happened straight after PN's. I don't doubt that this is his role. It looks like a fairly lucid, snap decision on Desp's part, most because it appears like he's claiming in reaction to the miller claim. In general, quicker decisions like that tend to be more town, as scum will generally take more time to calculate. Desp seems like the sort of player audacious enough to claim Encryptor as scum though, but that might just be unnecessarily paranoid. I lean townish on it.

[Hoopla]

Using the neighbor chat as their own hydra qt is pretty town.

I agree with this post also. Feu is highly likely to be town too. I believe both the Neighbourizers are town.

[Haylen]

PN, why does Hoopla being scum in a completed unrelated game make her dangerous?

I wouldn't call hydra dissonance town or scum, you've got two people playing as one. They are going to have their own opinions and their own arguments. They are going to clash every so often. It also depends on which role/alignment each person favours. There are too many confounding variables to consider this anything but null.

Why did the Neighbourizers claim so early and are we sure that this isn't an elaborate scum plot? One claim, one counterclaim, then neighbourize their buddies all game.

[Slice of Life]

PN, why does Hoopla being scum in a completed unrelated game make her dangerous?

I wouldn't call hydra dissonance town or scum, you've got two people playing as one. They are going to have their own opinions and their own arguments. They are going to clash every so often. It also depends on which role/alignment each person favours. There are too many confounding variables to consider this anything but null.

Why did the Neighbourizers claim so early and are we sure that this isn't an elaborate scum plot? One claim, one counterclaim, then neighbourize their buddies all game.

Loaf Slip

[Slice of Life]

Gut scum read on Slice of Life.

I realize that there's a decent number of people here who don't really have that much experience with me, so here, have this. It should help.

How To Read Mastin

:

Are you zMuffinman?

Yes-->Screw tells, you know mastin's alignment instantly.
No-->

Are you AngryPidgeon?

Yes-->Screw tells, you know mastin's alignment instantly.
No-->

Are you a player who has hydraed or has otherwise worked well with Mastin?

Yes-->You likely don't need the chart, but because you're not that familiar with her, you should probably go through it anyway as a precaution.
No-->You REALLY need to go through the chart; proceed! But fair warning in advance that it's only about 90% accurate.

THE FLOWCHART:

Does Mastin look town?

No-->She's town.
Yes-->Proceed to next step.

Trust her as town.

What does she do?

Get paranoid of you-->She's town.
Enthusiastically work with you-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Nothing-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Milk your townread and bully you-->Proceed.

Suddenly pressure her.

What does she do?

Freak out-->She's town.
Show concern, but subdued-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Brush it off-->Proceed.

Is she posting up a storm?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she gloating how good her scumgame is?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does Mastin have delusions of grandeur?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she waffling...
...A lot?

Yes-->She's town.
Sorta?-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does she look like she's trying to leave a legacy?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she antagonizing everyone?

Yes-->She's town.
No-->Proceed.

Has Mastin rambled at all on MD theory?

Yes-->She's town.
No-->Proceed.

If applicable, did she 'crumb her role and/or claim it openly and immediately?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Do the circumstances behind her play and/or claim look town?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she irrational?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she spewing random illogical theories?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does her posting look intentional?

No-->She's town.
Yes-->Proceed.

Is she spontaneous, random, and/or whimsical?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe?-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is her tone flat?

No-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Yes-->Proceed.

(BONUS:

If Mastin is behind, does she demonstrate knowledge of the

current

gamestate she could not reasonably have at her supposed point of reference?

No-->She's town.
It's hard to say...-->She probably does know, but not much, having likely skimmed offline, not logged in, and chose not to get the full context to spoiler her as probable-town.
Yes-->Proceed.)

And finally...

Is there minimal resistance to lynching her?

Yes-->She's town; defend her!
...Maybe?-->You've gotten this far and the best you've got is a "maybe"?!? You dummy, run through it again! (But she's probably town anyway.)-->All other factors equal, if you're having this much trouble reading Mastin, just freakin' assume she's town. (She likely is, anyway.)-->FOR THE LOVE OF GODS, SHE'S TOWN, DANG IT.
No-->She's probably scum...but you should run through the flowchart one more time just to be sure, as a precaution.

[Oversoul]

Going to sheep Juls onto Helium

Looks like a good wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Helium

^scum

>sits in the backseat being "confused" the whole game
>pawns off a shitty vote on Juls

hoopla / not_mafia / oversoul / SAD

So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?

[Slice of Life]

Hoopla, what do you make of Desp's encryptor claim and subsequent action.

I dunno. Feels like some weird setup shenanigans going on, so I'm inclined to leave the claims be, and work them out later.

I feel overwhelmed by this game already. Who is town? I'm basically willing to sheep someone and vote with them until I have any real opinions of my own. Someone speak up.

(That said, Hoopla's looking like scum for this.)

Oh, and just saying, Sleepy's VERY obviously town.

VOTE: Not_Mafia.

[helium-3]

So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?

considering neither you nor notmafia are voting us, that's a shitty argument and further highlights that you're scum

[helium-3]

yo mastin

the last discredit post was a scumclaim

you should have kept your vote

[helium-3]

So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?

also, since mollie and I are both independently hilariously easy reads, fuck yeah you better believe this wagon is scummier than the bottom of a fishtank