Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Jordan_Downey]

Claim: Polarity locker. We can target a player at the beginning of the night and they will not be able to change their polarity. I'm not sure how utility that is, but it specifically notes that it will not be blocked by polarity, and is a 'neutral shot.'

It is positive utility to have the town at a neutral polarity, or as close to a neutral alignment as possible. This gives us extra information we can use when solving for alignment. To this end, I suggest no one switch their alignment tonight.

[Jordan_Downey]

The mod clarified that the NK can be blocked by polarity, which implies to me that 1. The scum team is larger than it would normally be. 2. This game is multiball. 3. There are multiple killing roles.

In order to accurately get knowledge from the polarity mechanic, we need to get a claim from each lynch candidate at L-1 before the hammer.

[Jordan_Downey]

^ Alignment claim.

[Aegor]

I am having trouble following the reasoning here: how would staying neutral help when "solving for alignment" beyond being able to verify that someone lied about his polarity?

[Jordan_Downey]

EBWOTP: The implication is an or choice. The claim is a polarity based thing, which should be obvious. No one except the person who is actually getting lynched should claim polarity, to prevent the scum from having a guaranteed kill.

[Jordan_Downey]

I'm not willing to share the particulars unless I'm absolutely sure I'm getting lynched to prevent the scum from having a night phase to discuss how to get around it. Nice try though. I'll type it up and post it to the hydra QT. Aphix is usually on to post, so I doubt we'll be unable to post it before deadline.

[Jordan_Downey]

Aphix, the post is in the QT. Post it if we get hammered or if intent is stated after discussion happens.

[Jordan_Downey]

The mod would not confirm whether there were other neutral actions, as expected. He did say the night kill is based on polarity.

[Spring Starflower]

is that a town claim? will sheep largest wagon

[Saki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dry-fit

[Saki]

was that a ninja deadline extension or am i looking at the wrong vc

[Spring Starflower]

i see you posting around the site saki...

[Jordan_Downey]

We got a 3 day extension in 1261.

[Xayzeck]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dry-fit

Can't be scum with a claim like that methinks

[Bulbazak]

Field Polarity:

Neutral

Vote Count

Shiny Hydreigon (0):
Doublade (0):
Saki (0):
ZZZX (0):
PeregrineV (0):
Spring Starflower (1): ZZZX
Zdenek (0):
TiphaineDeath (0):
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Dry-fit (3): Doublade, Saki, Xayzeck
The Most Curious Thing (1): PeregrineV
Nachomamma8 (0):
TSO (1): Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK (1): Jon_h61
Thor665 (0):
Jon_h61 (1): Zdenek
Xayzeck (2): The Most Curious Thing, TiphaineDeath,
The Necromancers (0):
Fear (0):
Jordan_Downey (10): Shiny Hydreigon, RachMarie, Thor665, The Necromancers, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Spring Starflower, Dry-fit, MafiaSSK, TSO, Aegor
Aegor (1): Jordan_Downey
RachMarie (0):

Not Voting (1): Fear

It is day 1. With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday, June 18 at 2:00am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-18 02:00:00).

Looking for replacements for The Most Curious Thing and Nachomamma8.

[RachMarie]

VOTE: Dry fit

[RachMarie]

Thor, mara others join this wagon

[RachMarie]

with the catchup, Pere is starting to look more like his towny self.

Dry fits' responses to the claim by Jordan, however reeks of scumminess.

[Saki]

i see you posting around the site saki...

sowwy

[Jordan_Downey]

Spoiler: I Got Around to an Aegor Case!

i'm serious.

you don't get to join a game knowing full well there are hydras and then policy lynch.

we were first. replace out.

Your death is not mandated by your nature as a hydra.

I am not pushing for a policy lynch; that is your own incorrect inference.

"I want to lynch you for 'reasons.' This is not a policy lynch."

Alright Aegor I'll bite, why do you think Necro is scummy over Xay and Dry?

I think that the Necro hydra is more deserving of a lynch; that does not mean that I find it more scummy necessarily. I can believe player 1 is scummier than player 2 but still advocate for 2's lynch based on other factors, e.g. information generated by the lynch, general effect on the game, influence 2 has on other players, etc.

The hydra's posts in general are irrational, devoid of content, full of vague feelings, and extremely aggressive and defensive. One can verify this easily through an ISO.

Also why are Xay and dry scummy, in your own words.

I addressed dry in a post; ISO me and ask me again if you have questions or could not find my explanation.

Xay is gut. TBH, part of that is others' suspicions; had they not been expressed, I may not be subconsciously seeking some reason to find Xay's posts scummy. That read is definitely subject to change/solidification.

Necro is stated here as not being an alignment motivated lynch. This is by definition a policy lynch. There is no reason for Aegor to be pushing a policy lynch and refusing to call it as such. If he would have been honest about it, I would have taken this as a minor towntell. As it is, it shows a disturbing preoccupation with his own image in the thread that belongs to scum.

OK,

before

we went down the rabbit hole of bullshit with SKOT and Fear in the last few pages, where did any of this happen?

i'm going to completely disengage from aegor before i really do say something to him that gets me banned.

Chillax, man. You are more than welcome to point me in the direction of your probing scumhunting. I would expect a bountiful supply given the percentage of this thread that consists of your hydra's spam.

let me let you all in on something.

yes, i'm cranky. yes, i'm defensive. you know why? because the primary thing against us has been "no content" which is such a shitty accusation given our posting. and the most aggravating thing is that nobody is actually attempting to go to our posting and say "hey, these posts [link], [link], and [link] right here are scummy and you guys are scumfucks." the accusations have largely been "you guys suck, you're not posting content, you get in bad arguments. vote: necro" and that's it (see: fear's vote in post 390)

since there's no real substance, there's no argument to be made. the only thing i can do is go "nuh uh". and then everyone comes into the thread and wonders

why

my blood pressure shoots through the roof whenever i post in this thread.

Again, the easy counter is by pointing to the actual substance your hydra has provided. Maybe I missed it: although I have read the thread, there is a large amount of content produced each 20 mins, it seems.

Hypocrisy at its finest. I stand by hypocrisy in scumhunting as a scumtell. Further, he's not putting forward any reasons that mastinhero is a scumslot, and addresses them as if they're town, but is still voting them.

Is anyone strongly townreading Dry-Fit?

This type of post always pings my scumdar pretty hard. This is sounding out support for a lynch without committing to it. He's leaving his options open, not commiting to anything.

Not liking Aegor's push on me. He ust says my posts are bad but

doesn't give any reason to think they're scum motivated

.

Motivation is not always relevant to whether something is scummy.

This is insane. Scumhunting is all about motivation. The difference between scum and town is motivation. Aegor here is slipping and demonstrating that he's not scumhunting, but trying to portray things as scummy.

I am also completely aware of the fact that, Mastin's stance on Talah is strong enough so that, arguing against it is probably futile, leaving her alive long enough will pretty much be a huge distraction to mastin, and him flipping town would probably serve as a strong enough catalyst in making a hard-reset D2 which will probably make mastin that much more useful as town

I hope you are aware of how terrible this reasoning is. First, it assumes that mastin is town. Second, you are essentially advocating lynching a player who may be town so that another obsessive player may be useful in the future. Really?

Hypocrisy on the PL front. Further, Aegor is expressing that he doesn't see Shiny's purpose here, but he also doesn't follow through. There's no evolution of reads from this. He doesn't push Shiny to figure out why they're thinking the way they are. He clearly has an opportunity to push and develop reads here, and he doesn't even try.

Uhh... no? I take it you aren't a very guts/emotive/relationship type of player, because if you were you would know the difficulty behind making reads on players with said relationship, and how unlikely it is for a read on them to be change

Translation into English please?

VOTE: Necro if I am not already.

There is no reason here for SH's post to solidify his Necro read. He is already voting Necro, but clearly is not paying enough attention to his only tool in scumhunting to be able to know that he's voting for the lynch he's been pushing literally all day. He also continues to fail to give a good reason for his vote.

Non-voters, (please) vote. No one is in danger of a lynch, so there really is no reason not to be voting someone.

An empty call to action to the town. This is scum pretending to contribute.

VOTE: MafiaSSK

VOTE: Xayzeck

Here he is putting his vote wherever the fuck he thinks is more likely than his own lynch. He's not looking for scum, he's looking to live. This is not a town posting style.

VOTE: Jordan

The Aegor haters still have three days to mobilize.

And here, where he jumps onto us again, he still manages to show that his priority and thoughts are still revolving around himself. Where town is looking around them for scum, Aegor is looking at himself and saying "How can I not get lynched today?"

The above is why I think Aegor is the best lynch today. SKOT is also pretty good from where I stand.

[Jordan_Downey]

Hey Thor, I love your beard. It's all bushy and Smurphtastic. Now why do you seem so different this game from when I played with you last time?

[Jordan_Downey]

Oh, also, the last 2 hours or so of posting has been Jingle. I might start being a lurksack again. I'm not sure.

[Jordan_Downey]

I have no interest in doing analysis on your scumplay for you, Jordan, I've clearly said I want to lynch Xayzeck over you. If you can fool me, I think you're good at scum, and you did in that game.

Go ahead and claim if you're a PR so we can restart Xayzeck.

Okay, so if T S O doesn't want to take a guess at it. Anyone know the easy way scum looks like town in a MULTIBALL setup?

APHIX

[Jordan_Downey]

Is it because everyone looks like town next to RM. Because everyone looks like town next to RM.

[Bulbazak]

Bump.